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Sources: US weapons stolen in Libya raids, fueling Special Forces pull-out
Fox News ^ | September 11, 2013 | Adam Housley

Posted on 09/11/2013 1:24:51 PM PDT by don-o

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1 posted on 09/11/2013 1:24:51 PM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Just great.

I’m sure the syrian ‘alqaeda’ ‘rebels’ will be greatly appreciative though!


2 posted on 09/11/2013 1:26:12 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: don-o
"This stuff is how we win wars. The enemy doesn't have that," one source said.

Errrrrrr, until now.

3 posted on 09/11/2013 1:26:44 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: don-o

I’m sure they were “stolen”.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 1:29:51 PM PDT by Lent
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To: don-o
"This stuff is how we win wars. The enemy doesn't have that," one source said.

Well, they do now!

5 posted on 09/11/2013 1:31:32 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Henceforth, the Office of the President shall be known as IMPOTUS)
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To: don-o
M-4's, optics, BIG DEAL. A smart DIVERSION, with a little juice slathered on, nice.

The REAL issue is the MANPADS --THAT is what to prevent you from focusing on.

400 were stolen on 9-11 but the total load was 21,000 of which 5,000 were non-servicable and destroyed.

That leaves 15,600 MANPADS, some of which transited Bengazi prior to 9-11.

They were mostly SA-7's --old and very vulnerable to such simple countermeasures as flares. BELOW:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Sa-7.jpg

Also with the SA-7 featured above the target must be silhouetted against bare sky for the seeker to "see" the target. So if I'm a hilltop rebel trying to fire on a helicopter approaching from low in a valley using the SA-7 Grail, then forget it, the missile sees nothing, since there is a mountain behind him.

But After Reagan's air attack against Khadaffi (much later it turned out his daughter was not killed in the raid, as he'd claimed for many years), Khadaffi imported newer Soviet AA missiles, also, like the SA-24 Grinch, below, and THIS is the real problem:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j5TUVPrTpqA/Tmh48bS0bOI/AAAAAAAAAXM/T2e2iOPYRrw/s400/SA-24_Grinch_9K338_Igla-S_portable_air_defense_missile_system_Libya_Libyan_army_001.jpg

It flies at Mach 2, reaches up above 10,000 feet, and the aircraft needn't be seen against empty sky for targeting. Also the Grinch needn't score a physical hit for detonation --it also comes equipped with proximity fusing, so if senses an impending bypass, it will still trigger. Also if there is remaining fuel, this, too, will be blown in the explosion as a kicker. Even with jamming and flares, about one in four Grinches will score a hit, generally.

What type of success might it get against commercial aircraft in their current form...? The Obama Admin does NOT want to talk about this at all.

The Libyan smugging was a WH/JSOC op, which means VJ BHO Hillary and John Brennan giving orders to a bunch of really secret squirrels who don't ask questions and won't squeal.

They killed some people who got mad, got outside help and fought back, zapping our four guys.

6 posted on 09/11/2013 1:33:09 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: don-o
"stolen" GIVEN!
7 posted on 09/11/2013 1:35:54 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: don-o
(from the article): "This stuff is how we win wars. The enemy doesn't have that," one source said."

Well , they didn't used to have it
..but they have it now !(laser , night vision,arms, etc. )

8 posted on 09/11/2013 1:37:09 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Lent

...they were found before they were lost.


9 posted on 09/11/2013 1:37:32 PM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: don-o

More like they wuz barrohd.


10 posted on 09/11/2013 1:37:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: don-o

The cover story is “stolen”. They real story is “gift”


11 posted on 09/11/2013 1:38:39 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: don-o

Obama is the most incompetent commander in chief we have ever had, and that is including Jimmy Carter.


12 posted on 09/11/2013 1:38:55 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: don-o

I see. Trying to get the “stolen” meme out before it hits the fan.

LOL! The -resident will need more than two hands to cover his.. but I digress


13 posted on 09/11/2013 1:40:10 PM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: don-o

Our special forces left because they “stole” our weapons?

Did I read that right?


14 posted on 09/11/2013 1:40:14 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: don-o
And in the case of Libya, the trainers were also tasked with hunting down the Benghazi attack suspects that killed four Americans one year ago. As Fox News previously reported, members of that team are leaving Libya.

Ah, now that makes the whole thing clearer.

15 posted on 09/11/2013 1:40:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: don-o
"This stuff is how we win wars. The enemy doesn't have that," one source said.

They do now................

16 posted on 09/11/2013 1:41:01 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Bigtigermike; Travis McGee

You’re right.

I’m still trying to figure SF ‘allowing’ their weapons to be stolen.

Especially these.


17 posted on 09/11/2013 1:41:43 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: don-o

The transfers of US technology to al Qaeda occurred
BEFORE the Benghazi atrocity ... and thereafter.

It is to murder Americans who the US Congress and Obama
were just too lazy to kill by ObamaCARE.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 1:42:54 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: don-o

Fast & Furious II?


19 posted on 09/11/2013 1:43:25 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: don-o
Located just outside of Tripoli, the camp was supposed to be secured each night by Libyan forces. But on two occasions, the camp was attacked and raided by either militia members or groups affiliated with terrorist organizations.

It's just shocking that that would happen in Libya! Well, lesson learned. We'll never let that happen again. /s

20 posted on 09/11/2013 1:43:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

At least ol’ Jimmah was IN THE MILITARY before....................................It ought to be a part of the Constitution that any future Presidents must have served HONORABLY in the US military. Yeah, John Kerry and John McCain notwithstanding..............


21 posted on 09/11/2013 1:43:30 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: don-o

Nope Hillary gave this stuff to the rebels to oust kadafi... and they werent ready to give it back.....


22 posted on 09/11/2013 1:44:46 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: don-o

Wait....We STILL have special forces in Libya??


23 posted on 09/11/2013 1:44:53 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Previous story - August 23that seems to have not been posted here

Team involved in tracking Benghazi suspects pulling out, sources say

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/23/team-involved-in-tracking-benghazi-suspects-pulling-out-sources-say/#ixzz2ecRG3rvH


24 posted on 09/11/2013 1:45:02 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
(from the article)"Lost in the raids in late July and early August were dozens of M4 rifles, night-vision technology
and lasers used as aiming devices that are mounted on guns and can only be seen with night-vision equipment. "

Is this sorta like the 20,000 missing M-14's that were lost/ stolen in Quatar from an unsecured warehouse ?
.. Just more of the same !
At the same time our own _Resident is attempting to take away American citizen's 2nd amendment rights ?
Does anybody else see the inconsistancies in this administration ?
I don't trust his judgement , or his speeches !

25 posted on 09/11/2013 1:46:00 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Obama is the most incompetent commander in chief we have ever had...

He is NOT incompetent.

This has been the plan from Day-1...and he's succeeding!

26 posted on 09/11/2013 1:46:29 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I don’t trust his allegiance.


27 posted on 09/11/2013 1:48:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: don-o
Oh great. Now they have infrared spotters and beacons and AN/PEQ-2s and maybe even blue force trackers with GIS. Not to mention the firmware/software in them and whatever historical data they contained.

Some of that stuff will reveal it's position, so maybe we wanted to let at least some of it fall into enemy hands to see where it ends up.

Fast And Furious 2: North Africa!

28 posted on 09/11/2013 1:48:54 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Of course, none of these “thefts” ar actually thefts. They are transfers of weapons to the insurgents made to look like thefts and the same with the ammo being bought by DHS. Obama is arming the MB right in front of everyone’s faces and they are too dense to notice.


29 posted on 09/11/2013 1:54:36 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: gaijin

Good reply.

Did the Russians actually sell any SA-24s to Libya?

Also, the SA-24 isn’t necessarily mounted (as shown in your picture), it is very capable as a shoulder lauched system (weighs only about 40 pounds).


30 posted on 09/11/2013 1:54:54 PM PDT by kidd (No blood for ego)
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To: gaijin

The GOP won’t investigate this because they blessed it.

Treason.


31 posted on 09/11/2013 1:57:17 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: don-o
"This stuff is how we win wars. The enemy doesn't have that," one source said.

They do, now.

Idiots.

32 posted on 09/11/2013 1:59:19 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: kidd

In fairness I heard experts determined that some of the Bengazi SA-24’s were sourced from the Czeck Republic, or nearby.

Luckily I heard most of the guesses put the majority of the load as being SA-7’s.

So it’s not the very best stuff.


33 posted on 09/11/2013 2:05:34 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: don-o
Hey Wally, ain't it kinda dumb to go and let the bad guys take your weapons and stuff?

Well no Beaver, we didn't let them take them, they stole them.

Oh..ok Wally, that's different, I guess.

34 posted on 09/11/2013 2:05:44 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: TigersEye
I don’t trust his allegiance.

He doesn't have an allegiance .. , only an agenda !
All of his actions point to the success of that agenda.
When was the last time you saw an unsecured , not-guarded armory ?
Or a state of the art electronics without a self-destruct charge ?
Insanity is the act of repeating the same exact behavior and expecting a different outcome
If the Benghazi outpost attack was Fast and Furious Part II
Then this is Fast and Furious Part III ~ 'the insanity repeated' , and I think the leadership did this intentionaly

35 posted on 09/11/2013 2:05:54 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: justlurking

a yellow line in the snow


36 posted on 09/11/2013 2:07:15 PM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- a yellow line in the snow ----- ----- -----)
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To: don-o

“military equipment stored in Libya...”

Kinda like leaving you gold bullion out on the front porch in Chicago.


37 posted on 09/11/2013 2:12:01 PM PDT by Amish with an attitude
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To: devolve
a yellow line in the snow

...from right there where the Russkies go.

38 posted on 09/11/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Impeach We Much!)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I don’t disagree with anything you are saying. But I think this armory theft is a head fake. It’s a red herring designed to lead away from the real reason these SF guys were pulled out of Libya. They were getting close to nailing the Benghazi attackers.


39 posted on 09/11/2013 2:12:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Red Badger

“future Presidents must have served HONORABLY in the US military. Yeah, John Kerry and John McCain notwithstanding”

The character of Kerry’s service was not honorable. He should have been court-martialed for cowardice in the face of the enemy.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 2:19:44 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: newfreep

100%.


41 posted on 09/11/2013 2:22:12 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
No, no it's all just a coincidence! Talk to a homicide detective about coincidences.

How come nothing good ever happens to US? It's weird, it just seems like we have really, really bad luck. Hmm

42 posted on 09/11/2013 2:23:37 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: TigersEye

It’s a red herring designed to lead away from the real reason these SF guys were pulled out of Libya. They were getting close to nailing the Benghazi attackers.

***
I wonder if Obamugabe will let the MB know when and how these SF guys are leaving, i.e., set them up like he did with the guys who were on the UBL mission.


43 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:24 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: TigersEye
"They were getting close to nailing the Benghazi attackers."

Probably so !
It seems that the press can always find these guys for a news commentary , but the military , not so much .
Have you ever heard of Zippey ever getting responsibility / resitution action against any Muslim attrocity ?
Nope ,.. me neither !
A lot of bluster , yes ,..a lot of talk , but never any substantive action !

44 posted on 09/11/2013 2:25:25 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: don-o

Is this just a leak to soften the blow when the real “stolen” stuff is identified? => So then the media will dutifully follow standard operating procedure and label it all “old news”.

You can see right through the propaganda now...it’s old hat.


45 posted on 09/11/2013 2:27:11 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: TigersEye
Maybe the SF 'real purpose' for being there with so much modern equipment was a CIA 'arms drop' .
That's a point to consider .
46 posted on 09/11/2013 2:28:51 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I spoke too soon - I just heard Russia stopped Barack Obama from starting Armageddon - well, that’s pretty cool


47 posted on 09/11/2013 2:28:56 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Bigtigermike
The cover story is “stolen”. They real story is “gift”

There were gifted by us to be used against us...There must be something other than a woodchuck in the woodpile...

48 posted on 09/11/2013 2:29:16 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Obama is the most incompetent commander in chief we have ever had, and that is including Jimmy Carter.

Americans need to wake up and realize once and for all that all this "incompetence" is in reality what obozo and his gang are deliberately doing to destroy our republic.

49 posted on 09/11/2013 2:29:23 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: don-o

Why am I thinking this stuff was stolen from Benghazi and not Tripoli. In the CIA compound were not one but two warehouses full of arms on their way to Syria. If they are used against airliners Benghazi will be in the news again


50 posted on 09/11/2013 2:31:45 PM PDT by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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