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Poll: Republicans embracing libertarian priorities
Politico ^ | 9/11/13 | JAMES HOHMANN

Posted on 09/11/2013 1:56:48 PM PDT by wmfights

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To: wmfights; basil; txhurl

There is a “Libertarian” talk show host in Austin in the PM. He is pro gay, pro abortion, somewhat anti gun rights, nanny state closet liberal. I turn off or mute the radio when he comes on with an ad for a local business during the Mark, Ed and SGT Sam show. Ed is a closet liberal too.


101 posted on 09/11/2013 4:13:30 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: jjsheridan5

Off topic, but is your screen name a Babylon5 reference?


102 posted on 09/11/2013 4:18:35 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Responsibility2nd
All we conservatives want is a return to the America we grew up in.

Times change, and so do societal values.

103 posted on 09/11/2013 4:19:14 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: wmfights

NO. The government’s idea of “the best environment for a child” is already on display. It isn’t God’s idea or mine, or yours, I assume.


104 posted on 09/11/2013 4:22:47 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot
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To: Responsibility2nd

The only thing republicans have in common with libertarians is a desire for small government. The rest of libertarian ideas are as liberal as the day is long.


105 posted on 09/11/2013 4:22:58 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Arrowhead1952

I quit listening to them long ago.

Thank goodness for Sirius Radio. I keep mine tuned to the old radio programs we listened to as kids—before there was TV. I love it!


106 posted on 09/11/2013 4:23:15 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: wmfights

Putting aside this bizarre article ... I will say the basic premise of adding more libertarians to the mix sounds good to me. Given where we are ... a healthy addition of “let me the hell alone” couldn’t hurt.

Cruz / Paul 2016


107 posted on 09/11/2013 4:26:23 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Olog-hai
Are you accusing the Founding Fathers of being authoritarians?

No, I'm quite content with the government being held within the confines of Article 1, Section 8, as the founders intended.

108 posted on 09/11/2013 4:31:15 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Libs here at FR and in our society want us to butt out of moral values in our laws.

I beg to differ. My position is the morality of this once great nation is the foundation of our system, suitable for the governance of a moral and religious people. Our system will not work without individual morals based on Christian values.

The argument is not about government sanctioning gay marriage or abortion, it is how we go about preventing people from doing such things.

Do we use the brute force of government, or do we persuade with fact and logic? The libertarian position is to persuade, not use government force. This is in line with the teachings of a Jewish carpenter I worship. He did much with persuasion.

109 posted on 09/11/2013 4:32:03 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Olog-hai

You asked. I answered. It doesn’t get much more straight forward than that.


110 posted on 09/11/2013 4:32:39 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Hugin

More than not, that’s on the mark.

When society sets the limit, scorn/ridicule/ostracization rule are about as ‘brutal’ as one gets. With gov’t limits, there is loss of $$, Liberty and/or Life


111 posted on 09/11/2013 4:46:58 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: Kip Russell

“Times change, and so do societal values.”

Morality is a constant.

What was immoral 1000 years ago or 200 years ago in still immoral today and will be immoral 100 years from now.

Lastly, we do not change our morals and thus our policies because of a poll.


112 posted on 09/11/2013 4:58:57 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Olog-hai
I also cannot find any connection between Bob Riley and the phrase “Jesus tax”. Except in the liberal publication “Christianity Today”.

Here is another thread explaining the matter:

Would Jesus want government to raise your taxes?

113 posted on 09/11/2013 5:04:03 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: wmfights

i admit I have become more libertarian on social issues (for pot legalization now etc.), but I still am fairly socially conservative and definitely economically so.


114 posted on 09/11/2013 5:04:57 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: basil

I like to keep up with the local news and Mark and SGT Sam are usually on top of things. Ed, not so much.


115 posted on 09/11/2013 5:15:05 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: wmfights

same here.

The whole article is B/S. I;ve already told my kids, oldest being high school what marriage is and facts about the destruction of the family .

This article is about trying to tell conservatives do accept liberal policies pure and simple.


116 posted on 09/11/2013 5:32:29 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Quickgun

so we should let drugs be sold to kids next to a school ,l get rid of sex age laws for those dirty perverted men and have homosexuality, , fisting, feces sex and polygamy be taught to 5 year olds.

Yea right, liberaltarians only care about what they want while never paying taxes and let them go with the Dem party where they will be accepted with open arms seeing as they have more in common with them than conservatives


117 posted on 09/11/2013 5:35:41 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: GeronL

liberaltarians have been infesting our party for years because they know their own platform on sex age laws, incest, sex and drugs is a non starter for most people.

How many liberaltarians have been banned on here for pushing their liberal agenda and still they don’t get it, Ron Paul pushing his loon views on our platform is more evidence of liberals wanting their agenda pushed onto us.


118 posted on 09/11/2013 5:37:50 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: greene66
If this is meant to imply the GOP is now cozying up to issues like fag-marriage, dope, open-borders, and other such degeneracy.

I hope it means they are cozying up to the idea that putting a short leash on government is the one and only political idea that matters any more. Once that is accomplished, all of these social pathologies - that survive only by being promoted by ambitious politicians and judges with with too much government power on their hands - will disappear on their own.

119 posted on 09/11/2013 5:40:36 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Orangedog

and yet even back with the pilgrims judges , yes the Govt married people, now we have justice of the peace.

Liberaltarians want no laws while paying no taxes, they want incest laws to be gone, for their dirty perverted agenda.
Sell drugs next to schools, prostitutes outside schools, no drinking and driving laws, no sex age laws so the old men can have sex with little 12 year old girls.
Inject heroin in public in front of a family.

Nothing but scum bags who want to infest sites like this and use our platform to push their own agenda while trying to tell us to all change and accept their lifestyle.

First amendment, freedom of religion, something liberals hate.


120 posted on 09/11/2013 5:42:20 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Arrowhead1952

>> He is pro gay, pro abortion, somewhat anti gun rights, nanny state closet liberal.

Sounds like he’d fit well in the anus of the Libertarian Party where a lot of other libs and anarchists enjoy circulating.

Any “libertarian” that is pro-kill is not a libertarian.


121 posted on 09/11/2013 5:43:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Orangedog

yet the same Govt is forcing us to accept their homo perversion, drugs etc

Last I checked this site is pro family, ;Last I checked we have freedom of religion. , last I checked liberaltarians have more in common with liberals minus taxes


122 posted on 09/11/2013 5:44:39 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Responsibility2nd

they harp about freedom from Govt and yet it is Govt forcing us to accept their communist agenda.

All liberaltarians want is anarchy and no laws, some for their perversion some because they care only about themselves.


123 posted on 09/11/2013 5:47:27 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Kip Russell

changes because some want it to change and look at the crap we have today because of liberal, communist liberaltarian policies.

Yea we’re doing frigging fine arn;t we, SARC


124 posted on 09/11/2013 5:49:37 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Oliviaforever

EXACTLY.

Just because some want to get high, drink and drive, have sex with little 14 year old girls and have no laws for anything does not mean I or my family should change.

The founders said and gave us freedom of religion , something the left including liberaltarians hate.

Now people are being sued, businesses destroyed and boycotted due to their sick twisted agenda.


125 posted on 09/11/2013 5:52:01 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: rwfromkansas

>> How many liberaltarians have been banned on here for pushing their liberal agenda

I’m dubious about govt control of narcotics as far as it concerns the adult demo. I’m not interested in its availability, but question the cost, corruption, policing, and bureaucracy. Regarding morality, the govt is making it worse, so I don’t see a problem relinquishing that “responsibility” from the freaks in DC.

The Libertarian Party is about establishing law to permit things that should otherwise succumb to its own weight.

Small govt is the answer.


126 posted on 09/11/2013 5:57:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kip Russell

>> Times change, and so do societal values.

You’re not saying anything.


127 posted on 09/11/2013 5:58:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric
I don't see in my Constitution where the federal government was given powers to control drugs at all. That's a state police powers issue, like most issues the feds have overstepped into.

Put the feds back in the constitutional box.

/johnny

128 posted on 09/11/2013 6:02:20 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: wmfights

Ignore? This is what libertarians ABHOR!

The (L) would NEVER let this, let alone condone, type of behavior of the gov’t like the (R).


129 posted on 09/11/2013 6:08:28 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I agree with the caveat there must be common sense, federal level protection for those that are not functioning adults.


130 posted on 09/11/2013 6:13:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: i_robot73

Only a few can make a coherent argument against libertarianism. Most others spout ignorance.


131 posted on 09/11/2013 6:17:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: wmfights; P-Marlowe
A slight majority, 52 percent, said government should not promote any particular set of values,

1. It is impossible to have "no values".

2. Governments always ends up enforcing the values that it holds.

3. Enforcing neutrality is a purge.

132 posted on 09/11/2013 6:17:50 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Gene Eric
Not a federal power. Police powers, including protecting non-functioning adults, are state powers. Laws against murder are properly a state police power, not federal.

/johnny

133 posted on 09/11/2013 6:20:16 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

There should be a uniform, minimum age of consent which can be the same minimum age requirement for military service. I agree otherwise.


134 posted on 09/11/2013 6:28:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Nextrush

Here here, I couldn’t agree more.


135 posted on 09/11/2013 6:30:50 PM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: wmfights
Abandoning the moral truth on the “Social Issues” (read: abortion and homosexuality), abandoning the US military (raiding its budget time and time again while allowing the institution to twist in the wind), and taking a wishy washy attitude towards Israel. Wow.....What great stuff this Libertarian thing is.
136 posted on 09/11/2013 6:37:51 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ask a “Libertarian” if his Social Security or Medicare should be cut, and suddenly, you will get a whole new philosophical 3 card Monty presentation about what Big Government is “good”, and what Big Government is “bad.”


137 posted on 09/11/2013 6:42:00 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: wmfights
Social issues have become less salient to GOP voters: 41 percent said gay marriage is not one of their top 10 issues.

Which presumably means that 59 percent say it is. So try again.

Asked about abortion, about one-third said it is one of the top three issues they care about;

And if one out of every three people you meet on the street told you they wanted to burn your house to the ground, would you listen? Only in the Republican Party would they not. And they're about to lose their house.

Moral of the story: polls can be made to say whatever you want them to say. The core of the Republican Party remains evangelicals and evangelical Christians. When they leave, the Republican Party dies. Simple as that.

138 posted on 09/11/2013 6:43:10 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

And here you summed up the problem with Conservatives vs. (L).

(L) want to return to a A1S8 gov’t. (C) on the other hand have moving goals, all (OK, most, IMHO) abhorrent to the Constitution.

You said you just want to return to pre-LBJ. That presumes you’re humky-dorey w/ the FDR New Deal?

No? How about the Progressive Movement of Woodrow Wilson?

Damn....How about ol’ Teddy’s Progressiveness?

Where does (C) begin? With the (L) Party, it begins and ends w/ A1S8....pure and simple.

See, (L) are, and have been, quite rock-steady in their beliefs. For Citizens of able body and mind (see, here is where CHILDREN are excluded....being wards of their parents and/or State, and under the age of consent) where no Rights nor Liberties are denied to any other party unknowingly or unwillingly, gov’t (and their nanny state enablers) should but the F* out.

I think Pen (of Pen and Teller) summed it up the best (and I’m paraphrasing here): I’m a (L) because I’m smart enough to known I don’t have all the answers to FORCE rules upon anyone else to live by


139 posted on 09/11/2013 6:45:07 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: manc
and yet even back with the pilgrims judges , yes the Govt married people, now we have justice of the peace.

Any other pre-constitution era you would like to cite?

Liberaltarians want no laws while paying no taxes, they want incest laws to be gone, for their dirty perverted agenda. Sell drugs next to schools, prostitutes outside schools, no drinking and driving laws, no sex age laws so the old men can have sex with little 12 year old girls. Inject heroin in public in front of a family.

You forgot the part about drinking the blood of babies and clubbing seals in your disappointing attempt at character assassination.

First amendment, freedom of religion, something liberals hate.

Then go find a liberal to bitch at. I'm all for you to be free to worship however you choose.

140 posted on 09/11/2013 6:48:27 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: wmfights

So that’s why they support limited government? I support limited government because I know the human heart is bad and prone to tyrannize its citizenry via a big state.


141 posted on 09/11/2013 6:53:11 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: manc
yet the same Govt is forcing us to accept their homo perversion, drugs etc

And yet here you are, complaining to someone who wants to see the government out of the business of forcing you to accept how they choose to live. Sounds like your real problem is that you want government to force others to live the way you want them to. I'm almost taken aback at your short sightedness on this. There is no other group out there who will stand by you for gun rights, lower taxes and small government. But hey, go on burning all those bridges. I really don't care because I know the democrats will be more than happy to treat us just as badly as you do.

142 posted on 09/11/2013 6:55:45 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Gene Eric
Any “libertarian” that is pro-kill is not a libertarian.

Yeah, but his "excuse" is that that is the law, since nine justices ruled in favor of Roe v Wade. I detest that sob, and quit listening to him after I retired. I just listened to his show for that station's "every ten minutes" traffic reports.

143 posted on 09/11/2013 6:56:42 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: All

A truly surreal thread.

Assuming that the powers that be don’t get us all incinerated in the coming months, we should have plenty of time to discuss the respective merits of libertarian versus conservative utopias as we’re marched off to Camp Napolitano.

(/sarcasm and scorn)


144 posted on 09/11/2013 7:04:18 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: wmfights

I’m not sure very many actually read the article you posted.

What I took from the article is that more Republicans agree with the libertarian view of the role of government.

People want to be left alone. They don’t want to be spied on, they don’t want to have universal health insurance requirements dictated by the government, they don’t want a government “safety net” of free cell phones, never-ending unemployment, etc that is destroying our economy while running up the debt, they don’t want to be felt up by TSA agents.....and the list goes on and on and on......

On top of all that, they want the Constitution to be upheld...things like the second amendment, the fourth, etc.

Libertarian ideology and Republican ideology are not all that different on a lot of the issues that are front and center today.


145 posted on 09/11/2013 7:10:21 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
Governments always ends up enforcing the values that it holds.

Thank You for some commonsense.

The point that I'm trying to make is those values (insert moral code) can only originate from one of two places. The moral code is either based on Scripture or man's heart. If libertarians come into the PUB party and insist that social conservatives ignore the moral code given to us by GOD for a moral code created by men the Pub party will lose as many as it gains.

At some point libertarians have to reconcile what is the foundation of their moral code and accept that govt exists to maintain it.

146 posted on 09/11/2013 7:19:22 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: SkyPilot
I'm good with getting rid of unconstitutional programs. All of them.

/johnny

147 posted on 09/11/2013 7:21:16 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
The core of the Republican Party remains evangelicals and evangelical Christians. When they leave, the Republican Party dies. Simple as that.

Exactly right!

I do welcome libertarians, but I also recognize that there is going to be a need to discuss why we do need govt and what it's role should be.

148 posted on 09/11/2013 7:22:50 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Orangedog

Not if the answer is not to the point.


149 posted on 09/11/2013 7:25:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Girlene
What I took from the article is that more Republicans agree with the libertarian view of the role of government.

I had a similar thought. The one area that jumped out for me is the gap between the "social conservatives" and libertarians.

150 posted on 09/11/2013 7:27:36 PM PDT by wmfights
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