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Poll: Republicans embracing libertarian priorities
Politico ^ | 9/11/13 | JAMES HOHMANN

Posted on 09/11/2013 1:56:48 PM PDT by wmfights

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To: ClaytonP

Well, like I said, I am still trying to find a single conservative in that list from post #71.

Mr. Stephen Moore is still not exactly right when he characterized Jesus as not being a “fan” of tax collectors. He at least regarded the collectors thereof (rather than the imposers) as more redeemable than the priests of that day, if Matthew 21:31 is any guide.


151 posted on 09/11/2013 7:31:24 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Yes, it is. It was kind of a joke, in that right before I signed up on FR, I was watching B5 with a girl who mentioned that I looked (somewhat), sounded, and had the same mannerisms as him. Plus, I go for girls with big head bones.


152 posted on 09/11/2013 7:35:55 PM PDT by jjsheridan5 (never again: done with the Establishment Republicans forever)
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To: Orangedog

you have it wrong much like the homostapo always does.

Democrats, treat you badly , hell you are in agreement with the communist rules of 1963, ever thought about that and looked at how many are being done over because of homosexuality and soon drugs, polygamy, bestiality etc?


153 posted on 09/11/2013 7:48:36 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Orangedog

do you want Govt to tell people what age to have sex and who with?
Do you want to have Govt to have laws banning sex in public?
Do you want Govt to have laws about a father having sex with his daughter ?\
Do you want Govt to stop you having sex with animals in public?
Do you want Govt to have laws to not let druggies sell drugs next to a little kids schools?

No you don’t and that is why I think liberal tarians, communists, socialist are scumbags and sick perverted @@@@@@@@@@


154 posted on 09/11/2013 7:52:51 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Libertopians want a world where you can marry as many 7 year olds as you like, even your own kids who you can give drugs to to persuade them.

It can not work, such a society would not last long.

WHy is it not working they will ask. They will blame those who dissent, as always. Then the punishments for the scapegoats will have to be found.

The Libertarians might say they want no government coercion but you can bet that dissenters will not be tolerated and they will be persecuted.


155 posted on 09/11/2013 7:58:47 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Olog-hai
Well, like I said, I am still trying to find a single conservative in that list from post #71.

Well you can say that Bush and the Congressional Republicans during the Bush years were not conservative.

There is ample evidence to back up the assertion they were not conservative.

However, they are the public face of social conservatism and they were the ones the Evangelicals voted for. So the " true social conservatives" don't escape the blame for the damage caused by the people they voted for.

That is what the young Republicans are rebelling against.

156 posted on 09/11/2013 8:47:22 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP
The vast majority of social conservatives are good church going folk who mean nobody no harm, however the fringe just scares the hell out of most normal people. You see them on here. A discussion will be going on about the merits of small government, and some freak will start screaming with a list of deviant sexual practices that in his twisted mind us small government types some how want to foist onto civilization. They're too stupid to realize that they are handing the Left the levers of power they need to destroy themselves and unfortunately the rest of us. When you are an advocate of big government, you better have the votes to get what you want, or you're screwed.
157 posted on 09/11/2013 9:08:31 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

I would get rid of 98% of the federal government and you still call me a big government nanny stater.

Then you wonder why we can’t just along in the same party.

Libertopians are as crazy as socialists


158 posted on 09/11/2013 9:10:03 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

You’re the type of dude I’m talking about. You were the guy who wanted to throw Johnny Football in prison for having a beer at 20 years old. You’re the guy who equated pedophilia with a SEC QB having a good time on the town. Dude, wake up. Ever wonder that you might be the oddball, because you sound like one.


159 posted on 09/11/2013 9:14:22 PM PDT by gusty
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To: ClaytonP

They were the “public face of social conservatism” only because the liberals said they were. What they actually were was a different story altogether, and they were so described by many other non-liberal media. And true social conservatives cannot accept blame for a mere image the liberals painted.


160 posted on 09/11/2013 9:23:32 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: gusty

What fringe?


161 posted on 09/11/2013 9:24:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I’m commenting about posters, like the guy who responded to me above, not any public figures. Fortunately those types never win any election.


162 posted on 09/11/2013 9:30:50 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

Again, what “fringe”?

And considering who does win elections, certain people on here would be far more acceptable.


163 posted on 09/11/2013 9:33:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
They were the “public face of social conservatism” only because the liberals said they were.

No, I'm not going to let you get away with that.

The Joe-sixpack social conservative got sucked in by Bush's "Heartfelt Christianity" talk.

They voted for him and own him.

164 posted on 09/11/2013 9:35:30 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Olog-hai

You’re kidding me. You do not believe that there is any fringe elements. They are the whack jobs, the nutters, the people you try to avoid.


165 posted on 09/11/2013 9:47:16 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Arrowhead1952

That’s the excuse I recall Bob Grant giving to abortion. Disgraceful.


166 posted on 09/11/2013 10:18:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Olog-hai

Then next time I suggest being more specific with your questions.


167 posted on 09/12/2013 3:39:15 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: manc

I’m in favor of the govenment operating under the rules the founders set out in Article 1, Section 8. Are you saying that the founders were communists? That might explain some of your contempt for the constitution.


168 posted on 09/12/2013 3:42:11 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: manc

If you want to address those things in your state and your state’s constitution gives it that authority, knock yourself out. But on the federal level, you need to cite the part of Article 1, Section 8 or a constitutional amendment that gives it authority to act on those things. If you’re so worried about drugs being sold next to school kids then you should be all for legalization just like with alcohol. Nobody sells whiskey on school playgrounds because there is no profit in that. It’s just more efficient for retail stores to meet that demand. But you don’t really care about the children. They’re just your excuse for a busybody police state, just like with the liberals.


169 posted on 09/12/2013 3:55:02 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

yet you are the one endorsing communist/socialist agendas, rule 26 look it up.

Also seeing as you mention the founders then do you seriously think for one minute that they wanted homosexuals to marry, have sex with little 7 year olds and give drugs to little kids while having sex in public outside a school?

No did not think so so lets get a bit more real about article 8 and the founders plus it is they who used Govt to marry, yes they used judges to marry people too.

Do you want grown ups to have sex with 12 year olds?
Do you want sex to be done in public on the street in front of kids?
Do you want a whore house next to a school?
Do you want to get rid of incest?

Anyone who states yes to any of these needs to stay in their house for their lives because they’re mentally sick twisted perverted scumbags


170 posted on 09/12/2013 4:27:28 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Orangedog

HUH you’re not in the real world are you.
Make drugs legal because beer is not sold in playgrounds.\\\

That is your rational, WOW,

Govt has rules about selling beer or having beer in a playground at school, do you understand that?

Can’t have a bar next to a school too/\.

Again you are pushing the rule 26 and other rules right form the communist manifesto.

Maybe you have not read it so here you go.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm.

Go through each rule and ask yourself are you for that.

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.\\YOU’RE DOING THAT NOW

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.\YES

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.PAUL NUTS ALWAYS DO THIS

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.DOING IT AGAIN

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.” YOU;VE JUST DONE THAT ON HERE

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press. YES YES YES YES YES

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. YES YES YES YES

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
YES YES YES YES
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.” YES YES YES

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.” YES YES YES

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
ON THIS THREAD ONE HAS SAID THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
YES YES YES
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. YES YES YES

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [”]united force[”] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


171 posted on 09/12/2013 4:35:38 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: GeronL

THEY HAVE NTO THOUGHT about the real world or others they live in a liberal utopia


172 posted on 09/12/2013 4:36:14 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: GeronL

I;ve asked about sex age laws many times and I never get an answer, nor on incest, bestiality, sex in public or selling drugs outside schools because they know they will be perceived to be sick scumbags if they say they agree


173 posted on 09/12/2013 4:42:35 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

I try to type this slow enough for you to understand since you have issues with reading comprehension. If your state’s constitution allows it, you need address those issues at the state level because THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ACT ON THEM. If you don’t like that, then have your member of congress subits the appropriate amendment to the constitution. The founders spelled out quite clearly how to do that. They didn’t put a footnote at the end saying “forget all that bullsh*t we just wrote, go ahead and do whatever the hell you want.”


174 posted on 09/12/2013 4:45:59 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: manc

Get back to me when you have something more than a book you want to cut and paste as a comment. Post your spam to someone who cares.


175 posted on 09/12/2013 4:51:27 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog
No answers to allowing incest, no sex age laws, public sex , public bestiality, selling drugs in schools , child sex, or rape . what a wonderful world for you. have sex in public in the street with little 12 year olds. Sell drugs and women next to a K school. have sex with a dog on the street or a fair. rape legal I'm sick already writing this
176 posted on 09/12/2013 5:14:09 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

I’m sorry that you’re too stupid to see where more than once I posted to make those laws at the state level if you want. Perhaps your reason for continually trying to hump my leg on the incest issue is due to you being the product of 1st cousins interbreeding. It would explain your complete and total lack of reading comprehension.


177 posted on 09/12/2013 5:47:45 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

ah the insults one after the other


178 posted on 09/12/2013 5:51:20 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Yep. They do say things such as they oppose laws meant to protect children blah blah blah.

They will call a conservative who would shrink the federal government by 95% a big government nanny statist if they don’t want to “legalize” drugs, prostitution etc


179 posted on 09/12/2013 6:10:11 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

pout out the communist rules and they see they are more in tune with the hard left, hell I know liberals which are disgusted by what some liberaltarians want.

They will ignore facts, ignore questions because they know they sound sick if they answer those questions, sex with animals in public, homosexual man having sex with a 14 year boy at a fair for all to see, having prostitutes outside a school for 5 year olds to see.

They don’t any laws because they want to get away with their drugs, child molestation, public sex etc.

Then thye wonder why conservatives don’t want them or don’t want them using our platform to spout their perversions


180 posted on 09/12/2013 6:20:55 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Yep. They are not conservative, they sound conservative on economics but give them some time to evolve. I am convinced when they got power it would quickly become everyone owning the products of their labor... sound familiar?


181 posted on 09/12/2013 6:31:33 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: manc; GeronL; Orangedog

M/GL: You’re one-trick ponies that will/can NEVER open your mind to anything other than your own reality, no matter HOW many threads you fail to read/comprehend nor how compelling those arguments are against your own political dogma

NO (L) here, nor anywhere I have ever been/visited/read/etc. has promoted ANY ‘sex in public, incest, etc.’ as you state. I’m sure there IS someplace on the ‘net that would promote what you’ve written, but it would as fringe as the abortion doctors killers of the religious Right. Sick of writing this? I’m sick of reading the same B.S. from your little cabal.

OD, you may just as well give it up (posting/replying) to the few around here and stop banging your head against the wall. How’s that proverb “None so blind...”? Few here on FR like that, for sure; those scared of Freeom/Liberty or so enamored with themselves and/or their religion they believe they can foist the same upon the rest ‘for our own good’.


182 posted on 09/12/2013 6:36:45 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: i_robot73; manc

So people who would happily slash the federal government by 95% are afraid of freedom and liberty because they bash incest, gay marriage and kiddie porn?

Such talk upsets the poor wibbertarians.

They want to know why we can’t along when they bash us as big government nanny staters for only wanting to shrink the fedgov by 95%.


183 posted on 09/12/2013 6:41:50 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: i_robot73

I remember you, the guy who lives down the road from me , like I told you last time over another one of your communist rants, we’ll meet up and you can discuss your views and give me insults then


184 posted on 09/12/2013 6:42:20 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: GeronL

they can’t answer questions but would rather jump up and down like a spoilt brat ranting about no Govt and giving out insults.

Maybe he and I will meet seeing as he;s up the road from me and then he can give his insults to me then, as well as mention his communist views.

Ever wondered why they don’t go on the lefts websites and have them change to suit them.


185 posted on 09/12/2013 6:45:53 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

Have you ever gone deeply into the bowels of libertarian websites? Not the ones meant for public consumption, but where they talk to like-minded people without worrying about making their weirdness palatable?

There is nothing conservative about libertarians, they are not friends of liberty they are hand in hand with the most messed up leftist social trends you can imagine.

Yes, they can moan and protest all they want but they do want to “decriminalize” kiddie porn (which also means legalizing child sex by default) and those other perversions. Putting a camera up doesn’t make it any less a form of child abuse if you ask me.

And that is just one issue.


186 posted on 09/12/2013 6:51:28 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: wmfights

No I am not. They lost me at pro-choice.


187 posted on 09/12/2013 6:51:39 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: GeronL

never been on any of them nor liberal sites for a long time but if you know or have a link to one of their nutty sites could you give it me please , privately of course.


188 posted on 09/12/2013 6:53:45 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc; Morgana

It’s been a very long time but I have clashed with them often enough on Facebook. I might do some digging tonight to show you.

Also, I remember finding defunct websites advocating all of this kind of stuff and worse. AT least some of them admitted to being “social liberals” as they discuss when it becomes to sleep nude with a nude child (answer: when the child becomes uncomfortable)... in other words desensitize the kid enough and he/she is all fair game to them.

It was a long time ago, I shared them with Morgana at one point.


189 posted on 09/12/2013 6:59:21 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

thanks and what you say does not surprise me, wolf in sheeps clothing and all that


190 posted on 09/12/2013 7:09:31 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: GeronL

and the perverts keep spreading.


191 posted on 09/12/2013 7:25:25 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

bump

It’s their religion too apparently


192 posted on 09/12/2013 7:37:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: manc

Yeah, and you’ve been warm and friendly. GFY.


193 posted on 09/12/2013 7:48:39 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: i_robot73

Really they need to get together with the liberals and go bowling or something. They have more in common than they want to believe. Maybe that’s why they hate them so rabidly. They see their love of big government micro managing the lives of others reflected in them and it almost pops a blood vessel in their heads.


194 posted on 09/12/2013 7:53:49 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

well , now you mention it.


195 posted on 09/12/2013 8:02:04 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: GeronL

Those were never the topics of discussion, but thanks for playing.

As to your last statement: If the 5% is still anti-A1S8, hell YES I’ll continue to bash ‘em as ‘big gov’t’ anti-Freedom/Liberty. Quacks like a duck....


196 posted on 09/13/2013 10:07:29 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: Orangedog

LOL. It’s sad to know that the Left never has this type of ‘problem’. They have a final goal and they all huddle to focus on obtaining that goal.

The ‘Right’, from what they same, being 40%, would NEED other (semi)like minded peoples to push them over the 50% threshold....But they’d rather use the smallest of differences to keep under 50%; but bitch when they keep themselves in the minority. Even noting the core of each others ideals are IDENTICAL, someone else believes XYZ, well, we can’t be having THEM in the ‘circle of trust’ :P Sheer stupidity.

Unfort. they can’t even keep on the same topic, but spew the same B.S. from some fringe “(L)” website or blog. Hell, I’ve seen the (L) from 25 yrs ago as ‘proof’, when the current platform clearly shows the opposite. *sigh* C’est le vie.


197 posted on 09/13/2013 10:19:33 AM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of all problems.)
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To: i_robot73

Yeah, I’ve decided the next time I get an angry screed full of cut and pastes from the (L)ibertarian Party platform, I’m just going to hang Fred Phelps around their neck and demand they defend his positions.


198 posted on 09/13/2013 10:31:22 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: gusty
A discussion will be going on about the merits of small government, and some freak will start screaming with a list of deviant sexual practices that in his twisted mind us small government types some how want to foist onto civilization.

What's up with that? I certainly don't spend a lot of my time thinking about deviant sexual practices, and never feel the need to drag them into a discussion of some other topic.

199 posted on 09/18/2013 10:50:34 AM PDT by shego
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