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What Colorado's Recall Results Mean for Dems
Real Clear Politics ^ | September 11, 2013 | Sean Trende

Posted on 09/11/2013 5:52:27 PM PDT by neverdem

When I first looked into the attempts to recall two Colorado state senators, I decided not to write about them. These were solidly Democratic districts, and it seemed unlikely that the disorganized effort would succeed.

But Tuesday night both recalls did succeed. John Morse, the president of the state Senate, lost by two percentage points, while Angela Giron lost by a surprising 12 points...

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In other words, Giron’s district is about a point more Democratic than Delaware, and Morse’s district is about a point more Republican than California (and therefore still highly Democratic). Despite pro-gun-control forces reportedly outspending the anti-gun-control forces by 6-to-1, both incumbents were defeated...

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If this isn’t about turnout, but rather is a reaction to policy, then relatively modest gun-control efforts look pretty radioactive, and an awful lot of Democrats who supported the federal gun-control bill ought to look over their shoulders. This is especially true in Colorado, where nine Democrats occupy seats that are more Republican than the ones Republicans just flipped...

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Perhaps, as I explained in April, the energy is all on the side of the voters who oppose gun control. For example, while Americans might support universal background checks in the abstract, in practice they just don’t care that much about it. Those who oppose them, however, care a lot.

Gun-control proponents had argued that Newtown changed everything. The Colorado recalls are a fresh reminder of how weak an argument that truly is.

Additionally, Democratic pollster PPP found that while the individual components of the gun-control bill were relatively popular in Colorado (albeit by less than the national margin, and in a heavily Democratic district), voters had a positive opinion of the NRA...

(Excerpt) Read more at dyn.realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
Trende is a number cruncher like his new partner, Mike Barone.
1 posted on 09/11/2013 5:52:27 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Democrats and their media allies will get around this simply by not reporting new laws, as is the case in California.

Some of the most onerous anti-gun laws I've ever heard of are currently sailing through the legislature with hardly a peep from the press. I don't even know who sponsored them.

2 posted on 09/11/2013 5:55:43 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: neverdem
Nothing to see here , nothing to fear ,.. move along !

I will be glad to see many Dem's in the unemployment line, and signing up for "Mengele-Care ™” .

3 posted on 09/11/2013 5:56:02 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: neverdem

I am more interested in the Virginia Governor’s race. If we win the Governorship in Virginia then we are in extremely good shape. If not, then we may have our work cut out for us. November will be very telling.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 5:59:21 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: neverdem
I think something else came into play too. The legislature passed a raft of left wing bills, including a huge tax increase that will be on the next ballot. Plus, they tried to repeal capital punishment, which failed, but Hickenlooper refuses to execute the most notorious murderer in Colorado. There's a sense they went way too far and we want our state back.

Morse did come close, but it appears there was massive vote fraud by Colorado College students in his district, bringing in backpacks full of ballots.

5 posted on 09/11/2013 6:01:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: neverdem

Unlike the Obama/Holder Regime, voters cannot pick and choose which laws they want to obey.

The voter is limited to throwing their feudal social engineering lords out of their feeding positions at the Public Trough.


6 posted on 09/11/2013 6:03:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: neverdem

DEPOPULATE POS totalitarians from the body politic, local-state-federal. HOORAY Colorado!

live - free - republic


7 posted on 09/11/2013 6:05:23 PM PDT by PGalt ("Wanted" posters would do)
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To: neverdem

Had the Democrats won both election by ONE VOTE each, they would be screaming form the hilltops that this vindicates their efforts to eliminate private ownership of guns..


8 posted on 09/11/2013 6:05:51 PM PDT by ken5050 (According to Dick Lugar, I'm a "random outlier." Woo Hoo!!!!)
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To: neverdem

PPP sat on poll showing Colorado recall strength

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/ppp-sat-on-poll-showing-colorado-recall-strength/

“We did a poll last weekend in Colorado Senate District 3 and found that voters intended to recall Angela Giron by a 12 point margin, 54/42. In a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll. It turns out we should have had more faith in our numbers becaue she was indeed recalled by 12 points.”


9 posted on 09/11/2013 6:17:30 PM PDT by digger48
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To: neverdem

The dems will simply cheat harder.


10 posted on 09/11/2013 6:26:47 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: neverdem

msnbc’s hays was saying this was good because these democrats sacrificed themselves on the altar of leftism.

All for socialism.


11 posted on 09/11/2013 6:28:22 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: from occupied ga
Despite pro-gun-control forces reportedly outspending the anti-gun-control forces by 6-to-1, both incumbents were defeated.

Without a compelling message, it's a waste!

12 posted on 09/11/2013 6:31:25 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: colorado tanker

time to deal with collegiate voter fraud.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 6:32:17 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: neverdem

For democrats to think “Newton changed everything” - meaning: more people want gun control, is such a stupid assertion.

Newton was a gun-free zone. We see how gun-free zones work in Chicago. If anything, more people realize that evil exists and we must be able to defend ourselves and our children.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 6:34:10 PM PDT by Tigercap
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To: neverdem
It tells me that, at least on this issue, ideology trumps party affiliation. Contrary to liberal thought, there ARE Democrats who support the 2nd Amendment, or at least there are in flyover country. Your average Democrat can't afford to hire private security, or live in a gated community. He has to defend himself and his family in an increasingly hostile world.

I'm not saying Dems rushed to the polls and voted against their own party, they just stayed home and let the Republicans take out the trash. Debbie Washerwoman says they were suppressed but truth is this issue is creating dissention in the 'Rat party. The GOP would be wise to exploit this schism.

15 posted on 09/11/2013 6:39:22 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: ZOOKER

GOP wise? LOL


16 posted on 09/11/2013 6:45:12 PM PDT by 38special (For real, y'all.)
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To: neverdem

Worth reading. I don’t think it’s valid to compare the Obama immaculation with the voting on this issue. Especially in the more rural Pueblo area.

And the author seems enamored about the percentage of Democrats, but ignores the elephant in the room - the percentage of Hispanics. I think it will be vital to understand how Hispanics feel about key issues, and to communicate the conservative pro-liberty message clearly to them.

People didn’t immigrate (legally or otherwise) to the US because we have tough gun-control laws.


17 posted on 09/11/2013 6:48:25 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

Pueblo has a lot of Hispanic, how many, and many many illegals, I don’t know, but it’s probably one of the higher concentrations in the state.

Maybe someone can jump in with real numbers.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 6:56:02 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (SWAT stands for Storing Weapons for patriots to Attack Tyranny.)
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To: neverdem
If this isn’t about turnout, but rather is a reaction to policy, then relatively modest gun-control efforts look pretty radioactive, and an awful lot of Democrats who supported the federal gun-control bill ought to look over their shoulders.

Representatives of the Democratic [sic] party should have figured out the obvious in 1994.

Blind hatred never sees very far ahead.

19 posted on 09/11/2013 7:03:39 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: neverdem

“mail-in voting was unavailable for”....VOTE FRAUD!


20 posted on 09/11/2013 7:10:48 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: napscoordinator

I couldn’t agree with you more - and I’ll include the Lt. Governor and Attorney General races too. These races are truly a choice between the Marxist Obama/Clinton regime (Terry Mac) and the anti-Obama, anti-GOPe Cuccinelli. Through Jackson and Obenshain in the mix and you’ve a full ticket of Constitutionalists versus the anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-government crowd. It is difficult for me to consider an equivalent top ticket that is so profoundly different - and God help the Commonwealth if Cooch, E. W., and Mark don’t win. I’ll humbly say this is the most important election I’ve ever seen in the Commonwealth.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 7:18:55 PM PDT by 103198 (It's the metadata stupid...)
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To: napscoordinator
‘zackly.
But omens are good...
22 posted on 09/11/2013 7:23:00 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: colorado tanker

We need two battle plans now. One for going forward to win an election, and one to blow up the attack at the flank, after we win the damn thing. This includes criminally charging college students wagging around backpacks of ballots.

Marxists overwhelm front to back, of every campaign, with impunity, while we employ Duchess of Queensbury Rules.

If this is true, and nothing is proven, and there are no consequences, then we have no democracy.

The same is happening with criminally early voting, the vehicle for Marxist fraud.


23 posted on 09/11/2013 7:55:51 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: neverdem

The Democrat Controlled Media gives the Rat Candidates another 15% advantage, or so they say.

Fighting the big Liberal money and the big Liberal Media influence and coming out on top is no small feat.

Last night I posted that I was shocked that one of Races was so close in a supposedly “Conservative” area. Now I read that Republicans were outnumbered there as well.

Maybe Miracles do happen.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 8:08:07 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Liberal Democrats = Communists. RINO Republicans = Communist Sympathizers.)
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To: colorado tanker

Haven’t heard anything about Morse demanding a recount. Did his concession speech last night take the recount off the table? If a recount comes to pass will the issue of the college kiddies with their not quite 22 day residency come into play. An inquiring western slope mind wants to know.....


25 posted on 09/11/2013 8:09:12 PM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (Wake up fellow Patriots before it's too late)
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To: neverdem
"Morse’s district, which covers downtown Colorado Springs and some nearby towns, was even more Democratic, voting 59 percent to 38 percent for Obama."

The truth comes out.


26 posted on 09/11/2013 8:11:12 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: G Larry

No, but thanks to a quick move by the Dems signed of course by chickenpooper, there was same day registration. The same van load of illegals could move from poll to poll, register and vote all at the same time....


27 posted on 09/11/2013 8:15:20 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: colorado tanker
Morse did come close, but it appears there was massive vote fraud by Colorado College students in his district, bringing in backpacks full of ballots.

That's what is happening & will continue because of no accountability. We conservatives are screwed.

28 posted on 09/11/2013 10:19:25 PM PDT by Digger
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To: longtermmemmory
msnbc’s hays was saying this was good because these democrats sacrificed themselves on the altar of leftism.

Much like his corporate sponsors, throwing money away on a show with no ratings. All for the altar of leftism.

29 posted on 09/12/2013 5:39:40 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: neverdem
If this isn’t about turnout, but rather is a reaction to policy, then relatively modest gun-control efforts look pretty radioactive,...

That, right there, is a major part of demonrats' problem. There was nothing "modest" about the Colorado laws. That is true even leaving out the really, really bad laws that didn't pass.
30 posted on 09/12/2013 8:31:46 AM PDT by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: The FIGHTIN Illini

I have not heard anything about a recount. I don’t think that’s on the table.


31 posted on 09/12/2013 9:54:18 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: neverdem

What is means is that Mr. Cuccinelli ought to be dusting off the NRA endorsement: AND PUSH AS HARD AS HE CAN AT GUN-GRABBING ENABLER McAuliffe.


32 posted on 09/12/2013 6:07:49 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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