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Vince Gill Confronts Fringe Groups and Gives Country Some Cred
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/11/vince-gill-confronts-fringe-groups-and-gives-country-some-cred.html ^ | Sep 11, 2013 4 | Malcolm Jones

Posted on 09/11/2013 6:05:49 PM PDT by Daffynition

Vince Gill did something on Sunday that not many country singers are willing to do: he courted controversy. Prior to a concert in Kansas City, Missouri, Gill confronted protesters from the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, who were picketing outside his concert to protest his divorce and remarriage, which they hold to be nothing more than a form of adultery. The church, which is nonaffiliated, has also protested against gays and Jews and at the funerals of U.S. soldiers killed in combat, in the belief that God is punishing the nation for its immorality.

At Kansas City’s Kauffman Center for the Arts, Gill walked up to the picket line where people carried placards saying, “God Is America’s Terror.”

“Vince Gill, what in the world are you doing out here?” a woman on the line asked.

“I just came to see what hate looked like,” he said.

“Well, more importantly,” the woman said, “what are you doing with another man’s wife?”

“I came out to see what hatred really looked like in the face.”

“Don’t you know that divorce plus remarriage equals adultery?” the woman asked. “Jesus Christ said that.”

“Did he?” Gill responded. “You know what else he said? He said a lot of stuff about forgiveness, about grace. You guys don’t have any of that.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: algorelovers; algorespals; amygrant; antichristian; dhimmicrats; dncbrownshirts; fakebaptists; kansascity; missouri; pinkjournalism; topeka; vincegill; westborotrolls
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1 posted on 09/11/2013 6:05:49 PM PDT by Daffynition
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At the end of this video, Gill asks: “Are any of you guys Phelpses? Or are you guys like the C team?”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2013/09/09/vince-gill-westboro-baptist/2790931/


2 posted on 09/11/2013 6:10:25 PM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: Daffynition

two wrongs don’t make a right

he was wrong for the divorce remarriage thing

the idiots picketing his show are wrong in so many ways it ain’t funny

but Vince and Amy are wrong and should not have broken up two families to satisfy their lust


3 posted on 09/11/2013 6:10:32 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Daffynition

Is it hate or greed? These people are only doing it for the money, and there beliefs don’t make any sense, much less conform to Christianity.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 6:10:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Daffynition; a fool in paradise

In before the self-righteous holy church lady preachers on high horses!

Oops, I see I’m late. Harper Valley PTA beat me again.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 6:14:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Daffynition

These people are probably best ignored, but disagreeing with them doesn’t really seem to qualify as “courting controversy.”


6 posted on 09/11/2013 6:15:58 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Daffynition

Go Vince!


7 posted on 09/11/2013 6:16:46 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: yldstrk

but Vince and Amy are wrong and should not have broken up two families to satisfy their lust


Amy Grant’s ex, Gary Chapman, had some major drug issues when they were married. I don’t blame her for getting out of that marriage. Chapman sure seemed to be a Phony Christian

Westboro Cult must be running out of issues going after a couple who have been married over 15 yrs


8 posted on 09/11/2013 6:18:25 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (You cannot be conservative while supporting the bankruptcy of your nation)
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To: SeminoleCounty

she took a vow

for better or for worse

the addiction was the for worse part

what part of that does she not get


9 posted on 09/11/2013 6:21:49 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

I didn’t know about the addiction thing, but one thing that always bothered me was her insistence that she never have to give up her career. Had I done the same, my husband and I would likely be divorced today, and I’m just a nurse, not a “star”. Gary stayed home with the kids a lot. Right or wrong, there are two sides to every story and we don’t know either of them very well. Maybe the addiction was trying to cope with the feelings of frustration and himself not providing for his family. Oh, yeah, I forgot...we’re liberated from all that, aren’t we? But, as Christians, wrong decisions made for good reasons are still wrong decisions. PERIOD!


10 posted on 09/11/2013 6:33:35 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Amy Grant’s ex, Gary Chapman, had some major drug issues when they were married. I don’t blame her for getting out of that marriage. Chapman sure seemed to be a Phony Christian

Last I checked, that wasn't one of the reasons Jesus Gave us to leave a marriage.

In fact, if I remember right, He stated that the only reason for Divorce was Sexual Infidelity.

Not sure if He would agree with you.
11 posted on 09/11/2013 6:38:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Shery

She is a narcissist as are most “stars” and will have to deal with God on the fact that she did not even try to keep her vow once tempted with a big rich “star”.

I cannot stand her and consider all her efforts tainted. I bet she doesn’t even believe in God or how could she do what she did


12 posted on 09/11/2013 6:40:12 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SeminoleCounty

If the Westboro Baptists had any “cred” they would protest a gay-pride parade.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 6:40:34 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: stevio

“If the Westboro Baptists had any “cred” they would protest a gay-pride parade.”

Oh...they do!


14 posted on 09/11/2013 6:43:46 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: SeminoleCounty

Didn’t Gary Chapman host a show on TNN?


15 posted on 09/11/2013 6:44:09 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: Daffynition
There is a timeline written by the Nashville paper that shows that both Gill and Grant were divorced before they began a true physical relationship. Gill had been divorced from Janice quite some time and so had Amy when they began dating. The marriages were broke up long before either one of them entered into the new relationship.
16 posted on 09/11/2013 6:44:33 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: yldstrk

Agreed. Jesus is cited in three of the four gospels stating that remarriage after divorce (except for adultery or abandonment by an unbeliever) is in fact adultery.

I’m no fan of the Phelps family, but they have accurately cited Scripture. The Christian church in general is hypocritical in preaching so much against homosexuality, but glossing over the remarriage/adultery issue.


17 posted on 09/11/2013 6:44:39 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Daffynition

I’m still convinced that the Phelps gang are agents of the radical Left meant to discredit those who stand for Christian values.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 6:45:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Joann37
I’m no fan of the Phelps family, but they have accurately cited Scripture.

The Devil can quote Scripture as well.

19 posted on 09/11/2013 6:46:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: yldstrk

she took a vow

oh really - were you at her wedding? how do you know what vows she took?
And if she wasn’t married in ‘the church’ it wasn’t a real wedding in any case.


20 posted on 09/11/2013 6:48:45 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: nickcarraway

WBC are a bunch of lawyers with a lawsuit money making scam, masquerading as a fundamentalist religion.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 6:49:28 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SoConPubbie

Gee, some folks here must’ve been absent from Sunday School when they covered ‘ye without sin cast the first stone’ and ‘you point out the speck in your brother’s eye but ignore the stick in yours’. Jesus said lots of things - don’t pick and choose the ones that are convenient.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 6:50:09 PM PDT by PaForBush
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To: aumrl

well aumrl

what is marriage to you, eh? to stay together til someone richer comes along? Apparently that was her vow according to you


23 posted on 09/11/2013 6:50:54 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
the addiction was the for worse part what part of that does she not get

So if he was beating her, or abusing her in another way tough shit, right?

24 posted on 09/11/2013 6:54:24 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: yldstrk

‘Apparently that was her vow according to you’

actually I try not to judge.
I am perfectly happy to let G-d do that; for both Amy, Vince, and me.


25 posted on 09/11/2013 6:57:04 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: usconservative

was he?

she could separate to protect herself, but no one ever said she was beaten, she just saw a big star and grabbed for the brass ring despite her vow


26 posted on 09/11/2013 6:58:18 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: aumrl

well you are a better man than I Gunga Din


27 posted on 09/11/2013 6:59:14 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Joann37

Except....judge not lest ye be judged. The phelps clan are not sinless and will be judged the same as they judge....as you will.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 6:59:38 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Daffynition
I'm afraid I can't see any “good guys” in this little brouhaha.
29 posted on 09/11/2013 7:01:38 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: SoConPubbie
In fact, if I remember right, He stated that the only reason for Divorce was Sexual Infidelity.

Ephesians 5:25-28 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

So, exactly what were the reasons Christ gave to leave a marriage then? Could it be that a man who fails to love his wife as Christ loves His church, nor does that man love his wife as himself (drug abuse, physical abuse, etc..) qualify for divorce?

Unlike others, I won't pretend to speak for Christ on this topic. I cannot however envision that our Lord and Savior would want His children to remain in an abusive, destructive relationship. That just doesn't make sense.

30 posted on 09/11/2013 7:03:21 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: yldstrk
she just saw a big star and grabbed for the brass ring despite her vow

That's your opinion. You weren't there, you don't know the facts. That in and of itself should stop you from hurling your accusations.

If you're going to quote scripture, I'd remind you about what Jesus said about gossip and speaking ill of others ....

31 posted on 09/11/2013 7:07:00 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Daffynition

What happened, Daffy, the Westboro nuts have infiltrated Free Republic?


32 posted on 09/11/2013 7:10:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Sure looks like it from a few of the posts here.....


33 posted on 09/11/2013 7:12:09 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: yldstrk

Although it is wrong to divorce, the bible does say it is better remarry than to burn. I struggled with my divorce and even tried to forgive her being with someone else. She did it again and I gave her a divorce. I have remarried and do not see myself as a sinner for doing so.


34 posted on 09/11/2013 7:13:17 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: usconservative

what ? what did He say about gossip?


35 posted on 09/11/2013 7:15:42 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BOBWADE

It must have been very difficult, I am sorry


36 posted on 09/11/2013 7:18:04 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yep. This is a skunk fight.


37 posted on 09/11/2013 7:26:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: yldstrk
what ? what did He say about gossip?

See if you recognize yourself. (Hint: I bolded it so it's easy for you to find ..)

Ephesians 4:29 ESV
Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Proverbs 16:28 ESV
A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer separates close friends.

Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Proverbs 21:23 ESV
Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble.

Proverbs 20:19 ESV
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets; therefore do not associate with a simple babbler.

Proverbs 18:8 ESV
The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels; they go down into the inner parts of the body.

James 1:26 ESV
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

Titus 3:2 ESV
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

Psalm 34:13 ESV
Keep your tongue from evil and your lips from speaking deceit.

Proverbs 11:13 ESV
Whoever goes about slandering reveals secrets, but he who is trustworthy in spirit keeps a thing covered.

James 4:11 ESV
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

Proverbs 17:4 ESV
An evildoer listens to wicked lips, and a liar gives ear to a mischievous tongue.

Psalm 101:5 ESV
Whoever slanders his neighbor secretly I will destroy. Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart I will not endure.

Proverbs 26:20 ESV
For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.

Matthew 12:36 ESV
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

Leviticus 19:16 ESV
You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord.

2 Timothy 2:16 ESV
But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,

1 Timothy 5:13 ESV
Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.

Proverbs 10:18 ESV
The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

Proverbs 17:9 ESV
Whoever covers an offense seeks love, but he who repeats a matter separates close friends.

Romans 1:29 ESV
They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,

Exodus 23:1 ESV
“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

Psalm 64:2-4 ESV
Hide me from the secret plots of the wicked, from the throng of evildoers, who whet their tongues like swords, who aim bitter words like arrows, shooting from ambush at the blameless, shooting at him suddenly and without fear.

Philippians 4:8 ESV
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

1 Corinthians 13:1-13 ESV
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ...

Exodus 20:16 ESV
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

2 Corinthians 12:20 ESV
For I fear that perhaps when I come I may find you not as I wish, and that you may find me not as you wish—that perhaps there may be quarreling, jealousy, anger, hostility, slander, gossip, conceit, and disorder.

James 3:8 ESV
But no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

Proverbs 19:5 ESV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.

1 Thessalonians 4:11 ESV
And to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you,

Ephesians 4:15-16 ESV
Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

Ephesians 4:31 ESV
Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

Proverbs 26:22 ESV
The words of a whisperer are like delicious morsels; they go down into the inner parts of the body.

Jesus also said for us not to cast pearls before swine, so this will be my last post to you on this topic. You should seriously think about refraining from posting further yourself.

38 posted on 09/11/2013 7:38:10 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Titus 3:2 ESV
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

I will give you that one, the rest talk about lies


39 posted on 09/11/2013 8:08:44 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

25 years ago and some of the hardest days of my life. Found a very nice lady with a strong Christian upbringing and we have been married for nearly 15 years now. I can truly say that I have been blessed.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 8:11:24 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: Daffynition

WBC is a leftwing astroturf group

You will notice they never protest gay pride parades


41 posted on 09/11/2013 8:12:32 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Revolting cat!

42 posted on 09/11/2013 8:16:30 PM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: DainBramage

I’m not judging anyone - I just question why churches in general hate homosexuality, while they ignore the rampant epidemic of divorce and remarriage. Certainly some remarriages are allowed due to the way the divorces came about, but those are in the minority.


43 posted on 09/11/2013 8:16:41 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Joann37

Part of it is because at least people who get divorced at least acknowledge that it’s wrong. Whereas homosexuals don’t see what they do as a sin.


44 posted on 09/11/2013 8:20:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Daffynition

45 posted on 09/11/2013 8:33:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Daffynition

46 posted on 09/11/2013 8:35:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: yldstrk
I cannot stand her and consider all her efforts tainted. I bet she doesn’t even believe in God or how could she do what she did

I wouldn't exactly call this sort of castigation a good example of Christian virtue either.

47 posted on 09/11/2013 8:36:28 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Daffynition

(Some people come here with the boring old scripture, I come here with cartoons.)

48 posted on 09/11/2013 8:37:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: yldstrk

By the way, I say that with a great deal of hypocrisy...I’ve done that same thing more times than I can count...as have most of us. It’s still wrong.


49 posted on 09/11/2013 8:38:36 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: yldstrk
My, oh my, that's a high horse you're riding lady!


50 posted on 09/11/2013 8:41:02 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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