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A Plea for Caution From Russia (Putin Lectures Obama on 9/11 Anniversary)
The New York Times ^ | Wednesday, September 11, 2013 | Vladimir V. Putin

Posted on 09/11/2013 6:29:40 PM PDT by kristinn

MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

SNIP

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; putinlecture; putinoped; syria

1 posted on 09/11/2013 6:29:40 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

If Obama would react asmrussia would react and say “ we said one week and we attack” he would get their attention and gain the upper
Han, yet we allmknowmhenwont


2 posted on 09/11/2013 6:34:23 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: kristinn

Too bad so many of the Dem-voting sheep that need to see this, never will.


3 posted on 09/11/2013 6:35:14 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kristinn

Obama uses the language of American uniqueness to lure the unsuspecting, like a few congressmen I heard on the radio ntoday.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 6:40:31 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: kristinn

I hate to say it but he makes some sense.

I think its because he realizes what a dangerous situation Obama has created in the world.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 6:41:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

It goes all the way back to our involvement in Bosnia and Kosovo.


6 posted on 09/11/2013 6:42:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kristinn

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage.
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Uh, someone does. I want the United Nations gone, gone, GONE!

Strange that he reached out like this but I don’t like his letter one bit. GTH Putin. I agree with Putin on a couple of things but other than that—he can just gth.


7 posted on 09/11/2013 6:45:42 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: dfwgator
It goes all the way back to our involvement in Bosnia and Kosovo.

When crazy progressive Weasley Clark nearly led us into an armed conflict with the Russians. Thank God British General Mike Jackson simply refused a NATO order.
8 posted on 09/11/2013 6:47:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

When you read this and you think of Putin vs Obama, the word pummel comes to mind.

One of our two leaders is a statesman. I may not like it, but he holds himself in a dignified manner.

Our guy is stinking up the place. It’s just embarrassing.


9 posted on 09/11/2013 6:48:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: cripplecreek

More than that, he realizes just what a danger to World Peace the Peace Prize-winning Narccissitic Sociopath has become.


10 posted on 09/11/2013 6:48:23 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kristinn

Putin is a communist, to hell with him.


11 posted on 09/11/2013 6:48:34 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: cripplecreek
Thank God British General Mike Jackson simply refused a NATO order.

Interesting story about that posted here just the other day.

Singer James Blunt 'prevented World War III'

12 posted on 09/11/2013 6:50:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kristinn

Should Obama and Putin become soul mates and pals is not all that comforting. The world beware of exactly where their differences are, and where there are actually none.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 6:52:51 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: smoothsailing

Putin is a communist, to hell with him.

I disagree, he is also a number of other things....


14 posted on 09/11/2013 6:53:35 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: smoothsailing

Obama too.


15 posted on 09/11/2013 6:54:09 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: kristinn; All
Not a bad piece, though Putin is wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan. They are a mess now because of Obama the Clown.

Also, did he take a shot at Obama or America when he said this:

And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Far be it from me to think that Obama considers America "great"...on the contrary, I believe Obama hates the Constitution, Christianity and capitalism.

What makes America great are those three things, not in that order.

Putin is wrong to think America is not exceptional...we are. Obama is wrong because he says we are exceptional, because he says this only to stroke his ego.

16 posted on 09/11/2013 6:56:52 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: smoothsailing
Putin is a communist, to hell with him.

As is Obama. To hell with both of them.

17 posted on 09/11/2013 6:57:13 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: GraceG; All

“Putin is a communist, to hell with him.”
“I disagree, he is also a number of other things....”

Whatever you may think of Putin, Russia IS holding the moral high ground here, undeniably, and to be holding it, against the Peace Prize-winning President of the USA shows that we truly have jumped down the Rabbit Hole.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 6:59:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: kevao

Exactly. To hell with both of them.


19 posted on 09/11/2013 6:59:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: dfwgator

Ya just can’t see James (Squeaky) Blunt as a soldier but he’s the real deal.

I only know of him from seeing him on Top Gear and talking about being a tank commander or something.


20 posted on 09/11/2013 6:59:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: kristinn

I gotta disagree with the communist. Who happens to be our president.

Putin makes a decent point, but his faith in the UN is only so because he can manipulate it with his veto.

Both Obama and Putin miss on the true nature of “American Exceptionalism” Obama is a cynical bastard who seeks to simply award exceptionalism just like he was given everything in life for simply showing up sometimes.

Putin is right that it’s dangerous to tell someone they are “exceptional” - if they are Russian.

Americans....true Americans (not cynical Obama and his supporters, whom it is equally dangerous to declare as “exceptional”) ARE exceptional - with the mix of compassion, and cultural knowledge of right and wrong to handle it with humility.

That is something Putin will never get - he mistakes it for arrogance because he doesn’t understand the true essence of America.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 7:00:51 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: GraceG

“Putin is a communist, to hell with him.”

Obama is more of a communist than Putin. To hell with him too.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 7:02:52 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: kristinn

Just because the moron in the White House doesn’t understand American exceptionalism, it doesn’t mean we are not exceptional as a people. As with everything, Obama thinks it is the government and its policies that makes America exceptional. Putin is equally ignorant. I’m not particularly interested in being lectured by Putin on who I am, and what I should stand for.


23 posted on 09/11/2013 7:03:26 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: cripplecreek

You don’t have to hate to say it - he makes a ridiculous amount of good sense. A country that is broke with its military overstretched in theater after theater where there is no well-defined military objective is in no shape to be picking new fights. America’s top priorities need to be getting our act together here at home, because right now things suck for 99% of us and only promise to get worse in the future.

My friends are coming back from these wars wanting to blow their heads off, or drink their heads off. Those with injuries get treated like garbage at the VA. These are people who swore to protect America, not to enact a lobbyist-driven political agenda across the globe.

We are rapidly approaching the point where the choice will be made for us; we will not be able to engage in war as the economy will no longer be able to support it.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 7:06:33 PM PDT by thoughtomator 2.0
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To: thoughtomator 2.0

We’ve been “Team Saudi Arabia World Police” for the past 25 years.


25 posted on 09/11/2013 7:07:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: smoothsailing

Putin has been where Obama is taking the US:
Russia was a Communist country where God was forbidden,
Russia is trying to introduce capitalism and shake the socialist form of government. Russia has fought the Muslims for over 700 years in their back yard. Read The Ghost of the Balkans. They are fighting them today in Chechnia. The Russians know their enemies. The Russians are rediscovering the importance of God in their country, again they have lived with the past where the Communists banned all religions so the people had to turn to government . Most striking is Putin at least gives the appearance of a moral compass . The US administration sends out the same liars of Benghazi to try to convince the US populace to follow.


26 posted on 09/11/2013 7:07:27 PM PDT by affan76
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To: kristinn
PUTIN: And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Dear Mr. Putin,

I disagree with your premise, that American exceptionalism is dangerous. It is simply true, we were an exceptional people. We were exceptional because we were moral, Godfearing, hard working, and an educated people, who worked in a system of freedom that fully allowed us to reach our maximum potential.

I also disagree with Obama's premise, that American policy ever made us exceptional, except to the extent that our internal domestic policy was HANDS OFF.

Obama does not believe in a system of freedom, or a hands-off policy, so he is entirely antithetical to American exceptionalism.

But the last 100 years, Mr. Putin, have shown that -- entirely differing with your thought that it is dangerous -- American exceptionalism made us the gold standard to strive for, as we expanded the boundaries of science and technology and increased our standard of living.

Then we became immoral and lazy and rejected God, and our leaders rejected freedom.

Now we are to become less-exceptional than any other nation on Earth.

I would suggest, Mr. Putin, that if you embraced RUSSIAN exceptionalism as I have described the American counterpart, there is a chance -- a small one, given your nation's history -- that your country could become the beacon of hope we once were.

Signed, Laz

27 posted on 09/11/2013 7:08:13 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: affan76

Putin is a devotee of Solzhenitsyn, I don’t think he started out that way, but I think after meeting him, it had a profound effect on him. And Solzhenitsyn tried to warn the West that they were on a destructive path, but we haven’t listened.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 7:09:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RFEngineer
Putin's (or his speech writer's) conclusion that we are created equal implies that we remain equal, which the left here also erroneously promotes and attempts to manifest through social engineering. I do not think it a coincidence they share this misapprehension.
29 posted on 09/11/2013 7:14:13 PM PDT by Dysart (Being nuts has its advantages...and the machete doesn't hurt, either.)
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To: kristinn

Putin makes a couple of points. I wouldn’t turn my back on him. I still don’t trust him.


30 posted on 09/11/2013 7:17:47 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: dfwgator
James Blunt According to Wiki.

His unit was given the assignment of securing the Pristina International Airport in advance of the 30,000-strong peacekeeping force; however the Russian army had moved in and taken control of the airport before his unit's arrival. Blunt refused to carry out this order.

He did RECON in Kosovo so despite the squeaky voice he's a real man.
31 posted on 09/11/2013 7:19:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: smoothsailing
Putin is changing the course of history for the better.

Thank God he's on the world stage.

32 posted on 09/11/2013 7:25:55 PM PDT by duckln
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To: SoFloFreeper
Obama does not have a clue as to what "American exceptionalism" means, and he misuses it, which is why Putin reacted.

The traditional meaning has nothing to do with foreign policy or international competition or military capability.

33 posted on 09/11/2013 7:26:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: kristinn

In Obamas first term, he bowed to The Saudis, then continued his American Apology Tour. He dismantled the economic fiber of America, like a mad scientist conducting experiments.

In his second term he has literally reinvented our military, not only financially but morally. Now WE THE AMERCAN PEOPLE are bowing to effing Russia, the arm of Iran. Is anyone surprised that Putin is showing his muscle, he knows a coward when he sees one, and is literally laughing at us, as he should’ve

The American people who elected this imposter Barack HUSSEIN Obama, through their illiteracy, has placed this nation in peril. For what? Free birth control, free abortions, gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and free cellphones.


34 posted on 09/11/2013 7:43:43 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

Every President since Reagan has “bowed” to the Saudis.


35 posted on 09/11/2013 7:45:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Irenic

“...I don’t like his letter one bit.”

Read Putin’s first sentence and had the exact thought: “I don’t like this one bit.”


36 posted on 09/11/2013 8:15:45 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: cripplecreek

Wesley Clark is a mad man.


37 posted on 09/11/2013 8:23:56 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: hinckley buzzard

Part of American exceptionalism is the idea that each successive generation lives better than the one before. Especially as compared with the rest of the world.

It’s simply not the case any more.


38 posted on 09/11/2013 8:26:15 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: sunrise_sunset

Obama’s exceptionalism is leaving the next generation with something not as bad as it would have been, if not for me....


39 posted on 09/11/2013 8:28:33 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: kristinn

“......at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.”

A Russian delegation, I’m sure under Putin’s direction, offered to talk to our congress. They were rejected. That’s what I call insufficient communication.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 8:35:02 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: kristinn
No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations

Wait a minute....I do, I do!

41 posted on 09/11/2013 8:37:29 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: kristinn

On MSNBC’s Last Word the libs were going “Uh oh! Putin is using all of our left-wing anti-US “Empire” rhetoric that we deployed against Bush!


42 posted on 09/11/2013 8:56:18 PM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: kristinn

Some of what Putin says makes sense, some of it is total balderdash. But the “big picture” takeaway is that Putin here is slapping the snot out of Obama. Making a total mockery of the Kenyan.

To that, all I can say to Putin is... “Yes! Do it Again! And Again!” Slap him like the degenerate POS he is! It’s a joy to behold. Certainly something that we haven’t seen from the pathetic, cowering GOP over these past five years. Slap the bastard silly! Show the world what an empty-suited fool Obama is. Good for Putin.

If America’s stature in the world is knocked to the ground, so be it. The American people elected Obama, and will have to suffer the consequences and the degradation.


43 posted on 09/11/2013 9:11:30 PM PDT by greene66
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To: kristinn
And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Mr. Putin, only arrogant Europeans, Russians and uneducated rabid liberals think Americans believe themselves to be exceptional, i.e. better than everybody else. America is exceptional because she recognizes that each individual is blessed with inalienable rights bestowed upon him/her from a higher power, NOT a centralized government and its statist bureaucracy.

44 posted on 09/11/2013 9:17:17 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

The only thing that makes America exceptional is the Bill of Rights. Nothing more. We should spread the BOR to every corner of the globe.


45 posted on 09/11/2013 9:23:36 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: ez
Exactly. I doubt arrogant Russians, Europeans and rabid liberals know the document or its history.
46 posted on 09/11/2013 9:32:16 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: dfwgator

Thanks for your comment regarding Putin’s admiration of Solzhenitsyn. I read just about everything written by S back in the 70s and 80s, but was unaware of this fact.

Googling about, I learned that Putin considers The Gulag Archipelago essential reading for Russian students, and that S had qualified praise for Putin just before he died.

Putin may be a democratically elected tyrant much like Obama, but, unlike Obama, anybody who suggested that the next generation should read The Gulag Archipelago is not a communist.


47 posted on 09/11/2013 9:40:38 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: sunrise_sunset

wesley Clark betrayed the Clintons when he turned on them to support Obama—hoping for a cabinate post—he got none. He could have been Hillary’s VP! He bit the hand that fed him.


48 posted on 09/11/2013 10:47:03 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: kristinn

Just like I said...Putin works, plays and belittles Obama, every day. It’s called PUPPET-ON-A-STRING!!! Drip....Drip.....Drip!! America....wake up....time to impeach Obama is here, or, force him to resign!!! The entire world is laughing and mocking the USA, big time!!! Just like them proud patriots in Colorado threw two Democrat low life Senators out of office.....the same movement needs to broom Obama, politically and send him and his “hate Amnerica “ wife back to the Chicago crime cesspool where they rightfully belong!!!


49 posted on 09/12/2013 1:46:50 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: kristinn
when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Amazing that Putin, not Obama, is the one who invoke's the Lord’s blessings.

50 posted on 09/12/2013 5:50:05 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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