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Are terrorists setting U.S. wildfires? Ex-NSA official: Al-Qaida ignited California blazes
wnd ^ | 9/11/13 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 09/11/2013 8:11:39 PM PDT by Nachum

As the 2013 season of devastating wildfires continues to rage across the American West, the question of arson as a form of major terrorism is again being raised.

Already this year, 35,440 reported fires have burned a total of 3.9 million acres, with a quarter-million acres scorched the iconic Yosemite National Park.

Large blazes continue to burn in several states, with six alive in Idaho, five each in California and Montana, and one each in Alaska, Louisiana, Oregon, Texas and Washington.

The National Interagency Fire Center in Boise, Idaho, says at this time last year, 45,278 fires had burned 7.9 million acres, and in 2011, there were 55,619 fires devastating 7.2 million acres.

In July 2012, William Scott, a former National Security Agency official and Aviation Week editor, told the American Center for Democracy that terrorists are using fire as a tactical weapon of war.

“Perhaps the most simple form of economic warfare is wild land arson,” Scott said in his “Fire Wars” presentation. “That’s just setting fires in U.S. forests [and] grasslands.”

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; US: Alaska; US: California; US: Idaho; US: Louisiana; US: Montana; US: Oregon; US: Texas; US: Washington; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alaska; alqaida; california; idaho; israel; louisiana; montana; oregon; russia; setting; sierraclub; terrorists; texas; unitedkingdom; waronterror; washington; wildfires
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1 posted on 09/11/2013 8:11:39 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

It aint NSA.
It’s lighting strikes in a place that Libtards wont let us clear.
Some of it is illegal alien campfires.
Some is just regular campers.

Eco friendly jerks have made the place a tinderbox.
It happens every year

Jerry Brown will tell you it was rednecks with tracer ammo.


2 posted on 09/11/2013 8:17:14 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Nachum

I have thought this for a long time.

Never before, at least in my memory, have there been such a huge and devastating number of fires.

Back about 7 or 8 years ago, I remember reading on FR that an arrest had been made of someone suspected of starting a fire. The article was only up for about a half hour and it disappeared. It was a middle-eastern name. It was weird.


3 posted on 09/11/2013 8:20:12 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Nachum

The season for Santa Ana winds, as hot, dry east winds in Southern California are known, will begin shortly. I have often thought that terrorists could monitor weather websites to see when such winds are forecast, then coordinate a massive campaign of arson in the area.


4 posted on 09/11/2013 8:20:44 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: mylife; Nachum

It will grow back without the lefty enforced undergrowth. Eventually, the forest will be ok.

Too bad our economy is wrecked by a more devastating Muslim or at least Muslim sympathizer Barack Hussein Obama and his health care take over, force 30 hour work weeks, punishment of hardworking producers and rewarding of couch slobs.

and, stretching our brave military too thin.


5 posted on 09/11/2013 8:25:03 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: JudyinCanada

all middle eastern names are weird. Maybe, that is their problem.... hmmm, maybe that is the problem with America’s black culture and all the impossible to pronounce and spell weird names like femala and itsaboya, etc.


6 posted on 09/11/2013 8:27:09 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Nachum

To the headline: yes


7 posted on 09/11/2013 8:29:57 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: FreeAtlanta

The forests go in cycles if you don’t clear them.

It’s time for the libtards to get a burn cycle.


8 posted on 09/11/2013 8:30:34 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Fiji Hill

Santa Ana’s can be a beast.

A fire in Tehachapi pass will blow like a blow furnace.


9 posted on 09/11/2013 8:32:44 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Nachum
The Federal government spends trillions on foriegn aid and ridiculous wars chasing wind. They will spend gadzillions dropping bombs on roaches but cant squeek open their wallet for a small fleet of old C-130s to drop fire retardant to save precious national treasures.

I'm sorry, I love my homeland but I absolutely hate the US government, it is run by a bunch of drunken narcisistic nincompoops

10 posted on 09/11/2013 8:33:07 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: mylife

Where does it say that the NSA set the fires? Anyway, if there is evidence of terrorist activity connected with these fires, you can be sure it isn’t being reported—don’t need no burning mosques.


11 posted on 09/11/2013 8:36:44 PM PDT by Misterioso (Was born an atheist 76 years ago and haven't changed my mind.)
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To: Nachum; LucyT

This is an official report (refers to 2012 fires)
8:47
Economic Warfare Super Panel - William Scott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFHM0rd9cX8&feature=share&fb_source=message


12 posted on 09/11/2013 8:38:59 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Misterioso

It does not, but rest assured, this is more the result of Ecowienies than terrorists with matches.

I have seen this pattern.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 8:42:53 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Nachum

The Muzzies have been burning the forests in Israel for decades. It was only a matter of time before we imported enough of them here to have them start it up.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 8:56:52 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Nachum

Till a sheethead gets caught red handed setting a fire it’s just a theory.
Fire is natural in the west and the west is in a draught. Lots of fires
are to be expected. So without proof this is just woo woo scaremongering
to keep every one cringing and crying for big government to protect us......
if we will just give up a few more rights and a bit more freedom.


15 posted on 09/11/2013 8:59:22 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: Nachum

one of the more “popular” mooselim terrorst scum organizations STATED their intentions to start such blazes several years ago

whether it was bluff and bravado remains to be seen.

Id think that theyd be taking credit for their deeds if they had managed to set these fires though.


16 posted on 09/11/2013 8:59:52 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: JudyinCanada

noted that in spring 2012, al-Qaeda’s English-language online magazine, Inspire, published an article called “It Is of Your Freedom to Ignite a Firebomb,” which featured instructions on how to build an incendiary bomb to light forests on fire.

A few months later, Russia’s security (FSB) chief, Aleksandr Bortnikov warned, ”al-Qaeda was complicit in recent forest fires in Europe” as part of the terrorists’ “strategy of a thousand cuts.”

Bortnikov spoke of “extremist sites [that] contained detailed instructions of waging the ‘forest jihad’ and stressed that such a method had proved itself effective as it inflicted both physical and moral damage, needed little training or investment and it was extremely hard for police to find and apprehend the arsonists.”

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/06/fire-jihad-forest-fires-in-america.html

this is only the most recent report of the jihadist Stated if not realized Intentions.

Im thinking I read something simiar at least half a dozen years ago.


17 posted on 09/11/2013 9:03:27 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Nachum

I’m no savant or psychic but I recall thinking this out loud to my brother a number of years ago, must have been 2004, 2005. I said that if I were a terrorist I would just have a coordinated group go around the country setting fires at predetermined places and times.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 9:05:17 PM PDT by Reagan‹berAlles
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To: nvscanman

Big Gov has given stoked the tinder box.


19 posted on 09/11/2013 9:09:46 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

Terrorists take credit for actions.
Forest fires are not a terrorist attack.

Terrorist say, “yeah, I did it , and I’ll do it again unless you capitulate”

Machiavellian liberals are smarter than that.


20 posted on 09/11/2013 9:14:09 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: JudyinCanada

jihadists-claim-credit-for-arizona-fires

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/jihadists-claim-credit-for-arizona-fires/

I’m still searching for their earlier threats to set off such blazes.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 9:14:49 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Reagan√úberAlles

Sometimes it is arson, but I see no widely connected pattern outside of Libs not letting people clear dead wood.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 9:16:06 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Nachum

from 2008

Terror Group Urges Forest Fire Jihad

The threat of a forest fire jihad has been made on numerous occasions. This story is again another reminder to remain vigilant and immediately report any suspicious activity.

Australia has been singled out as a target for “forest jihad” by a group of Islamic extremists urging Muslims to deliberately light bushfires as a weapon of terror.

US intelligence channels earlier this year identified a website calling on Muslims in Australia, the US, Europe and Russia to “start forest fires”, claiming “scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels’ forests when they do the same to our lands”.

The website, posted by a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network, argues in Arabic that lighting fires is an effective form of terrorism justified in Islamic law under the “eye for an eye” doctrine.

The posting — which instructs jihadis to remember “forest jihad” in summer months — says fires cause economic damage and pollution, tie up security agencies and can take months to extinguish so that “this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time”.

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/2008/09/07/terror-group-urges-forest-fire-jihad/


23 posted on 09/11/2013 9:19:35 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey
I do not see this a a concerted effort


24 posted on 09/11/2013 9:22:02 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

“Libs not letting people clear dead wood.”

would....demonstrate a reason for such HUGE fires not necessarily the location or frequency of such fires

jihadists took credit for the fires in arizona and have consistently been making noise about a forest jihad.

Location Location Location....

Yellowstones a GONER...and Yosemite well its not over yet,


25 posted on 09/11/2013 9:23:10 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Smokey Bear says... It’s not nice to start forest fires.


26 posted on 09/11/2013 9:23:12 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

With the vast surveillance and storage capacity of the NSA..not to mention NASA.....I would THINK that arson could be surveilled from the air by satellite by this point.

Given the location of two massive fires...One being Yellowstone...a.rather well known heavily trafficed tourist attraction...and near Yosemite..same same...I wouldnt doubt that these fires were arson


27 posted on 09/11/2013 9:26:33 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: mylife

With the vast surveillance and storage capacity of the NSA..not to mention NASA.....I would THINK that arson could be surveilled from the air by satellite by this point.

Given the location of two massive fires...One being Yellowstone...a.rather well known heavily trafficed tourist attraction...and near Yosemite..same same...I wouldnt doubt that these fires were arson


28 posted on 09/11/2013 9:26:34 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Yellowstone recovered.
I was there like 10 years ago.

The old dead charred remains where still there, thanks to libs that said we could not even harvest the downed burned wood.

If there has been another fire, I am unaware of it and all that old tinder would have blazed it up.


29 posted on 09/11/2013 9:27:33 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

I had a family member that lived in Prescott.
The entire forest became tinder due to bark beetles.

He could not even clear the dead trees on his own land to create a firebreak due to ecoterrorists.

He said **** em and took the fine.


30 posted on 09/11/2013 9:31:31 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Nachum

I have been saying this for over a decade. Why wouldn’t they? Duh.


31 posted on 09/11/2013 9:32:23 PM PDT by RC one
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To: mylife

I’ve been a regular listener to Dr. Bill Wattenburg’s fine radio program....first locally here in the SF Bay Area and more recently nationally for decades. He’s out more of the see-airhead-club’s insane demands of the forest service than I care to remember.

The Yosemite fire isnt over YET but.had the forests been MANAGED....it would be.

I know that If I were a terrorist I would go after High Profile forests like those in Yellowstone ..and Yosemite


32 posted on 09/11/2013 9:38:09 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: RC one

Because it is ineffectual if local government is on the matter?

These forest fire problems are the result of piss poor forest management, and very few people die, it is just a lot of property damage.

It is not a Jihadi plot.


33 posted on 09/11/2013 9:38:57 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Never been to Yosemite, but I did live in Ca for a decade.

Fires are seasonal there.


34 posted on 09/11/2013 9:41:07 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

I hate the Sierra club.


35 posted on 09/11/2013 9:42:19 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Nachum

ELF (Earth Liberation Front) is a common perp in fires like this. FBI has been chasing them for 10+ years.

Eco Terrorists. Extreme Left nut cases. Totally wacko.

We had some attempted setting of fields afire several years ago.

Someone drove down the road and set several as they traveled. We managed to put them out before major damage was done, but never caught them.


36 posted on 09/11/2013 9:46:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: MeshugeMikey

Her is what Sierra clubbers do.

They shut down public land to dirt bikers/shooters and campers AFTER they have a place that they are concerned about and own that uses public spaces.

Then they get a law passed to shut down all the dirtbikers/shooters and campers siting noise and fires in court.

Then the court shuts down public access and the Sierra clubbers file another suit that says “Hey! you can’t stop ME from using this public land for egress and regress to MY land”

They demonize us shut us out and effectively gain 5,000 acres of land that they do not have to pay tax on.

Yeah, I know who the Jihadis are.


37 posted on 09/11/2013 9:54:08 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

From the mindless children they have out getting signatures so support one or another of their vile schemes to the well supported prime movers and their phalanx of shysters..the entire organization might as well be a MOB!


38 posted on 09/11/2013 9:54:24 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Texas Fossil

Read my next post.


39 posted on 09/11/2013 9:54:56 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Now you get it.

The liberal elite.


40 posted on 09/11/2013 9:56:12 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

They have been known to inspire farmers in CA’s central valley to give up hope of survival for the lack of water....that the see-airhead clubs actions have saved....for some Non Endangered Fishies.

They are thugs in suits!


41 posted on 09/11/2013 9:58:02 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey

BINGO


42 posted on 09/11/2013 9:58:42 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Yes, more protected Nuts.


43 posted on 09/11/2013 9:59:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: MeshugeMikey

Thugs doing drum circles on multi million dollar properties that they don’t pay tax on. LOL


44 posted on 09/11/2013 10:00:16 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

but of course...and they count on support from people as wacked as they are ....shopping at overpriced food stores....whole foods....etc..etc for “contributions”.

they all “live” happily ever after!

why is is that so many such Health Food Locations are crammed with leftist eco literature? wasnt HITLER a vegetartian??


45 posted on 09/11/2013 10:00:59 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: mylife

metrosexuals in the forest? not a pretty picture!


46 posted on 09/11/2013 10:01:47 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: Nachum
If the Muslims are setting the fires I doubt anyone will ever catch them. Everyone is too busy watching "dancing with the Stars" to worry about what's happening.

Think about it.. Already this year, 35,440 reported fires have burned a total of 3.9 million acres.. is that really coincidence?

47 posted on 09/11/2013 10:03:38 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Texas Fossil

You know?
I never understood Texas for like 10 years.
There was no public land.

I get it now, but I saw all the watermelons in Ca.
Watermelons don’t believe in property rights.
They say it all belongs to the community, while they set rules that rob you of your rights.

Libs aint dumb.
They are evil pricks but they aint dumb.


48 posted on 09/11/2013 10:05:32 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife
sadly Ive lived here since 1971, and am all too familiar with the fire season.

the current fire near Mt Diablo....and Mt Diablo State Park....another fairly well known Tourist Location....is currently at 3,200 acres !



Lovely sight just lovely! how about I re name it Mt Sierra Club State Fire Park?
49 posted on 09/11/2013 10:07:38 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: MeshugeMikey
Adolph was a non smoker too, He was worried about forest fires no doubt. ☺
50 posted on 09/11/2013 10:07:41 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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