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Putin to America: Youíre not special (and donít hit Syria)
msnbc ^ | Sept 11, 2013 | Clare Kim

Posted on 09/11/2013 9:37:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying he was worried about the “insufficient communication” between Russia and the United States, decided “to speak directly to the American people.”

In a new opinion piece for The New York Times, he made the case against military strikes in Syria, arguing that the potential conflict would “result in more innocent victims and escalation” and spread beyond Syria. The Russian leader tried to protect his ally (though he said he was motivated by respect for international law, not concern for Bashar al-Assad), by urging the U.S. not to bypass the United Nations Security Council.

“We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos,” Putin wrote.

“The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.”

Putin characterized the conflict in Syria, a longtime client state, as “an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country.”

The Russian president raised the specter of al Qaeda using Syria as a breeding ground for future terrorists. “There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations.”

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KEYWORDS: alqaeda; obama; putin; russia; syria
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1 posted on 09/11/2013 9:37:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

From comments:

>>>>Get Real 04commented 52 minutes ago
#6

The Last Word’s “discussion” of Putin and his op-Ed was appalling and left me wondering about your ability to offer any sort of thoughtful treatment of contemporary Russia. You are 2-3 decades behind the times. I am a professor of Russian politics at a major U.S.university, I have lived in Russia and have been regularly visiting it since 1982. I had the good fortune to be the 1st American to conduct an uncensored, live, across-theUSSR, call-in radio program in July 1989, and since then, countless Americans have been heard or read uncensored on TV, radio, and in newspapers. This is true for U.S. leaders and politicians, as well as academics and average citizens like me. To The Last Word’s sarcastic comment about President Obama being able to author an op-Ed in a Russian newspaper that would go uncensored I would reply: YES! Russians have access to our ideas and perspectives, even granting there are real problems with their media! Time to GET REAL about today’s Russia. Having just been in Russia a few weeks ago, I can tell you Russians are aware and upbeat, the middle class is growing, the IMF just moved Russia past Germany as the world’s #5 economy, and even the birthdate is up! We need to move beyond the sort of cartoon-character stereotyping of Russia that was dominant in today’s The Last Word presentation.
I am a regular viewer of The Last Word, I think it is the best political analysis program on American TV, and its treatment of American politics is sophisticated and nuanced. However, its treatment of Russia has been stunningly outdated ad primitive! I am so disappointed.
Watching The Last Word on 9/11/13 reminded me of watching Soviet tv news in September 1982. Russia is not the USSR, and Vladimir Putin is not Leonid Brezhnev!<<<<


2 posted on 09/11/2013 9:43:29 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Jim Robinson
Putin to America: You’re not special (and don’t hit Syria)

Publius911 to Putin : You're right.
Haven't been, for almost 5 years now. But that will change.
Check back around November 2016...

3 posted on 09/11/2013 9:45:15 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: cunning_fish; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
and even the birthdate is up!

That's right, it is up, the Russians who celebrated their birthdays during cold winter months during Communist times are celebrating them in July now.

4 posted on 09/11/2013 9:48:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

LOL, he was probably using his tablet or smartphone:)


5 posted on 09/11/2013 9:51:05 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin does an end-run around President Narcissus Obunga...

Putin is a lot smarter than Bork Obunga.


6 posted on 09/11/2013 9:53:58 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin’s an insincere bastard, but you have to give him credit. He’s trolling all of us with a cold, straight face. This article looks like it could be written by Barack Obama himself, circa 2007.


7 posted on 09/11/2013 9:54:34 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Jim Robinson

The only thing exceptional about America today is that we have a government that is running it into the ground. The rot never stops and almost every action is guaranteed to have us asking, What the eff?


8 posted on 09/11/2013 10:00:28 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Steel Wolf

Friends from Russia have told me that they refer to V. Putin as “Shark Eyes”. It’s that cold straight face...


9 posted on 09/11/2013 10:04:10 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITIZEN: BORN IN THE USA OFCITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Jim Robinson
Um, sorry Mr. President (Putin), America is special.

When we fail, the world fails. Badly.

Sadly, your nation and its predecessor succeeded in corrupting our institutions. You were part of those efforts, weren't you? The result: the low information voters who elected Obama twice.

Well, the whirlwind about to reap millions of lives across the world is partially your doing, Mr. Putin.

To bad we can turn back the clock, eh?

10 posted on 09/11/2013 10:06:50 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

Can’t turn back the clock. Sigh...


11 posted on 09/11/2013 10:07:39 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Jim Robinson

America used to be “exceptional.” But that was back before the country slid into the gutter of corrupt, one-party statism and a noxious culture of depravity. Socialism, fag-marriage, dope, and open-borders. America is a pathetic, embarrassing shell of what it used to be.


12 posted on 09/11/2013 10:09:08 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Jim Robinson

President Obama ,needed only to be reminded of Libya Still Struggles

Here’s a look at where things in Libya stand today:

Zeidan’s government appears to be on the verge of collapse. Critics say he has failed to rein in militias and Islamist groups, or to end a strike by workers and guards at oil facilities that has crippled the economy of North Africa’s largest oil producer.
Security

Security is still fragile. A car bomb went off Wednesday near the Foreign Ministry building in Benghazi. There have been drive-by shootings, bombings and kidnappings. The Washington Post reports:

“Even minor disputes escalate into frequent gun violence on the streets. Kidnappings and armed robberies are increasing, and government officials and others have been assassinated with guns and bombs. Militants and arms smugglers easily cross poorly protected borders shared with Niger and Chad.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/npr.php?id=221358412

Is Egypt repeating the same mistakes that led to its political impasse?
A body appointed by Egypt’s interim government to rewrite the country’s constitution met for the first time today. Critics are warning it looks set to repeat the mistakes of the past few years.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2013/0908/Is-Egypt-repeating-the-same-mistakes-that-led-to-its-political-impasse

Obama Destroyed Egypt,Obama Destroyed Libya.Now imagine if Obama fire missles into Syria ,he will have created another civil war there and nobody will know who are the good guys/bad guys. Obama should stop while he is behind.


13 posted on 09/11/2013 10:13:01 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: Steel Wolf; Jim Robinson

“Putin’s an insincere bastard, but you have to give him credit. He’s trolling all of us with a cold, straight face.”

When the Ex-KGB Officer President of Russia is undeniably holding the moral high ground against the Peace Prize-winning President of the United States, you know that we, as a nation, have completely screwed ourselves.

Putin is trying to send a message directly to the American people about how close Obama has pushed us to WW3. The problem is, the vast majority of the American People won’t be seeing it. It doesn’t fit with the Administration/Academic Radical Socialist/MediaMatters agenda.


14 posted on 09/11/2013 10:14:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: greene66

Oh, America is still exceptional. Still the economic center of the world economy. Still the most powerful military (by a LOT). We also feed over half of the world.

And we are infested with a totally ignorant and useless majority who elected Obama. Twice. Truly exceptional stupidity.

Finally, when we finally fully fail, the misery around the world will be beyond “exceptional.” Even many of the oligarchs won’t survive. In fact, it will be truly Biblical.


15 posted on 09/11/2013 10:17:19 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: AlanGreenSpam

Putin is a professional.

Obama does not even rate “rank amateur” status.


16 posted on 09/11/2013 10:18:26 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Ciexyz
The only thing exceptional about America today is that we have a government that is running it into the ground. The rot never stops and almost every action is guaranteed to have us asking, What the eff?

Absolutely...Many are finally realizing nearly every single problem in America today is caused by bloated, controlling corrupt government at every level.

17 posted on 09/11/2013 10:22:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jim Robinson

The funny thing about Putin saying that is that collectively we all know he’s full of s***

It kinda makes me feel better about the world.


18 posted on 09/11/2013 10:27:28 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

I think he knows it too.


19 posted on 09/11/2013 10:28:55 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: Jim Robinson

Putin doing to the United States what Ronald Reagan did to USSR.


20 posted on 09/11/2013 10:30:44 PM PDT by rdcbn
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It’s not the content of his message, but the fact he has a voice in America that is apparently recognized as an alternative to Obama’s. A politically recognized Statesman, none that we have, would seize upon this disparity and address the weakness and failure Obama has brought upon the Country.


21 posted on 09/11/2013 10:31:41 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Vlad is growing tired of dealing with schoolchildren.


22 posted on 09/11/2013 10:33:12 PM PDT by Paulie
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To: Jim Robinson
“The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.”

We helped create the beast, we accepted the terms and the UN Charter is "the law of the land". So, while we can pass all the authorizations we care to, that authorization will be a violation of US Law - I could care less about "international law" - and our soldiers would be operating under illegal orders.

So, if Obama is REALLY serious, he needs to quit the UN and renounce the charter. I hope he remembers though that NATO is only required to aid us if we are not the aggressor - me thinks we would be awfully alone. No JF'nK, France doesn't count.

23 posted on 09/11/2013 10:36:55 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: cunning_fish

What’s the point of sharing that comment?


24 posted on 09/11/2013 10:38:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: rdcbn

—Putin doing to the United States what Ronald Reagan did to USSR.

Brilliant analogy! Yes, Reagan addressed the Russian people directly. Putin has taken a page out of Reagan’s playbook.


25 posted on 09/11/2013 10:39:24 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: tcrlaf
Putin is trying to send a message directly to the American people about how close Obama has pushed us to WW3.

True. But it's interesting how facile these "world leaders" are - they all ride the sled down the mountain, refusing all opportunities to stop, and then just as the thing reaches the cliff they all dive off, demanding "rationality" and "rule of law."

Except Obozo, of course. They made sure he'd stay on by bolting his teleprompter to the sled. What a maroon.

26 posted on 09/11/2013 10:40:35 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: tcrlaf
Putin is trying to send a message directly to the American people about how close Obama has pushed us to WW3.

True. But it's interesting how facile these "world leaders" are - they all ride the sled down the mountain, refusing all opportunities to stop, and then just as the thing reaches the cliff they all dive off, demanding "rationality" and "rule of law."

Except Obozo, of course. They made sure he'd stay on by bolting his teleprompter to the sled. What a maroon.

27 posted on 09/11/2013 10:40:35 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Jim Robinson

For once: Putin’s right.


28 posted on 09/11/2013 10:42:12 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Putin might be insincere, as you say. But in just these two sentences:

“There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government.”

he speaks more truth than we’ve gotten from the Obama administration in five years.


29 posted on 09/11/2013 10:45:07 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

There’s no published evidence, that I’m aware of, the Syrian govt was responsible for the gas attack. And it doesn’t make sense for the Syrian govt to gas people. Such an action delegitimizes a govt that is clearly not interested in making more international enemies.

I’m in no way defending the bastard govt. Syria has clearly violated its citizens — recall the news about the boy that was publicly castrated and burned alive.

Now back to Benghazi and Egypt.


30 posted on 09/11/2013 10:47:06 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: kevao

I think the difference is that Putin is being insincere because it suits his needs, whereas Obama is simply incapable of sincerity.


31 posted on 09/11/2013 10:52:37 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Gene Eric

“A politically recognized Statesman, none that we have, would seize upon this disparity and address the weakness and failure Obama has brought upon the Country.”

Not unless they are ready to be called a “RACIST!!” on almost every news program, and celebrity Twitter feed.

Not unless they are ready to be confronted by constant, televised, demonstrations by busloads of paid SEIU/OFA/ACORN protestors at every stop.

Not unless they are ready to be mercilessly mocked, and have their reputation destroyed by jokes written for late-night comics by members of the gay media mafia.

Not unless they are ready to have their IRS records, Medical records, and NSA tapes “leaked” to willing Democrat sycophants in the mostly gay-run mainstream media.

It’s not the same world anymore, folks. And we wonder how an educated people like the Germans could have been led down the path of Nazism?? Just look around.


32 posted on 09/11/2013 11:03:18 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

>> Not unless...

Great points.


33 posted on 09/11/2013 11:10:13 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: publius911

“Putin to America: You’re not special”

Who says Obama and Putin can’t come to an agreement on anything?


34 posted on 09/12/2013 12:30:37 AM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: haroldeveryman

bump


35 posted on 09/12/2013 12:31:34 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: publius911
This article is from MSNBC ,a liberal propaganda outlet. I wonder what Putin actually said in his article as opposed to what MSNBC is saying he said.

MSNbc and the rest of the media don't report news they only post crap that advances socialism or helps democrats and Obama .ALL MSNBC wants to do is make obama the marxist muslim look good .if demonizing Putin as an enemy of America makes obama look good for now then that's what MSNBC will do

36 posted on 09/12/2013 12:32:47 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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“The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not.

Just like when he invaded Georgia?

Regardless, I'm enjoying a bit of schadenfreud watching him run rings around Obama and Kerry.

"Ass-kicking ex-KGB operative," indeed!

37 posted on 09/12/2013 2:01:32 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Jim Robinson

38 posted on 09/12/2013 2:09:08 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for writing Vlad...and thanks for giving our little dick tater a headache to last for eternity. But honestly..you owed it to the American people to help correct this misdirected ship, since your countries old 60’s KGB subversion tactics helped to grow us millions of little drug induced marxist spoiled brats.

That said, don’t think for a minute that you can now be “king” of America. Try to step into that role and the still exceptional, free, American people will give your cute little chest a titty twister to remember. Thanks again. And have a nice day.


39 posted on 09/12/2013 2:25:05 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: Gene Eric

Right on the mark... over the target... yup!


40 posted on 09/12/2013 2:29:47 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Gene Eric

The difference is that Putin, whether one agrees with him or not, is acting on the basis of what he thinks is best for his country, that is, on behalf of the interests of his country. Obama has never done that in any situation and in fact acts as if he never considers it and believes that he is in some way separate from his country (assuming that country is America...).

So I don’t see why people are snorting, “ yeah, right, Putin is only doing this to further Russian interests.” What’s wrong with that? It’s not an ulterior motive; it’s what the leader of a country is supposed to do.

But Obama started off with the proclaimed goal of reducing US importance and his “strategy” of never considering or even acknowledging US interests in any way is certainly achieving this goal, which is clear to people like Putin. Like him or not, Putin is defending the interests of his country.


41 posted on 09/12/2013 2:33:39 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

>> Putin is defending the interests of his country.

It’s probably written somewhere that people respect their enemies more than their indifferent selves...

We will recover, with scars, but we’ll recover.


42 posted on 09/12/2013 2:47:27 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, sure we’re special!

Next year, we and our children are all going to be sent 3-foot-tall trophies if we submit our income tax forms. Those who don’t, will get 2-foot-tall trophies and 10-20 years in prison.


43 posted on 09/12/2013 2:58:02 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Gene Eric

I hope so. Meanwhile, I wish the winged monkeys would come and carry off that blue-lipped fraud before he can do any more damage.

Of course, he even openly proclaimed on several occasions that he felt that American influence was too great and that the US had an overinflated view of itself that needed to be knocked down - and people voted for him a second time anyway. So the rot is pretty widespread already.


44 posted on 09/12/2013 3:36:59 AM PDT by livius
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To: Gene Eric

“We will recover, with scars, but we’ll recover.”..

We WILL BE SPECIAL once again but a different kind of America. Of course, it will require ridding ourselves of millions of demodummies and their muslim buddies, plus a few others who will remain unnamed.


45 posted on 09/12/2013 3:37:23 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Jim Robinson

Hey pootie... concentrate on obama and leave Americans alone or we will kick your ass again after we purge ourselves of an impacted DC turd.


46 posted on 09/12/2013 4:33:37 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: greene66

Don’t confuse the government for real Americans... those still pumping the sewage out of America’s bilge. If Americans were not exceptional, real America loving Americans... we would already be England. You saw a million exceptional Americans riding motorcycles in DC yesterday. THAT was exceptional.


47 posted on 09/12/2013 4:37:47 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: greene66; Jim Robinson
"....America used to be “exceptional.”..." and

Socialism, fag-marriage, dope, and open-borders. America is a pathetic, embarrassing shell of what it used to be.

She STILL is exceptional.

It's just SOME people that are screwed up, and are managing to screw things up for everyone else. And they can and will be thrown from office.

Colorado Recall just proved how exceptional we still are; where else on the planet can you non-violently REMOVE two buttheads from elected office when they force anti_Constitutional laws on the people??

Two Million Patriot Biker Ride-Through just proved how exceptional we still are - both for the act of Civil Disobedience they performed by IGNORING the permit-denial and the show of Americanism in the face of what was supposed to be a muslim middle finger to the rest of us (THAT fizzled... 25 of them showed up).

Weiner and Spitzer being shown the door - and the door hitting them in butt on the way out - proves that we are exceptional, and that there is STILL hope. Man, I was SO prepared to wake up yesterday morning and see that one or BOTH of those freakshow idiots had gotten back into office; it IS NYC, after all. But even those folks in that city can change.

No offense Green66, I just think you're wrong there. There's plenty of good when you look for it; we just tend to see - and FOCUS on - the crap - because it IS crap, and it's everywhere, and the purveyors of it are so gleefully in our face about it.

Taking back your Country - and your culture, traditions, history - the ESSENCE of America - begins with you.

In other words... ain't no Fat Lady singing just yet, brother...

48 posted on 09/12/2013 5:52:32 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Zerobozo, Kerry, McAnial, and Grahaministry are now totally irrelevant in the real world outside of the beltway.


49 posted on 09/12/2013 5:54:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: NFHale

I haven’t given up... yet. But I do admit that in the 25 dry, downward-spiralling years since the exhilaration and enthusiasm Reagan provided, only repeated for me once via Palin’s emergence, my questioning of what can be done, either politically or culturally to salvage America, has gradually been transitioning to a question as to whether America is indeed ‘worth’ saving anymore.

What the country has become... between the sheer deviancy of the American culture, demonstrating the country’s embrace of evil, symbolized by such deviancy as homo marriage, and the monstrous, out-of-control insanity of the government and its facilitation of a populace of dependent serfs... is a vomitous disgrace to everything America used to stand for.


50 posted on 09/12/2013 6:27:44 AM PDT by greene66
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