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NYT: A Plea for Caution From Russia: What Putin Has to Say to Americans About Syria
New York Times ^ | September 11, 2013 | Vladimir V. Putin

Posted on 09/12/2013 12:51:09 AM PDT by lbryce

MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; putineditorial; syria

Great article, Vlad!But Can You Do This? Hey, France, Germany! Vlad Wrote
A Great Ed-Op, But Can He Do This? Who You Gonna Trust More?
1 posted on 09/12/2013 12:51:10 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
He's one smart KGB cookie!

Not only has this POS ( I am referring to Putin), outperformed and clearly beaten the US, now he's engaging in classic PRAVDA propaganda backup to his policies.

He is on a roll and why shouldn't he be? He KO’d Obama, 30 seconds into Round One.

Now comes the direct appeal to the American people...to hell with you Putin and when you descend down to Hades, take the POTUS with you.

2 posted on 09/12/2013 12:57:39 AM PDT by Netz
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To: lbryce

Putin floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee.


3 posted on 09/12/2013 12:59:59 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: All

I see it now. Obama on Russian TV; My fellow Comrades....


4 posted on 09/12/2013 1:04:26 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: lbryce
. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation.

International politics makes for some strange positions. obamber arguing for American exeptionalism ?

Anyway, thats where vlady lost me.

5 posted on 09/12/2013 1:41:27 AM PDT by quimby
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To: lbryce

If only we had a leader.


6 posted on 09/12/2013 1:54:26 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: lbryce
Thanks for writing Vlad...and thanks for giving our little dick tater a headache to last for eternity. But honestly..you owed it to the American people to help correct this misdirected ship, since your countries old 60's KGB subversion tactics helped to grow us millions of little drug induced marxist spoiled brats.

That said, don't think for a minute that you can now be "king" of America. Try to step into that role and the still exceptional, free, American people will give your cute little chest a titty twister to remember. Thanks again. And have a nice day.

7 posted on 09/12/2013 2:10:49 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: lbryce
A few observations:

"This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world."

Putin is pointing the finger at the United States under the Obama Syndicate. The conflict in Syria is being fueled by U.S. supplied weapons. This is the area of illicit arms trafficking. It is this type of covert action that has set world opinion against the United States. There has been a move to curb the proliferation of military-style small arms to insurgent forces and other non-state actors. On 2 April 2013, the General Assembly adopted the landmark Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) to address the following:

"the international trade in conventional arms, from small arms to battle tanks, combat aircraft and warships. The treaty will foster peace and security by putting a stop to destabilising arms flows to conflict regions. It will prevent human rights abusers and violators of the law of war from being supplied with arms. And it will help keep warlords, pirates, and gangs from acquiring these deadly tools."

This is why Putin states,

"We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression."

I believe under the definition of "force" comes the idea of weapons proliferation. It is the heart of Fast and Furious, the Benghazi scandal and its coverup. It is this action by the Obama Syndicate that is out of step with UN law and it could wind up blowing up in Zer0's face.

" There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal."

I believe Vladimir Putin means to do good. I know he believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. His father was a communist and atheist, but his mother was a devoted Russian Orthodox Christian. She had Vladimir baptized as an infant, and he attended church with her often. He attends church on a regular basis. Contrast this with the Obama family who rarely attend church.

8 posted on 09/12/2013 2:19:00 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: lbryce
Very interesting.

I'm sure that Putin still misunderstands some things about the heart of American traditional beliefs.

However, it was a very mature and constructive communication.

Points made about who's who in terrorism are probably the most important part. It give credence to the Russian attempt to warn the US about the Boston bombers.

Not trashing Obama allows the American left to listen.

I see less posturing here than in nearly all American politicians, today.

9 posted on 09/12/2013 2:25:45 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: lbryce
Not a bad piece, though Putin is wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan. They are a mess now because of Obama the Clown.

Also, did he take a shot at Obama or America when he said this:

And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Far be it from me to think that Obama considers America "great"...on the contrary, I believe Obama hates the Constitution, Christianity and capitalism.

What makes America great are those three things, not in that order.

Putin is wrong to think America is not exceptional...we are. Obama is wrong because he says we are exceptional, because he says this only to stroke his ego.

10 posted on 09/12/2013 2:26:11 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: jonrick46

I agree with most of what you say...


11 posted on 09/12/2013 2:31:21 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Thank you. This should bring an amusing look at the situation:

Syria is Brer Zer0's Tar Baby . . .

The more Brer Zer0 pokes away at the Tar Baby, the more he will get stuck to it.

12 posted on 09/12/2013 2:43:01 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: lbryce

13 posted on 09/12/2013 2:46:18 AM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: lbryce

I reserve the right to oppose both Obama and Putin.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 2:49:10 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gun Control Haiku: Say "Registration" / And they call you paranoid / So say "Privacy")
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To: SoFloFreeper
Putin is wrong to think America is not exceptional...we are. Obama is wrong because he says we are exceptional, because he says this only to stroke his ego.

Yes, Putin misunderstands what American exceptionalism is, and Obama is the epitome of that arrogance and self righteousness.

Putin may think Obama is representative of America, God help us.

15 posted on 09/12/2013 2:53:29 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Daffynition

His OP-Ed wouldn’t get his picture in Times Square, let alone right next to Lincoln.


16 posted on 09/12/2013 2:53:35 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: Haiku Guy

Well, why not? They’re both on the same team.


17 posted on 09/12/2013 2:54:30 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: 1035rep
If only we had a leader.

We're the leadership there actually is. If you're waiting for something more charismatic, you're probably going to be disappointed.

18 posted on 09/12/2013 2:54:43 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Maybe Putin thinks Obama isn’t exceptional. I would agree with that.


19 posted on 09/12/2013 4:13:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

He sure ain’t American.


20 posted on 09/12/2013 4:24:32 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: jonrick46
"the international trade in conventional arms, from small arms to battle tanks, combat aircraft and warships. The treaty will foster peace and security by putting a stop to destabilising arms flows to conflict regions. It will prevent human rights abusers and violators of the law of war from being supplied with arms. And it will help keep warlords, pirates, and gangs from acquiring these deadly tools."

This position also locks in the status quo; it ensures that those in power remain in power and that the ability to replace a repressive regime is removed from the hands of the people.

Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing.

21 posted on 09/12/2013 5:05:52 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Netz; P-Marlowe
What I didn't like about the letter was: (1) any reference to obedience to international, UN law. The US is a sovereign nation, and we'll act in our own best interest, the UN be damned. (2) all the suspicion raising sections regarding "peace": Israel, Palestinians, Syria, etc. Putin is acting in Russia's self-interest, and at this point we know they side with their long-time Arab clients. (3) American exceptionalism is not about being better than anyone else, it is about our unique history and aspiration for real freedom.

What I did like about the letter: (1) The mention of God: it's refreshing to see a former head of KGB appealing to God, whether he meant it or not. (2) The insistence that the rebels are Islamic fundamentalist jihadists. I agree with that, and I know that supporting them is signing a death warrant for Syrian Christians, and signing a license to attack Israel in the future, and to give them control of vast quantities of WMDs which they will use against their enemies, the US being their major enemy. (3) The acknowledgement that Obama has screwed this up. He has. Royally.

22 posted on 09/12/2013 5:08:44 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Earthdweller

ROTFLMAO!!!! Well put!


23 posted on 09/12/2013 5:20:45 AM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: lbryce
O hey! Ya think Putin doesn't look at Amerika with a wistful eye that sees how it is more Bolshevik than his own fatherland? WWSD? [WhatWouldStalinDo?]

Wait 'til the word breaks that Vlad is looking for real estate on Central Park West?


24 posted on 09/12/2013 5:33:19 AM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: Daffynition

LOL. 1.(WWSD?) 2. Let’s Party, Comrades!


25 posted on 09/12/2013 5:40:21 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1142 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: lbryce

Putin’s Op-Ed and “appeal to the American people” says out loud what US State-controlled media dare not utter: Obama is too stupid to be U.S. President and an international leader. It is dangerous when an idiot takes the controls. It is very dangerous indeed when an idiot at the controls believes he is a genius.

Putin is no stranger to arrogance, but his is based on ruthless intelligence and longterm personal success. How galling it must be to see Obama strut about, chin jutted Il Duce-style, proclaiming himself exceptional, while he knows nothing about diplomacy and hypocritically jettisons the “international concensus” he used to champion whenever it disagrees with his jihadi agenda.

US arrogation of a unilateral right, even an obligation, to attack countries that suppress internal minorities (e.g., Chechens; Islamic militants) or even use WMD within their own borders, would be seen as an existential threat by Putin, and by China (which systematically suppresses Tibetans and Uighurs). Were Obama and Kerry too dim to know that before starting this fiasco? Do they have no experienced advisors? Or are they too arrogant to listen?


26 posted on 09/12/2013 5:43:00 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Daffynition

So you really think Putin is on par with Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, and Roosevelt? Really?


27 posted on 09/12/2013 5:50:15 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: lbryce
McAinal, Grahaministry are now even more irrelevant than their buddies Obozo the Liar and Kerry.

Zerobozo, Kerry, McAnial, and Grahaministry are now totally irrelevant in the real world outside of the beltway.


28 posted on 09/12/2013 5:51:08 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: lbryce

The chess player is taking the High Moral Ground and making Obama look like a the fool he is, and Obama can’t call him a Racist. We are being regulated to death, invaded by millions who are breaking our immigration laws but I dare not even get a parking ticket. And I’m sick and tired of being lied to, thieved from, and being spied on!


29 posted on 09/12/2013 5:55:08 AM PDT by jacob allen
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To: Haiku Guy

Right. Exactly right.
When enemies fight the best
course is to let them.


30 posted on 09/12/2013 5:55:10 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: lbryce

He has no respect whatsoever for Obama and this translates to no respect for the US.

Putin would never have written such editorial when GW Bush was president.


31 posted on 09/12/2013 6:16:09 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

GWB wasn’t as arrogant and stupid as our present occupant of the white house.

There wouldn’t have been a need for Putin to write a letter like that to GWB.


32 posted on 09/12/2013 6:20:44 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: lbryce
I can't disagree with anything the man said.

And I disagree with Drudge's bi-line. I do not believe he was mocking the US - I would expect any non American to hold the same opinion concerning American exceptionalism.

33 posted on 09/12/2013 6:25:15 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: quimby

In a way he is correct. We have fags all in our faces and the military, queer marriage, exploding debt, gutting our defense, porous borders, heavy tax burdens, half our population on welfare, our achievements now are social media widgets as opposed to putting men on the moon, industry is shrinking... Compared to what we were in the 80’s or before we have lost a lot.

However, I will only say to him if we are so bad why does everyone want to come here? (Inside I know that most just want a free ride)


34 posted on 09/12/2013 6:27:50 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: skeeter

I think Putin, while seeing the US as a rival (not as necessarily an enemy), truly is concerned about what he sees happening in the West....the guy is a fan of Solzhenitsyn, who tried to warn us about the decline of the West.


35 posted on 09/12/2013 6:28:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: skeeter

Russia is an oppressive government. America isn’t far behind. Anytime a government becomes as massive as America’s government has, it will be oppressive and over-reaching.

We win a few skirmishes to beat it back and we celebrate, but it doesn’t even register as it is so massive. We’re throwing pebbles in an ocean.

American exceptionalism might return if we toss out most of our institutions. Toss 75% of government, government schools, government colleges, welfare, dependence on government in general.


36 posted on 09/12/2013 6:38:30 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: quimby

I can see what Vlad is trying to do here: Obama has repeatedly Knocked American exceptionalism and said it’s no big deal and Americans will have to accept that we’re not the top country in the world anymore.

He has simply used Obozo’s words against him, daring him to disagree and flip flop once again. Putin plays chess while our POS plays cards with Reggie Lover.


37 posted on 09/12/2013 6:57:35 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: JerseyDvl

“while our POS plays cards with Reggie Lover.”

Is that what they call it now? I learn a new euphemism every day. ;)


38 posted on 09/12/2013 7:08:09 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: lbryce
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes...

Putin is totally right on the above statement... Please God, let Hillary, Kerry and all the other liberal idiots understand the above truth...

39 posted on 09/12/2013 8:25:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts - Churchill)
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To: jonrick46
I believe under the definition of "force" comes the idea of weapons proliferation. It is the heart of Fast and Furious, the Benghazi scandal and its coverup. It is this action by the Obama Syndicate that is out of step with UN law and it could wind up blowing up in Zer0's face.

Well, 'Fast and Furious' was used against the American right - but other than that the tactics are similar...

40 posted on 09/12/2013 8:37:58 AM PDT by GOPJ (Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts - Churchill)
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To: reagandemocrat

Let’s see: who was it that invaded and killed their neighboring countries, and tried to conquer the world by force? Hmmmm, was it the Evil Russian Soviets?

And who was it that stopped these Evil Bastards? Hmmm, was it the Exceptional Americans?

F YOU PUTIN!


41 posted on 09/12/2013 9:08:05 AM PDT by privatedrive
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To: xzins
American exceptionalism is not about being better than anyone else, it is about our unique history and aspiration for real freedom.

Putin is correct about exceptionalism based on the false, jingoistic way in which Obama described it. Putin is calling Obama on Obama's own shallowness. I don't think that Obama even understands what American exceptionalism is. He views it with disdain as moral superiority, with which he let his speechwriter run wild. Putin understands, however, and hangs Obama with his own words. No offense was intended to American patriots. This was just some business he had with Obama.

42 posted on 09/12/2013 9:26:47 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: lbryce

The US Left is going nuts over this.

He has dared to speak some truth about Obama, and that simply cannot be allowed.


43 posted on 09/12/2013 9:26:47 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: lbryce

Putin takes leadership role. Putin makes Bambi look like a chump. Lots of headlines here.


44 posted on 09/12/2013 10:33:56 AM PDT by Lent
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To: privatedrive

Dude. People can change. Countries can change (we know to well).


45 posted on 09/12/2013 12:11:31 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: DoodleDawg
Since when did satire become a crime around here? Paleeze. Really. "There is no spoon."


46 posted on 09/12/2013 12:56:51 PM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: xzins

Putin funds Islamic nutcases everywhere except within Russia and republics that attack Russians, then, he is merciless but don’t worry, all that Russian aid and Nukes for Iran will come back to haunt the SOB when they turn on Moscow...


47 posted on 09/13/2013 3:29:21 AM PDT by Netz
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