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Unfazed by Colorado recalls, California lawmakers press on with gun-control bills
San Jose Mercury ^ | 09/11/2013 | Josh Richman and Mike Rosenberg

Posted on 09/12/2013 6:09:18 AM PDT by artichokegrower

SACRAMENTO -- A day after furious Coloradans recalled two state senators who voted for new gun laws, California lawmakers pressed ahead with their own agenda Wednesday aimed at giving the Golden State the strictest gun control in the country.

Colorado's recall elections and California's rush to pass gun bills in the final week of its legislative session quickly reignited the national debate over balancing public safety with constitutional rights.

The Colorado votes sent a Rocky Mountain chill down the spines of lawmakers in other battleground states, but those in bright blue California seemed unfazed.

"I don't see anybody switching teams here," said Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, chairman of the Assembly Public Safety Committee.

Assemblywoman Shannon Grove, R-Bakersfield, seemed resigned to the Democratic-controlled Legislature passing a slew of new gun laws, but held out hope that Gov. Jerry Brown will shoot many of them down with his veto pen. "I just pray to God that Jerry Brown is the savior of the Second Amendment in this state," she said.

Among the most controversial bills, Senate Bill374 by state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento -- which would ban all semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines -- passed the Assembly on a 44-31 vote late Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: bakersfield; banglist; california; colorado; darrellsteinberg; democrats; guncontrol; jerrybrown; liberalfascism; rapeofliberty; sacramento; sanfrancisco; secondamendment; senatebill374; shannongrove; tomammiano
So my Ruger 10/22 is illegal and I am a criminal for owning one.
1 posted on 09/12/2013 6:09:18 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
"I just pray to God that Jerry Brown is the savior of the Second Amendment in this state," she said.

Isn't that more of an anvil than a flotation device?

2 posted on 09/12/2013 6:12:57 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: artichokegrower

> So my Ruger 10/22 is illegal and I am a criminal for owning one.

That’s the way they want it. You know to get us all in line and ready for the new world order per U.N. Agenda 21 guidelines which will all convert us into Total Recall and Demolition Man type citizens.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand


3 posted on 09/12/2013 6:13:57 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: artichokegrower; Joe Brower; Myrddin

I’m very glad that I left Mexikalifornistan for North Florida.


4 posted on 09/12/2013 6:14:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: artichokegrower
So my Ruger 10/22 is illegal and I am a criminal for owning one.

As I understand it, it will be illegal to sell or transfer a Ruger 10/22 in California, but not to own one that you legally possessed prior to the adoption of the law in question. Mind you, you will have to register it with the CA government as a dreaded "assault weapon" or you will be a criminal.

5 posted on 09/12/2013 6:15:49 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: artichokegrower; vette6387; Nachum; sheik yerbouty; celtic gal; Jim Robinson

Colorado MUST become the national model on how to clean the political sewers everywhere. If not, welcome to slavery for yourselves and your children and grandchildren. The endeavor takes American patriots with spine and guts which is lacking in DC on every level.


6 posted on 09/12/2013 6:16:35 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: artichokegrower

Apparently you crossed the “red line” by owning a 10/22. Maybe they’ll just mini-bomb you if you are ever seen with it. I guess my wife can’t take her’s across the state line now either. As long as LA, SF, Oakland and the other major pop centers hold the majority of the votes, the good law abiding outliers will be subjugated by the brilliant pols in charge. Sad for such a beautiful state.


7 posted on 09/12/2013 6:22:50 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: artichokegrower

Hey, you have to ask yourself why do you need one? (Yes that’s sarcasm) The libs think no one needs a firearm (wrong) so no one should be allowed to own one. (Wrong again) The libs would be happy if we all took up their hobbies - planning gay pride events and getting on our knees for Muslims. Not happening libs!


8 posted on 09/12/2013 6:40:26 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: artichokegrower

“California lawmakers pressed ahead with their own agenda Wednesday”

The politicians in California have nothing to worry about. There aren’t going to be any recalls over gun control.


9 posted on 09/12/2013 6:42:12 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: artichokegrower
They tell me Mexico has their eye on annexing California, via the Aztlan movement.

I say, turn it over now. It's certainly not America.

10 posted on 09/12/2013 6:43:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: artichokegrower

Not that it matters much, but during one of the modifications to the bill they exempted rimfires. So your 10/22 is ok for now......but God help you if it is a centerfire semi auto....

And just think, in the last few years Californians have bought tons of AR/AK type rifles with the helps of the bullet button work around, and those sheeple are not going to be happy when they find out they just spent $1k or so to become a felon overnight!


11 posted on 09/12/2013 6:43:49 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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You will be harassed whenever you are seen with the gun, though. You will be asked to prove that it’s grandfathered. Busy bodies who see you with it will call the police.


12 posted on 09/12/2013 6:44:17 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: walkingdead

The busy bodies won’t know a rim fire from a pin fire...

They will see a semi-auto with a detachable magazine, and make it their business to have you harassed.


13 posted on 09/12/2013 6:45:45 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

“The busy bodies won’t know a rim fire from a pin fire...

They will see a semi-auto with a detachable magazine, and make it their business to have you harassed.”

Isn’t that the truth! BTW, I’m actually somewhat surprised that anyone even knows what a pin fire is anymore..... when I grew up you would’ve been ridiculed for the common day persons lack of gun knowledge.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 6:48:11 AM PDT by walkingdead (It's easy, you just don't lead 'em as much....)
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To: artichokegrower

The Colorado recalls sent aloud message,but these pols couldnt seem to hear.I guess we have to get louder.


15 posted on 09/12/2013 6:56:56 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
"I just pray to God that Jerry Brown is the savior of the Second Amendment in this state," she said.

The so-called thought processes of some people are very strange.

16 posted on 09/12/2013 7:04:48 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Muzzie killing muzzie what's the downside and who am I to stop them ?)
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Why are there never any federal court challenges to all this anti-American crap they do in CA?


17 posted on 09/12/2013 7:22:58 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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And in 1982 voters in Cali voted down a ban on handguns(Prop 15). Since that day the legislature of cali has been working overtime to find a way around the will of the people.

Side note. Since they could not ban handguns, they went for semi-auto rifles! The first proposed law also banned SOME LEVER ACTION WINCHESTER RIFLES. Neal Knox was the one who spilled the beans on this.

So Cali modified the law, and set it on the shelf. Then they released Pat Purdy from a mental institution (seventh time), allowed him to buy a handgun in Cali, even passed the waiting period, got an AK-47 out of state, then shot up the school in Stockton Ca. The bill was immediately brought out, and before any opposition could be mounted passed it into law.

It has been downhill for gun owners in Cali since.


18 posted on 09/12/2013 7:25:53 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: walkingdead

“and ban use of lead ammunition in hunting.”

Guess I will be switching to depleted uranium with my reloads.


19 posted on 09/12/2013 7:35:47 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: Lazamataz

CA hasn’t been America for a long time.


20 posted on 09/12/2013 7:44:37 AM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: artichokegrower
California is the communists capitol of America. Living in the land of illegals, Democrats, and communists is frighting.
21 posted on 09/12/2013 8:25:47 AM PDT by Logical me
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Obadiah said: "Why are there never any federal court challenges to all this anti-American crap they do in CA?"

There are several federal court challenges to Kalifornia's infringements. They are tied up in the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals.

Based on an expectation that the Nordyke case would clarify the application of the Second Amendment to Kalifornia, the Ninth Circus held up several cases waiting for a decision in Nordyke.

Nordyke was also delayed, I think, by the Heller and McDonald decisions which changed the criteria that the Ninth Circus must use in deciding Second Amendment cases.

After about ten years of litigation in Nordyke, Alameda County basically folded on their prohibition against having gun shows on county property as long as potential customers were not allowed to handle the guns ( or some such nonsense).

Now the several cases which were waiting on Nordyke have to be prepared to argue from scratch regarding the Second Amendment since the Nordyke outcome didn't result in a clear decision as to how the right to keep and bear arms should apply in Kalifornia.

If I have misstated any of this I welcome correction.

At least one sheriff is being sued to overturn "may issue" of concealed carry permits. The state laws defining "assault weapons" are being challenged as unlawfully vague by a plaintiff that has been arrested TWICE for possession of a rifle which was NOT an "assault weapon". Another case argues the unconstitutionality of the gun roster which limits gun purchasers to only handguns which have been approved by the State.

There may be others which I have lost track of. I think the oral arguments before the Ninth Circus was almost a year ago on one of these cases. For this reason, I think it likely that cases from other states will reach the Supreme Court before any of the Kalifornia cases.

22 posted on 09/12/2013 9:39:19 AM PDT by William Tell
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CA hasn’t been America for a long time.

By area, 7/10 of California still is. It's the coastal cities that are killing us.

23 posted on 09/12/2013 9:49:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: William Tell
Many thanks for the info. Good to know. Very frustrating that we are essentially refighting the Revolutionary War this time from the Marxists. Again, where is Congress? I understand the 14th Amendment, but at some point it seems the feds should step up and enforce the Constitution and not allow citizens to be constantly harassed and bullied.
24 posted on 09/12/2013 9:52:43 AM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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Obadiah said: "Again, where is Congress?"

The U.S. Senate is in the hands of anti-gun liberals and the Executive Branch is controlled by communists.

With the Heller and McDonald decisions it seems to me that Congress could exercise some control over infringements. That would not necessarily be a good thing at this time.

25 posted on 09/12/2013 9:56:08 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Kip Russell
you will have to register it with the CA government as a dreaded "assault weapon" or you will be a criminal.

Then I would be a criminal. There shall be no ex post facto laws.
26 posted on 09/12/2013 1:25:38 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: artichokegrower

Serious question. What is the point of even trying to be a law abiding citizen when they make these ridiculous laws? Each time you obey their law, they come back in another year with a more onerous law.

They are not trying to stop criminals; they are trying to criminalize law abiding citizens. F them.


27 posted on 09/12/2013 1:27:32 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Obadiah
Why are there never any federal court challenges to all this anti-American crap they do in CA?

I agree, it appears California is exempt from the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. When do we have standing as discriminated US citizens?
28 posted on 09/13/2013 12:28:19 PM PDT by TauntedTiger (Keep away from the fence!)
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