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The efficient choice among combustion engines
Phys.Org ^ | 09-12-2013 | by Claudia Naegeli

Posted on 09/12/2013 8:20:16 AM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 09/12/2013 8:20:17 AM PDT by Red Badger
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2 posted on 09/12/2013 8:21:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Red Badger

This doesn’t sound practical to me.

(1) Carbon build up will eventually cause pre-det issues with the natural gas being sucked in through the intake stroke, as the engine ages.

(2) Have to put two fuels in your car, granted it won’t be a lot of diesel all told, still annoying.

More practical would be if they had figured out a reliable injector pump design that could inject CNG into the cylinders at the required pressures for diesel ignition of natural gas. That is probably a very tough problem though... mechanically speaking. Also, increasing engine robustness while reducing weight, to handle the higher compression ratios required (ethanol takes 23:1, I’d expect natural gas to be somewhere between ethanol and diesel... have not looked this up).


3 posted on 09/12/2013 8:39:10 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Red Badger
I worked on partial Propane injection for a while about 10 years ago.

A sensor that measures pressure in the cylinders plays a key part...

...aaaand there's one of the major technical hurdles, at least as I'm aware of. I haven't looked into it in a while. That pressure sensor is going to see on the order of 100 million pressure cycles over the life of the engine. That's a lot.

4 posted on 09/12/2013 8:43:10 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Red Badger
This corresponds to fuel consumption of less than 2.4 l per 100 km.

2.41 what per 100 km?

5 posted on 09/12/2013 8:43:46 AM PDT by saminfl
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2.4 LITERS, That’s an ‘L’ not a ‘1”.........


6 posted on 09/12/2013 8:47:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: saminfl
If its Europe it must be Liters

And in the years prior to invention of petroleum fueled engines....machinery (pumps and lifts for coal mines) were fueled by pulverized coal.

7 posted on 09/12/2013 8:49:52 AM PDT by spokeshave (While Zero plays silly card games like Spades - Putin plays for keeps.)
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To: Red Badger

It doesn’t look to me like they’ve solved an important issue in natural gas-diesel engines. Surprisingly, it’s soot. Liquid fuel disperses quite evenly in a diesel combustion chamber. Gas doesn’t disperse evenly. This leaves pockets of gas rich zones which have insufficient oxygen, and create soot. You know, the black stuff you see coming from diesel trucks when they accelerate. It seems like some in the “Green” community don’t like this.


8 posted on 09/12/2013 8:52:05 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Red Badger
There are several new kinds of IC engines in the wings, two of which are unusually interesting:

http://www.angellabsllc.com

http://ecomotors.com

9 posted on 09/12/2013 8:59:42 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Aqua225
(2) Have to put two fuels in your car, granted it won’t be a lot of diesel all told, still annoying.

We have "dual fuel" trucks in the US, that run on natural gas or diesel. While there's natural gas, it runs with gas plus a little diesel. When the natural gas tank is empty, it runs on pure diesel. This is a more practical arrangement until the natural gas infrastructure is built up better.

10 posted on 09/12/2013 9:06:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To calculate the CO2 emission from a fuel the carbon content of the fuel must be multiplied with the ratio of molecular weight CO2 (44) to the molecular weight Carbon 12 -> 44 / 12 = 3.7

Carbon Dioxide emission can be calculated as

qCO2 = cf / hf CCO2/Cm (1)

where

qCO2 = specific CO2 emission (CO2/kWh)

cf = specific carbon content in the fuel (kgC/kgfuel)

hf = specific energy content (kWh/kgfuel)

Cm = specific mass Carbon (kg/mol Carbon)

CCO2 = specific mass Carbon Dioxide (kg/mol CO2)


11 posted on 09/12/2013 9:09:24 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: varmintman

Angel Labs has a very old engine concept. Probably doomed to wankel status.

Not sure about the other design from EcoMotors. Looks very interesting. Submarine and some locomotive motors used that opposed piston tech, just not the opposed cylinder part.

The motors that were so reliable in subs, were never really popular in locomotives, they tended not to hold up in over the road use.


12 posted on 09/12/2013 9:13:38 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Aqua225
The Angellabs engine is not old.

http://www.angellabsllc.com/resourse.html

Best is to download the excel demo and watch it.

13 posted on 09/12/2013 9:16:11 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Jack of all Trades

“...aaaand there’s one of the major technical hurdles, at least as I’m aware of. I haven’t looked into it in a while. That pressure sensor is going to see on the order of 100 million pressure cycles over the life of the engine. That’s a lot.”

Piezo might be able to do it.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 9:17:19 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Red Badger

Thanks.


15 posted on 09/12/2013 9:32:47 AM PDT by saminfl
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To: varmintman

No disrespect: but lookup Otto Lutz and the swing piston engine. Old news, terrible design, all the Wankel sealing issues. The Wankel is dead for a reason, and the swing piston engine has not seen a commercial application yet.


16 posted on 09/12/2013 9:36:13 AM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Red Badger
Researchers at ETH Zurich have developed an internal combustion engine that emits less than half the CO2 compared to a regular engine without compromising performance.

And in a world where CO2 emissions don't matter because AGW is no longer an issue, we need to concentrate on the highest possible efficiency, regardless of the CO2 levels.

Lowering CO and NOX I can understand...

17 posted on 09/12/2013 9:42:14 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: The Antiyuppie

That’s what we use - Kistler. They’re pricey and finicky. Not sure how well they last in continuous use. Not saying 100e6 + cycles isn’t possible. I just think it’s dicey for a low cost automotive part.


18 posted on 09/12/2013 9:47:37 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Aqua225

Not even close, the swing-piton engine is a reciprocating engine, the Angellabs engine is not. Download the excel file and watch it.


19 posted on 09/12/2013 9:53:43 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Aqua225

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0XTU7gCZV4


20 posted on 09/12/2013 9:57:55 AM PDT by varmintman
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