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Some Pittsburghers cited for parking in driveways
Associated Press ^ | Sep 12, 2013 11:35 AM EDT

Posted on 09/12/2013 9:19:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Some Pittsburghers are being ticketed or warned not to park in their own driveways under an obscure ordinance that requires them to pay $225 for a permit if they wish to park within 30 feet of a street.

Some residents have complained about the tickets and warnings, which are issued by the city’s Bureau of Building Inspection.

The agency is caught in the middle, contend John Jennings, its acting chief. …

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1 posted on 09/12/2013 9:19:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The agency is caught in the middle

Indeed. The city is caught in the middle between the city and the citizens. It's a shame, but what can you do?

2 posted on 09/12/2013 9:22:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Olog-hai

Touted to us as an example of a Democrat run city that really works - yeah right!


3 posted on 09/12/2013 9:22:39 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Olog-hai

The bureau doesn’t issue tickets unless residents complain and, often, those complaints aren’t prompted by people who park in driveways but by those who create cement or gravel parking pads in front of their homes.

And the real story comes out. It always does when you read. I can just imagine the mess they make and obviously the neighbors who pay a mortgage and property taxes don’t want to see a bunch of cars next door.


4 posted on 09/12/2013 9:24:53 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: Olog-hai

What about Driving on parkways?..............


5 posted on 09/12/2013 9:25:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Can’t judicial revue negate the rule ?


6 posted on 09/12/2013 9:25:36 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

If one could find a Judge inclined to rule against the entity that pays his/her salary, yes.


7 posted on 09/12/2013 9:30:25 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: napscoordinator

Thank you for the non-FReeper perspective in favor of government ticketing of vehicles parked in the owner’s driveway.


8 posted on 09/12/2013 9:34:24 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Olog-hai

Just insane.


9 posted on 09/12/2013 9:38:07 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Olog-hai

By and large I have no sympathy for them; they keep voting this type of crap in, over and over and over...


10 posted on 09/12/2013 9:47:51 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: napscoordinator
The bureau doesn’t issue tickets unless residents complain and, often, those complaints aren’t prompted by people who park in driveways but by those who create cement or gravel parking pads in front of their homes.

In my town we have people who literally park on the sidewalk in front of their house, no created cement or gravel pads, just the sidewalk, it is a site to see.

11 posted on 09/12/2013 9:49:21 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: napscoordinator

It seems to me that someone should be allowed to park in his/her own driveway or on their own property without getting a ticket. They ALSO pay property taxes and might have mortgages. What do you think should be the limit on the number of cars that can be parked next door? How should this be enforced?


12 posted on 09/12/2013 9:51:24 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Olog-hai

how I feel about this depends on what were the rules when these people bought these homes?

If they bought the homes after such a law was passed then it’s fine.

However if they bought their homes then then this law was passed, that’s a whole other matter.

I personally HATE people who park in their driveways. Nothing trashes up a neighborhood more than people who park in their driveways and/or the street. Especially when they have a perfectly good garage, but can’t use because they have filled it will a bunch of crap.

Nothing screams bad neighborhood quite like cars parked in the driveways. Always drive through any neighborhood your thinking of moving to after 5pm to ensure it’s not that kind of neighborhood.


13 posted on 09/12/2013 9:54:05 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

I tend to agree but I’m guessing the anti rat voters are outnumbered by the feral urbanites who only drive a car when they carjack one.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 9:59:48 AM PDT by soycd
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“I personally HATE people who park in their driveways. Nothing trashes up a neighborhood more than people who park in their driveways and/or the street. Especially when they have a perfectly good garage, but can’t use because they have filled it will a bunch of crap.

Nothing screams bad neighborhood quite like cars parked in the driveways. Always drive through any neighborhood your thinking of moving to after 5pm to ensure it’s not that kind of neighborhood.

Ok, with all due respect, that has got to be the most insane thing I’ve read on FR in a loooong while.

Parking in a driveway makes a neighborhood “trashy”? So if you have a home with no garage, and you own more than one car, or maybe the garage is a workshop, then it’s a sign of a bad neighborhood?


15 posted on 09/12/2013 10:02:22 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I personally HATE people who park in their driveways. Nothing trashes up a neighborhood more than people who park in their driveways and/or the street.

Are you kidding? And you have the gall to call yourself a freeper? You're certainly NOT a conservative. You sound more like a pompous, elitist snob! I bet you just cringe at play/swing sets in the backyard. How about fences....do you hate those too?

16 posted on 09/12/2013 10:02:38 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Don’t these people have a garage for their cars?

We have a HOA rule that residents cannot park on the street in front of their home nor can any cars remain on the street overnight. Primary reason is that our street simply is not wide enough for fire or emergency vehicles if cars are parked there. But it isn’t policed except by other neighbors.

The family at the end of the street did have a fire a couple of years ago during the early hours of the morning and one of the chronic rule breakers had parked their cars on the street, not in their very long driveway or garage. The fire trucks had to wait until the street was cleared and the homeowners suffered additional damage to their home because of the delay. Their homeowners insurance company did file a suit against the street parkers and did win.


17 posted on 09/12/2013 10:05:12 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Olog-hai

You don’t own your property. You are just allowed to use it while the government says you can, and how the government says you can. But you pay for it, and the taxes too.


18 posted on 09/12/2013 10:05:33 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: VanDeKoik

“I personally HATE people who park in their driveways. Nothing trashes up a neighborhood more than people who park in their driveways and/or the street. Especially when they have a perfectly good garage, but can’t use because they have filled it will a bunch of crap.

Nothing screams bad neighborhood quite like cars parked in the driveways. Always drive through any neighborhood your thinking of moving to after 5pm to ensure it’s not that kind of neighborhood.

Ok, with all due respect, that has got to be the most insane thing I’ve read on FR in a loooong while.

Parking in a driveway makes a neighborhood “trashy”? So if you have a home with no garage, and you own more than one car, or maybe the garage is a workshop, then it’s a sign of a bad neighborhood?

Someone didn’t include the /S Geeeesh


19 posted on 09/12/2013 10:15:06 AM PDT by Rannug
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To: NEMDF
I have 6 driven cars in my household. 5 driven daily and 1 spare. I was parking 4 in my driveway until after some 15 years, I began getting tickets for blocking the sidewalk(new law), even though there was plenty of concrete behind the cars to stay off the grass and out of the street.

So 2 more to park on the street. Well, a Neighborhood Watch lady took offense to my 56 Chevy being parked on “Her Street” and began calling the police, stating it hadn't been moved in 24 hours(the law).

It was getting so ridiculous that I was having to photograph my truck everytime I moved it for evidence.
The police were knocking on the door every day!
I had just instructed the family to start recording evidence of each police visit to see if we could go after a Harrasment offence, when the police came out three times in one day.

That was it! I put the word out to tell that so&so to cut it out!

No more problems, except sometimes we still get the occasional ticket for blocking the sidewalk.

Ain't civilization grand?

20 posted on 09/12/2013 10:28:08 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: TexasFreeper2009

How about the guy who parks his 21 foot fishing boat in the driveway?
I applaud CC&R’s that our community has?
How about parking commercial vehicles in the driveway like plumber’s truck.
It’s a residential property not a parking lot. Go rent a space at the storage lot for your toys


21 posted on 09/12/2013 10:57:25 AM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Nothing screams bad neighborhood quite like cars parked in the driveways.

You really should move to a neighborhood with a really strong HOA so you can get yourself elected to its board and enforce all your petty little likes and dislikes on your neighbors.

22 posted on 09/12/2013 10:58:25 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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To: Notary Sojac
You really should move to a neighborhood with a really strong HOA so you can get yourself elected to its board and enforce all your petty little likes and dislikes on your neighbors.

Yeah, the neighbors who chose, freely, to submit themselves to the same rules I do?

Yep, that's what I did (well, not the get on the board part). Voluntary self-governance by people with similar standards of property maintenance? What's not to like about that?

You want to live in a dump, cool; just please don't move in next to me.

23 posted on 09/12/2013 11:08:23 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Olog-hai; Yehuda

In the World to Come, maybe there won’t be any garages. No need, because there won’t be any thieves, bad weather, UV rays, or shortage of workshop, workout, and storage spaces about the homes.

The primary benefit (of not having a garage) in such a place, is that those who would hate their neighbors for leaving their cars/trucks/boats outside, will have zero interest in living there. Screened out from the get-go. :)


24 posted on 09/12/2013 11:13:50 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: VanDeKoik

yep.

And if you had ever driven around town through both good and bad areas you would immediately see what I am talking about.

The surest sign of a neighborhood on the decline is the appearance of cars parked in the drive way and/or street. The sign of a neighborhood even further down the path to ghetoville are lawns that are no longer maintained.

You need to go drive through some new and/or really nice neighborhoods and you will immediately notice the difference.

Real estate investing is my business. And it can mean the difference between making money or losing it to ignore obvious signs of a neighborhood in decline.


25 posted on 09/12/2013 11:17:31 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I actually like play sets in the backyard where they belong and fences make good neighbors as far as I am concerned.

But if you want to park your vehicle in your front lawn, then I suggest buying some property in the country where you can live how you wish in your doublewide, and no one will bother you.


26 posted on 09/12/2013 11:19:26 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: napscoordinator
but by those who create cement or gravel parking pads in front of their homes.

That describes my driveway. Mine is one of the only houses without cars parked in the street. A narrow residential street lined with parked cars is a pain in the butt to drive on, and a hazard to children running out into the street hidden by parked SUVs.

Save us from those wanting a mommy government to wipe their noses.

27 posted on 09/12/2013 11:22:38 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Trailerpark Badass; Kozy

You both sound like HOA nazis to me! So much for you owning your property and me owning mine and having respect for each other.

Kozy, you talk about a plumber having his truck parked in his driveway. My father owned his own heating company when I was young and got called out on service calls all hours of the night. His business was 20 miles away from where we lived. Are you telling me that he shouldn’t have been allowed to have his truck at home so that when he got a call at 2 AM he’d have to go to the shop to pick up the truck even if the service call was 25 miles in the opposite direction from the house?

I’m certainly glad I’m not a neighbor to either of you. Heck, you’d probably complain about all my flowers, the American flag flying in front of my house (most HOA’s have restrictions on that) or some other piddly crap! I’m glad that I have “a life” and don’t have to make others feel small to make myself feel large-and-in-charge.


28 posted on 09/12/2013 11:24:57 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
My property is in a contained subdivision bound by protective covenants. Everyone who buys a home here is well aware of that and must sign consent to those standards.

Anyone who doesn't want to be bound by them is free to buy property somewhere else.

Perhaps your idea of "respect" is moving into a neighborhood and then deciding afterwards that the rules already in place are for other suckers.

But that would make YOU sound like the NAZI.

29 posted on 09/12/2013 11:30:46 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Kozy

Yes, because living in a neighborhood with small business owners like plumbers is so terrible. (sarcasm). I thought this website supported small business.


30 posted on 09/12/2013 11:31:13 AM PDT by wrcase
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Watch out...your “elitist snob” is showing. What about older city neighborhoods where no one has a garage? Are they necessarily neighborhoods in decline? I think not! The lawns, by the way, are very well taken care of and it’s a great neighborhood.


31 posted on 09/12/2013 11:31:32 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Perhaps your idea of "respect" is moving into a neighborhood and then deciding afterwards that the rules already in place are for other suckers.

Nope. Guess again! I refuse to move into any neighborhood with "protective covenants" so that I can be controlled with small-minded, control freak nazis like you. You sound like you'd be more comfortable with the likes of the Bloombergs and democrats over at DU rather than here at FR with freedom lovers and individualists.

32 posted on 09/12/2013 11:36:15 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“Nothing screams bad neighborhood quite like cars parked in the driveways.”

How elite of you. I feel like saying screw you, but I won’t.

Not all of us can afford enough garage to hold all of our cars!


33 posted on 09/12/2013 11:38:03 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

What do you do if you have a one car garage and need two cars? Not everybody can sell their house and buy one with a larger garage.

And, by the way, we never have a car in our driveway, so this isn’t personal.


34 posted on 09/12/2013 11:45:10 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR THE WORLD.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Have nice day, sweetheart!


35 posted on 09/12/2013 12:01:40 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I guess it must be a regional thing.

One the the most well-off cities where I live (East Grand Rapids) have all manner of cars parked on the street and in driveways. Many of the homes are turn of the previous century next to expensive homes built just last year. Almost all of them have garages. In central Grand Rapids, just west of E. Grand Rapids, we have tons of early 20th century homes that only have basic horse carriage houses or garages built for Model Ts, and yuppies are fighting to get in. Everyone parks on the street on in their driveways.


36 posted on 09/12/2013 12:26:40 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Looks like you have ruffled some feathers with these comments. I do not believe that “cars parked in the driveways” and on the street are indicative of “bad neighborhood”. The people across the street, good Catholics, have five kids, two are now driving, one in college, one in high school. They truly need at least four cars. Their very nice house has a 2-car garage. What should they do? We often have a car in the driveway at our house. By the way, the house next door just sold for asking price after less than a week on the market.

A neighborhood is characterized much more by the type of people, their ethics, morals, beliefs. We live in a very solid middle-class (maybe “upper middle clsss”?) area, where the kids are home at night, everyone graduates from high school, a good percent serve in the military, most become college graduates within 4-5 years of high school graduation. The people take care of their homes and lawns, work hard, pay taxes, and vote conservatively.

I suppose there are those who would rather live in some liberal, uppity, nanny-state neighborhood where no cars can be found on the street or in driveways. And it seems like you think that would be a better place to live. But many FReepers will disagree with you.


37 posted on 09/12/2013 12:49:55 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Not all houses have garages. Not all houses have driveways either. The absence or presence of either is not an indicator of whether a neighborhood is good or bad.


38 posted on 09/12/2013 1:13:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Yeap, I would complain about the plumber’s truck. It’s not a commercially zoned neighborhood. Here’s a suggestion; don’t take the business if it is 25 miles away.
While he is moving his car, get rid of th eRV and camper too.


39 posted on 09/12/2013 1:23:48 PM PDT by Kozy (Calling Al Gore)
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To: Olog-hai
We had some idjit Service Director run around and start ticketing people for parking motor homes and camping trailers in their yards.

He used a badly worded ordinance that was supposed to stop people from parking junk cars in their yards.

People have been parking their camping vehicles in their yards around here for decades with no problem. BUT the town is out of money being lots of people are out of work (no income taxes) and property values falling (lower property tax revenue) and business closing up right and left (no sales tax and business tax money).

So the obvious answer is to make lawful activity unlawful so as to generate revenue.

When someone put a cement block through the idjit's windshield with a note attached telling him to stop with the fines now or suffer the consequences, suddenly the city realized the ordinance didn't say what they thought it did and the Service Director got fired.

40 posted on 09/12/2013 1:24:27 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Governments still behaving as tumors that need to be subsidized by the host populace/commerce, eh? Everything is “money, money, more money” to them. That is called extortion. They would get their pound of flesh if they would stop raising the cost of providing it to them.


41 posted on 09/12/2013 1:54:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Regarding cars in the driveway — Definitely must be a local “tell” where you are. Around here it is common to see a car or two in the driveway, even in multi-million dollar communities of homes with 3 or 4+ bay garages. Of which there are many. Nobody would think a thing of it.


42 posted on 09/12/2013 2:02:29 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Olog-hai

....and this is why one should not support government-loving busybodies, regardless of party or level of government.


43 posted on 09/12/2013 2:23:34 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Kozy

“Yeap, I would complain about the plumber’s truck. It’s not a commercially zoned neighborhood. Here’s a suggestion; don’t take the business if it is 25 miles away.”

At what point does a citizen OWN their own land?

They pay for, they maintain it, they pay taxes on it (which I believe is immoral, but that’s another subject) and they can’t park a vehicle that they bought, paid for, registered, insured (by law), and paid taxes for in their own driveway?

What’s the point of “owning” anything? No personal choice. No rights.

How can you even think this way? How can you rationalize this? Where does it stop?

IMHO, You’re nothing more than a democrat in RINO clothing.


44 posted on 09/12/2013 2:35:57 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You must be from Austin, Houston or Dallas. The rest of the state still has some respect for private property.

I have lived in Michigan, Alaska, Wyoming, Arizona, Texas, Georgia, Maryland and New York.

I have NEVER heard anyone upset about people parking their own vehicles in their own driveway. Until your post, I had never imagined that this could even be an issue.

YOU have a problem.

Change parties, join the DU, and cuddle up with Bloomburg. You’re no FReeper.


45 posted on 09/12/2013 2:41:42 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m glad that I don’t live in the city. Too many people, too close together is a recipe for insanity.


46 posted on 09/12/2013 2:45:53 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: workerbee

yes, it could very well be a regional thing.

Very few homes here were built before 1950, and nearly every home here has a 2 car garage.

In my experience (based on the area in which I live and work). The sure signs that your neighborhood is on the decline are: (in ruff order of decline)

- cars parked in the driveway and or in front of a house overnight (especially older beat up cars) usually because they have filled their 2 car garage with junk. (first sign of decline)

- lawns no longer being maintained and flowers are no where to be seen.

- joggers (especially women joggers) and women with strollers disappear.

- former owner occupied homes now being rented out, homes being converted into duplexes, lots of for rent signs, ect.

- dilapidated sidewalks and parks

- Roaming bands of teenagers at night

- vacant homes, and especially homes that have been tagged by the city (final stage of death)

some of you might be offended by my observations, but this information can save new homebuyers from making a costly mistake that can destroy their lives.


47 posted on 09/12/2013 2:47:25 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Nothing screams bad neighborhood quite like cars parked in the driveways. Always drive through any neighborhood your thinking of moving to after 5pm to ensure it’s not that kind of neighborhood.

***************************

I can't say that has ever bothered me.

48 posted on 09/12/2013 2:50:03 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Wait a minute..don't you live in a trailer park?

Kidding.

49 posted on 09/12/2013 2:52:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I live in a neighborhood were the homes are between 900,000 - 2 million. Everybody parks in their driveway or on the street, even those who have garages. Somehow we are not on the decline, in fact the price of real estate is going up.

I have never lived where cars are not parked in the driveway or on the street.


50 posted on 09/12/2013 2:58:14 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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