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Cops fear menthol ban will spark black market boom
CNBC ^ | 09/12/13 | Dan Mangan

Posted on 09/12/2013 3:28:57 PM PDT by oxcart

Stop—a ban on menthol cigarettes—in the name of the law!

A number of current and former top-ranking law enforcement officials from the tobacco-producing South have blasted a potential menthol cigarette ban as the Food and Drug Administration weighs restrictions on those products, contending that prohibition will spur smuggling, counterfeit cigs and other organized crime.

Their comments to the FDA mirror arguments being made by Big Tobacco companies that have cited the specter of a menthol black market.

But tobacco critics and a former top New York state tax official scoffed at those claims, and accused tobacco companies of scare tactics that divert attention from the health damage caused by menthol cigs.

The FDA on Tuesday granted a 60-day extension to the time for public comments on possible menthol regulations. That extension until Nov. 22 came after requests from Big Tobacco companies, including Lorillard—whose Newport menthol brand accounted for 88 percent of the company's sales last year, and which is the second-biggest selling U.S. cigarette.

The FDA's move toward potential regulations comes after a recent agency study found that menthol cigarettes may "pose a public health risk above that seen with non-menthol cigarettes." The cigarettes, whose flavoring reduces the harshness of smoke, appear to be more addictive than unflavored cigarettes, the study indicated. Menthol cigarettes also are particularly popular with young smokers and African-Americans.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; blackmarket; cigarettes; fda; followthemoney; menthol; scam; smokingiscool
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This FDA ban will not go over very well with a LARGE block of menthol smoking democratic voters. There will be a lot more damage than increased smuggling, counterfeit cigs and organized crime. These certin democratic voters will be having some serious protests (riots) if this goes through.
1 posted on 09/12/2013 3:28:57 PM PDT by oxcart
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To: oxcart

I wonder how Holder allowed this to get through. It impacts Holder’s People more than any other demo group. Now they are going lock up more of them for smuggling menthol cigarettes?


2 posted on 09/12/2013 3:30:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: oxcart

I once took two whole duffle bags of Newports back to Korea after I did a mid-tour leave. I bought every carton I could get my hands on at the Offutt AFB BX and Commissary at $3 a carton. Sold every pack for $20 a piece and could've sold twice as many. Do the math.

3 posted on 09/12/2013 3:32:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: oxcart

“Hey joe, you got Sarim?”


4 posted on 09/12/2013 3:33:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: oxcart

Yep. Talkabout a “Black” Market!


5 posted on 09/12/2013 3:34:52 PM PDT by Autonomous User (Pain Fades. Chicks Dig Scars. Glory, lasts forever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

$20 per pack or $20 per carton?


6 posted on 09/12/2013 3:36:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: oxcart; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Eric Blair 2084; CSM; Mears; metesky; Madame Dufarge; ...
Nanny State! Menthol is more addictive than non menthol tobacco? On who's planet?

These people are freaking idiots, because the cautions against this nonsense are correct. It will just add to the already booming black market because of outrageous tobacco taxes.

7 posted on 09/12/2013 3:37:37 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nice pick!


8 posted on 09/12/2013 3:39:32 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [sic])
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To: oxcart
black market boom

Compared to what ?    LOL

9 posted on 09/12/2013 3:44:09 PM PDT by tomkat ( support the product, you support the politics .. shop like a warrior)
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To: DuncanWaring

Cops fear menthol ban will spark black market boom

_____________________

What? another thing to criminalize?


10 posted on 09/12/2013 3:45:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: oxcart

Then they’ll scream about the loss of tax revenue.


11 posted on 09/12/2013 3:45:13 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: DuncanWaring

Pack. I think I made more money from that than I did from my pay while there. I was making $397/month when I enlisted. They carried Kool and Salem but not Newport over there.


12 posted on 09/12/2013 3:51:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: oxcart

i would not be surprised to see menthol-it-yourself kits (or for that matter, to impart many possible flavors to the coffin nails).


13 posted on 09/12/2013 3:59:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dang.

That’s a “buck a butt”.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 4:09:03 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: oxcart

This doesn’t go over well with me, menthol smoker .

Want a breath freshner with my tar and nicotine.

Bass turds


15 posted on 09/12/2013 4:10:30 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

$397/month when you enlisted? That must have been long after I did. As I recall, pay for an E2 in 1966 was under $100/month.


16 posted on 09/12/2013 4:20:53 PM PDT by Bob
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To: DuncanWaring

And like I said, I could have sold many more if I’d had them. I was still getting requests on my last day there.


17 posted on 09/12/2013 4:21:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Bob

June 12, 1978.


18 posted on 09/12/2013 4:22:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sold every pack for $20 a piece

Are you refering to a single pack of cigarettes or the carton?

19 posted on 09/12/2013 4:23:39 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: Chickensoup

A cigarette is neither food nor pharmaceutical drug.

What’s it got to do with the FDA?


20 posted on 09/12/2013 4:27:24 PM PDT by relictele ("An elective despotism was not the government we fought for..." - James Madison)
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To: oxcart

The unofficial economy gets another boost.

Mission Accomplished.


21 posted on 09/12/2013 4:31:42 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Bob

In 1966 I was in first grade at Walnut Avenue Elementary.


22 posted on 09/12/2013 4:35:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Pack. Supply and demand.


23 posted on 09/12/2013 4:36:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: oxcart
In case nobody noticed, there already is a huge black market for cigarettes of any stripe.

When robberies happen at convenience stores, they don't even bother with the cash drawer, they go for the cigarettes.

At least we could sit in a bar, smoke and drink during the formation of this nation and the last depression.

Not any more.

24 posted on 09/12/2013 4:40:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Bob

E-3; L/cpl in 68 equaled 92 dollars a month. I thought I was rich.


25 posted on 09/12/2013 4:44:22 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: elkfersupper
At least we could sit in a bar, smoke and drink during the formation of this nation and the last depression.

Not any more.

You still can where I live.

26 posted on 09/12/2013 4:45:28 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK. Point taken. My father was 2nd Division in WWII. I grew up going to annual reunions all over the country as a kid.


27 posted on 09/12/2013 4:45:54 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

Some people here assume I was in the Marines and think it’s a reference to the 2ndMarDiv. My dad was a career Marine so I didn’t want to see the same places all over again. Plus, promotion is quicker in the Army.


28 posted on 09/12/2013 4:48:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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Hmmmm. A menthol cigarette ban = disparate impact on black people. Therefore . . .

Nanny State PING!

29 posted on 09/12/2013 5:04:16 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Major brain damage at UMES, but no property damage!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Pack. I think I made more money from that than I did from my pay while there. I was making $397/month when I enlisted. They carried Kool and Salem but not Newport over there

I spent time in Korea and dispute your claim about Newports. And as a side note, there wasn't a soldier I ever met who would have paid $20 for a pack of cigs, let alone who could have afforded it..........or hashish or marijuana for that matter.

30 posted on 09/12/2013 5:04:29 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: 5th MEB

http://www.navycs.com/charts/1967-military-pay-chart.html
(pay raise end of June 68)

Jan 68 E-1 $88/Month
Mar 68 E-2 $106/Month
?Jul 68 E-3 $113/Month
?Oct 68 E-3 $137/Month
?May 69 E-4 $190/Month

Plus $7 Overseas Pay and $66 Combat Pay.

Wheeee! I’m RICH!


31 posted on 09/12/2013 5:05:31 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: Hot Tabasco

When did you serve there?


32 posted on 09/12/2013 5:07:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s funny, I had always assumed Second Infantry Division. Of course, I was raised on ‘Second to None’ and indian heads. :=) Reunion headquarters were always in room 2-2-0. As kids, it was easier to remember that room number than whatever one we were staying in.


33 posted on 09/12/2013 5:10:54 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Gabz

Is there ANYTHING that the government won’t get involved with? I mean, if they had ANY honesty, they would just ban smoking. Of course, it pays taxes, and additionally, keeps life expectancy down, so that more can be spent on food stamps.


34 posted on 09/12/2013 5:13:34 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Gabz
You still can where I live.

Um-kay.

Just a word to the wise. If you're actually drinking in a bar these days, be sure that you have no access to any car keys.

35 posted on 09/12/2013 5:14:21 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When did you serve there?

TDY, 1971

36 posted on 09/12/2013 5:19:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was holed up in Thule AFB, Greenland, in 1966.


37 posted on 09/12/2013 5:22:04 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: oxcart

38 posted on 09/12/2013 5:30:10 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Hot Tabasco

I was there in 1978-79 and 1981-82. G-2, I Corps at Camp Red Cloud the first time, 102nd MI Bn., 2nd Infantry Division at Camps Hovey and Casey the second time.


39 posted on 09/12/2013 5:35:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: traditional1

Ouch.


40 posted on 09/12/2013 5:35:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
Is there ANYTHING that the government won’t get involved with?

Nope.

I mean, if they had ANY honesty, they would just ban smoking.

When do you remember honesty in government? Besides, smoking is already banned in most places as it is. I think you meant they would ban tobacco.

Of course, it pays taxes,...

Exactly. ...keeps life expectancy down, so that more can be spent on food stamps.

Sorry, but that makes no sense.

41 posted on 09/12/2013 5:56:01 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: elkfersupper
Um-kay.

Technically there is no such thing as a bar in Virginia. Restaurants can have bars and if they have separate entrances and ventilation systems they can permit smoking.

Just a word to the wise. If you're actually drinking in a bar these days, be sure that you have no access to any car keys.

UM, I'm the grand daughter, daughter, and sister of retired NYC cops, and spent 10 years sharing office space (and answering the phones) with the Delaware State Troopers' Association - I do believe I learned about THAT way long ago.

42 posted on 09/12/2013 7:12:27 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

Some folks just gotta lecture we the ignorant.

ALL tobacco and alcohol are EEEEEEVILLL, you understand!?!?!!

Hey nannies: get over yourselves already!


43 posted on 09/13/2013 12:32:09 AM PDT by Don W (Know what you WANT. Know what you NEED. Know the DIFFERENCE!)
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To: oxcart

90+% of the menthol smokers voted for this, now they can wallow in their mess.

That said, if this doesn’t strike EVERYONE as a government over-reach, then I don’t know what will. Sadly, I’m sure I will see FReepers celebrating it and calling for a total tobacco ban....well, they can enjoy the mess that they make when the same tools are used against religion in the name of gay rights.


44 posted on 09/13/2013 6:45:12 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Gabz

A ban on menthol is only a stepping stone to an outright tobacco ban. Many a FReeper will celebrate, until that lost tax revenue needs to be collected from them.


45 posted on 09/13/2013 7:05:35 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Don W; Gabz; elkfersupper

I wouldn’t take Elk’s comments personally or as a lecture. He is a freedom advocate on our side, so I am sure he was simply making a point about another “out of control” government plan....


46 posted on 09/13/2013 7:16:24 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: 5th MEB
E-3; L/cpl in 68 equaled 92 dollars a month. I thought I was rich.

And you could buy a GTO for 3 grand.

47 posted on 09/13/2013 7:23:10 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


48 posted on 09/13/2013 8:28:09 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Gabz
I do believe I learned about THAT way long ago.

And that is a sad statement. I am sure you are aware of the myriads of DWI arrests and prosecutions involving people asleep in their cars, on bicycles, on riding mowers or horseback?

49 posted on 09/14/2013 4:00:17 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
I am sure you are aware of the myriads of DWI arrests and prosecutions involving people asleep in their cars, on bicycles, on riding mowers or horseback?

Yes I am, and in fact was involved in getting Delaware law changed so those using bicycles, mowers, or horses are no longer categorized as a driving offense subject to license loss. The sleeping in the car is still an iffy situation.

I haven't lived there for 10 years, but when I am there, it is VERY rare I consume any adult beverages outside my SIL or best friend's homes because one of those places is where I stay. And here at home, in Virginia, unless I am at home or camping out where ever the party is, I know when enough is enough. Then again, that is the way I was raised and have always been that way.

50 posted on 09/14/2013 5:32:42 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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