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Wisconsinís Third-Largest Teachersí Union Decertified
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Posted on 09/13/2013 9:55:54 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

September 13, 2013 11:57 AM Wisconsin's Third-Largest Teachers' Union Decertified By Andrew Johnson

Pro-union teachers in the Kenosha Unified School District in Wisconsin failed to reach the 50 percent threshold necessary to reauthorize its union. Only 37 percent of educators voted to reauthorize what was the state’s third-largest union with 2,400 members last month.

The vote is a result of public-employee union reforms signed by Governor Scott Walker in 2011, which triggered a recall election, in which he eventually prevailed in 2012. The Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill required public unions to hold an annual recertification vote.

The union no longer carries any official status in representing the district’s teachers and cannot negotiate for its members as a whole, while it still may represent individual educators. Teachers can still financially contribute to the union as well, but mandatory union dues will no longer be required.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: fail; teachers; union; wisconsinshowdown
You don't say!
1 posted on 09/13/2013 9:55:54 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

The RINOS in the Senate and House should take Scott Walker’s example of how to show some brass balls.


2 posted on 09/13/2013 9:58:23 AM PDT by Dick Cinnamon
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To: Sub-Driver

Leftists need to simplify the voter fraud process, so setbacks like this one and the ones in Colorado don’t happen to them again.


3 posted on 09/13/2013 9:59:52 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Sub-Driver

I kinda like the word ‘decertified’ following the word ‘union’.


4 posted on 09/13/2013 10:00:06 AM PDT by lesko
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To: Sub-Driver

This is an excellent start! Goes to show how the minority crazy lefties have found so many ways to control major institutions. Nice to see it stopped in this case.


5 posted on 09/13/2013 10:03:55 AM PDT by Bronzewound (Lost Hope & Loose Change)
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To: Sub-Driver

Who-hoo! Excellent! Defund those commies!


6 posted on 09/13/2013 10:17:01 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: lesko

“I kinda like the word ‘decertified’ following the word ‘union’.”

Me too. I get a tingle up both my legs.


7 posted on 09/13/2013 10:22:38 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Sub-Driver

I wouldn’t necessarily celebrate. The teachers may be switching to a union that has more muscle.


8 posted on 09/13/2013 10:26:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Or the teachers may be tired of having their pay checks targeted while the union leaders get rich and do nothing
Many a year our pay raise did not equal the raise in union dues.
So why join? Pressure from union bosses in the district.
Iow the unions shook down the members and the members now have the power to say no!


9 posted on 09/13/2013 10:35:52 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: Sub-Driver; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Another article on the de-certification of the Kenosha teachers’ union. Keep in mind, the teachers de-certified this union themselves, something their union will want to blame on Walker.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


10 posted on 09/13/2013 10:43:01 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: hoosiermama
Iow the unions shook down the members and the members now have the power to say no!

They always did have that power. Walker's changes didn't affect the freedom to decertify a union. The main thing he did change was collective bargaining for benefits, which are no longer provided by the union. So other than collective bargaining for salaries, they aren't worth much. If the salaries are the same, they're a waste of money. Still, the teachers may anticipate the need for future collective bargaining power over wages, which is why I offered the caution I did.

11 posted on 09/13/2013 10:44:10 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: hoosiermama

“Or the teachers may be tired of having their pay checks targeted while the union leaders get rich and do nothing
Many a year our pay raise did not equal the raise in union dues. So why join?”

In NJ public school teachers are our upper middle class; they still get hefty raises despite a property tax cap because the municipalities simply lay off cops, firemen, public works, etc. to keep them living large. Our teachers also know their pay is completely out of sync with the salaries of those paying the teachers, and they couldn’t care less.

In my area there is little mixing between workfare public employees (of any kind) and taxpayers; the animosity is tangible.


12 posted on 09/13/2013 10:44:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: hoosiermama

I know a local teacher who had union thugs remove candidate signs from her front yard. When she objected, they told her that as a union member (forced) she could not support that candidate.


13 posted on 09/13/2013 10:44:54 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Sub-Driver

Will they be laid off now?...


14 posted on 09/13/2013 10:45:41 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Sub-Driver
Typical Black attacker of Whites. He doesn't have the guts to say what he really is. I have more respect for Mumbo Jumbo X or whatever his name is. At least he's not hiding what he is.
15 posted on 09/13/2013 10:56:09 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I wouldn’t necessarily celebrate. The teachers may be switching to a union that has more muscle.

Not a chance in hell. Those teachers are keeping the money and the unions are going down the toilet like the turds that they are.

16 posted on 09/13/2013 10:58:27 AM PDT by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: Carry_Okie

You’ve obviously not been or witnessed the treatment of the few or individual who chooses not to belong. As one who has I can assure you the power is not on their side. Your statement does not fit into the reality of the structure
Have often said: state legislature set up the unions vs administration to create a corporate game of “let you and him fight”.— Let the power struggles begin (but not with us. We’re innocent )
The government then stirs the pot, sells tickets to watch the fight thru media coverage and sits back and swears to their own innocence as they goad each side on! Dis functional family behavior at a corporate level.
Good teachers are too busy teaching to fight it so they pay the due and bitch in their 20 minute lunch break !


17 posted on 09/13/2013 11:01:36 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: USS Alaska
Not a chance in hell.

They may still believe they need collective bargaining power over wages and working conditions. The law did not negate those rights.

18 posted on 09/13/2013 11:02:10 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Dick Cinnamon
The RINOS in the Senate and House should take Scott Walker’s example of how to show some brass balls.

Scott Walker for President in 2016!


19 posted on 09/13/2013 11:02:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: hoosiermama
You’ve obviously not been or witnessed the treatment of the few or individual who chooses not to belong.

My mother was a public school teacher.

Good teachers are too busy teaching to fight it so they pay the due and bitch in their 20 minute lunch break!

They're also too busy to negotiate their salaries and working conditions. Let's just wait and see before doing the happy dance.

20 posted on 09/13/2013 11:04:43 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Know the scenario well. Also know how to sign the form to keep them from donating your money to a candidate you oppose. And what legal actions to take when the above scenario happens. There are actions to take but its tiring and time consuming at the expense of classroom prep etc. it also creates a very hostile work environment


21 posted on 09/13/2013 11:08:57 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: Carry_Okie

Nonsense, Walker’s reforms forced the unions to certify every year. This is the obvious result.

Another win for Walker and freedom and the beginning of the end to the corrupt idea of “public employee unions”.


22 posted on 09/13/2013 11:26:19 AM PDT by free me (Do it.....Sign & Endorse today!!! www.dontfundobamacare.com)
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To: free me
Nonsense, Walker’s reforms forced the unions to certify every year. This is the obvious result.

I'll wait before doing the happy dance, thank you.

Another win for Walker and freedom and the beginning of the end to the corrupt idea of “public employee unions”.

I certainly hope so.

23 posted on 09/13/2013 11:28:45 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Many Wisconsin teachers I know are happy they no longer have to pay union dues. But, they dare not talk too publicly in the teachers lounge or the hard-core union ones get snippy.


24 posted on 09/13/2013 11:35:50 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: Sub-Driver

A lot of “saying “ going on. This is long overdue for any kind of union. When a union has been in place so long that none of the current members were born when it was certified-—it’s time for a re-vote. One year might be too often but five years to re-certify is certainly appropriate. It’s the only way to keep the bosses working for the workers instead of the democrats.


25 posted on 09/13/2013 12:27:28 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Carry_Okie
Walker's changes didn't affect the freedom to decertify a union.

According to the article your statement is not entirely correct:
"The Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill required public unions to hold an annual recertification vote."

Curious - when was the last time the unions held a re-certification vote?

26 posted on 09/13/2013 12:46:31 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Sub-Driver

Doh!


27 posted on 09/13/2013 12:50:08 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: jonno
Curious - when was the last time the unions held a re-certification vote?

I would suspect that the right to do so was in the union bylaws.

Remember too that this was a small union; it was only in Wisconsin covering but one metropolitan area. Hence my point that a number of those voting to decertify might be seeing the need to join a larger union.

Never underestimate the potential for public school teachers to express leftist militancy.

28 posted on 09/13/2013 1:12:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Was just reading Volkswagen is about to go UAW in Tennessee.


29 posted on 09/13/2013 1:37:36 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Carry_Okie
I would suspect that the right to do so was in the union bylaws.

This was point in my earlier post to you. Prior to Walker's reforms union members did NOT have the ability to force their leadership to re-certify. This was the 3rd largest union per the article and many others have done the same prior to this.

Always vigilant for sure but give credit where it's due.

30 posted on 09/13/2013 2:12:17 PM PDT by free me (Do it.....Sign & Endorse today!!! www.dontfundobamacare.com)
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To: free me
Prior to Walker's reforms union members did NOT have the ability to force their leadership to re-certify.

Source please.

This was the 3rd largest union per the article and many others have done the same prior to this.

How many? Citation please.

The right to free assembly presumes the right to disassemble. What you are talking about would be an illegal contract.

31 posted on 09/13/2013 2:28:55 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Can we use this word decertified with Obama and kick his a$$ out?


32 posted on 09/13/2013 3:24:28 PM PDT by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: rightwingcrazy
Leftists need to simplify the voter fraud process, so setbacks like this one and the ones in Colorado don’t happen to them again.

I am sure they are working on a plan...

33 posted on 09/13/2013 4:03:24 PM PDT by Popman (Liberal wars are about killing people for humanitarian reasons...)
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To: Carry_Okie

start your research here:

http://www.1-888-no-union.com/decertification.html

Find out how many yourself. Fact: 3rd largest school district.
Source: the article that is the subject of this thread.

Most unions have de-certified since the law went into effect. This is a great victory and should be emulated everywhere.

Your failure to acknowledge that is telling.


34 posted on 09/13/2013 4:58:30 PM PDT by free me (Do it.....Sign & Endorse today!!! www.dontfundobamacare.com)
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To: Sub-Driver
Back in 2012, I was having a beer at a local place here in Green Bay. I started chatting with a couple who were seated beside of me. They had just had a relaxing weekend at their new vacation home in the UP of Michigan.

The wife then mentioned that they both were going to have the entire Summer off and hoped to travel back to Europe again.

The husband lamented that their BMW needed some routine service.

Both husband and wife were teachers in a Brown County high school. Both thought it was downright evil that they would have to pay anything for their health care or retirement.

At the time, I was working 7 days a week. The closest I came to a "vacation" was taking my dad for treatment at MD Anderson in Texas.

35 posted on 09/13/2013 5:29:25 PM PDT by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: free me
Find out how many yourself.

IOW you don't know. So much for your claim of "many." Strike one.

Source: the article that is the subject of this thread.

There is nothing mentioned in the article about union bylaws or decertification procedures. Nothing. Strike two.

Most unions have de-certified since the law went into effect.

You don't even know how many unions there are in Wisconsin. Strike three.

Your failure to acknowledge that is telling.

Yes, it says I'm cautious about making unsupported claims.

36 posted on 09/13/2013 5:30:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is amazing!


37 posted on 09/13/2013 7:45:48 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Carry_Okie

What a bizarre response.

You either support the reforms that are working wonders in WI or you support the unions.

You’ve made your choice clear.


38 posted on 09/14/2013 5:18:02 PM PDT by free me (Do it.....Sign & Endorse today!!! www.dontfundobamacare.com)
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