Skip to comments.Black-on-White Violence: Why It Matters
Posted on 09/13/2013 3:24:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Last week, while walking through Union Square in Manhattan, 62-year-old Jeffrey Babbitt, a retired train conductor who was the caretaker for his 94-year-old mother, was killed by Lashawn Marten, a black man over 20 years his junior who declared his intention just seconds before he punched Babbitt in the head to hurt the first white person he encountered.
Two days later, a white passenger on a bus passing through Harlem was assaulted by another passenger for being a cracker. The 31-year-old assailant struck his victim so hard that, according to the New York Post, he smashed the bones in his face, breaking his nose and eye socket.
Both the rate and ferocity of black-on-white violence is nothing short of a national scandal. All decent Americans, and certainly all those who claim to care about race relations, should be as attentive to and concerned about this phenomenon as they are attentive to and concerned about anything else.
Not everyone sees it this way. Below are three objections that are commonly stated.
Objection #1: Blacks dont have a monopoly on violence and whites dont have a monopoly on being the victims of violence. Violence is part of the human condition. So, why should we attach more importance to this kind of violence than we attach to all sorts of other kinds?
Reply: Of course, what is said here is true. Still, that blacks constitute a small minority of America and yet comprise, overwhelmingly, the majority of perpetrators of interracial crime is, or should be, more than enough to convince the thoughtful that black-on-white violence is a very real problem.
Moreover, it isnt just the interracial violence here itself that is a grave cause of concern, but the especially savage character that this violence all too often assumes. Just a cursory perusal of any random selection of black-on-white attacks readily reveals the mercilessness that an alarming number of black predators show toward their white prey.
Objection #2: Granted, black-on-white violence is a reality, but it is a reality begotten by a legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. If there are blacks who hate whites, it is because there were first whites who hated blacks. As the title of a 1960s television broadcast on The Nation of Islam put it, black animus toward whites is the hate that hate produced.
Reply: As scholars black, white, and other have repeatedly demonstrated, the dysfunction that marks the black underclass today was either non-existent or far less pronounced in years pasti.e. at times not as far removed from slavery and during which racial discrimination against blacks was both more ubiquitous and more overt.
This consideration aside, if the proponents of this objection were made to say aloud the implications of their position, the shame and ridicule that it invites just might force them to abandon it.
According to this line of reasoning, the following victims of black-on-white violence would still be alive and unharmed had it not been for a history of racial oppression:
-Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, a young white couple that had been abducted, repeatedly raped, tortured, and murdered by five blacks;
-Brad Heyka, Jason Befort, Aaron Sander, and Heather Muller, four whites who were robbed, beaten, sexual humiliated, raped, and murdered by two black brothers;
-Kristen Huggins, a 22-year-old college graduate and aspiring artist who was carjacked, sodomized, robbed, and killed by a bullet to her head fired by a black career criminal;
-Antonio Santiago, a 17-month-old baby shot dead in the face by two black thugs;
-Jonathan Foster, a 12-year-old white boy taken from his home and killed by a blowtorch wielding black woman;
-Delbert Benton, an 89-year-old WWII veteran beaten to death by two black teenagers; and
-Fannie Gumbinger, a 99-year-old woman beaten to death by a 20-year-old black man who burglarized her home.
It is with the greatest of ease that to this list, scores of other names could be added. But the point is this: If the legacy of slavery and discrimination argument is to be believed, then we are expected to believe that in the absence of this legacy, legions of innocent white children, white women, and the elderly who have been brutalized by black thugs would be with us today.
Objection #3: The race of the perpetrators and victims of these horrible crimes is irrelevant.
Reply: If this is true, then so too is race irrelevant while discussing Americas past. After all, if it is slavery that is immoral, then the races of master and slave are immaterial. And if it is immoral to segregate people along the lines of race, then it is irrelevant whether the segregationists are white or non-white.
There is no point mentioning that the Ku Klux Klan consisted of white supremacists who sought to torment blacks. Deserving of condemnation is not white supremacy, but any sort of supremacy, not the tormenting of blacks, but the tormenting of anyone.
But if race is relevant to discussions of American slavery and segregation, then it most certainly is relevant to speak of race in connection with most interracial violence in America at present.
And it most certainly is mandatory that all morally committed people start assigning this issue the priority that it deserves.
The KKK may return or something close.
The KKK may return or something close.
By golly, I believe that is historically correct!!
The KKK was HUGE in the 1920’s, much bigger than they were during Southern Reconstruction, and were bigger in states like Indiana than in the South! You won’t learn that in today’s history classes, though.
I doubt the Klan will return as that would require an inner strength that whites no longer have. There comes a time historically where a people have become so soft and tender that their death only provides amusement for others. The classic case being when the Great Khan came to Baghdad the citizens of that city came out waiving palm fronds and he and his men killed over a 100,000 making mounds of their skulls. I FEAR European whites are at that historical stage.
The MSM won’t touch any of these stories with a ten foot pole. Sad, but true.
No doubt that we have all grown soft but I have to believe there will be a tipping point. There has to be a reason a lot of white folks are arming themselves.(Not me of course)
About that time the KKK had a march on Washington D.C. and had several hundred thousand folks show up unlike saaay the million or twenty moose limb march.
For anyone interested in getting educated on the explosion of black-on-white violence, google Colin Flaherty, an investigative journalist who writes for WND. His book is White Girl Bleed a Lot which is a very tough read that documents this violence and the media’s refusal to report it.
There is a photo from that time of Margaret Sanger addressing the, um, “ladies” of the KKK at a rally, could have been Indiana but not certain....
The KKK will have to add a group to their hate list. That would be muslims.
Black on white crime is bringing the races farther apart. No white in his right mind will go to an area that is primarily black.
What a load of crap.
Sure. It happens to be true that blacks perpetrate more violent crimes. So what? It’s still a relatively small minority of the black population. Round up the miscreants and move on. If a few get shot in the process of committing wicked acts, then so be it.
This is where I just don’t get conservatives. We talk the talk about guns preventing crime and such, but how often do conservatives actually carry the tools of liberty? When was the last time YOU carried a handgun? Openly. With pride.
But no. We conservatives tend to sit in our well locked houses, with ADT on, and worry about crime.
Time to man up. Or woman up as the case may be. Get in the habit of carrying a gun, quit worrying about this criminality BS, and ENJOY life!
“His book is White Girl Bleed a Lot which is a very tough read that documents this violence and the medias refusal to report it.”
Why do we need the lamestream media to report on it? We’re all well aware that blacks commit violent crimes at a rate higher than whites or hispanics. And this knowledge buys us exactly what? It’s not like Joe the law abiding black guy has any more control over black crime than I have control over white crime.
The lesson being taught to white people is clear.
If you do not know a black man, he must be considered as dangerous until he proves otherwise. Since most of these attacks are “cheap shots” at close range, white people must be extremely careful to not let an unknown black male within range.
And finally, white people must be prepared to defend themselves with lethal force if attacked. Just brandishing a gun while they flee is not enough, because you have just delayed an attack, which will likely happen next time to someone elderly, or young, or less able to defend themselves.
“I felt in danger for my life and fired my gun to prevent his attack.”
“No white in his right mind will go to an area that is primarily black.”
Really? I guess I’m not in my right mind, then. The difference though is that unlike a lot of sunshine conservatives, I’m ARMED.
So I don’t worry about it.
Too much truth. My head hurts.
“I doubt the Klan will return as that would require an inner strength that whites no longer have.”
Inner strength??? It requires “inner strength” to join and form a hate group? Excuse me while I vomit just a little bit...
What the hell is happening on here? I just read another guy’s post a few minutes ago opining about how he thought he would have so much more liberty in Russia than in America. That’s just sickening. If this isn’t just hyperbole and people genuinely feel this way, Obama didn’t just win reelection, he’s truly destroyed us. There’s no doubt that racial hatred is on the rise and Obama (aided and abetted by the media) has stoked those flames for personal gain. I think it’s part of his plan. It’s evil, plain and simple. But it’s not going to make me long for the days of the KKK or wish I lived in Russia under a thug like Putin. Where are the rational people?
“If you do not know a black man, he must be considered as dangerous until he proves otherwise.”
Oh what a load of horse hockey. If you assume that all people can be dangerous, then you act accordingly. No reason to be an ass towards people based on their skin color. Simply carry a pistol openly and stop worrying about it. Sheesh.
“Where are the rational people?”
I don’t claim to be completely rational, but I do claim to be pretty happy.
If crime is a concern for you, then carry the tools of liberty and quit worrying about it. This thinly veiled racist horse hockey really gets old after awhile.
“Too much truth. My head hurts.”
Then here’s some more truth: violent crime in the US is decreasing. It has been for a long time. And YOU, not the police, not the legislature, not TSA, have a responsibility to defend YOU. Go get a gun, start carrying it, and stop worrying.
Now go get an ibuprofen if your head still hurts....
BION, we don’t have open carry in Texas.
I flipped houses in primarily black areas. I came very close to shooting 3 young black yutes over a period of 6 months, others stayed away because I was openly armed.
I quit buying houses in the 'hood, because I knew it was only a short period of time before I was going to kill or be killed. I didn't desire either outcome.
I still carry all the time, but the Zimmerman circus is an example of why whites are careful as to how they go about exposing themselves.
I think we are seeing a reaction to blatant favoritism of affirmative action for nearly everyone except white males, the constant drumbeat of excuses for bad actions on the part of black people, and the direct attack on merit.
The fact that a person who is approached on the street is statistically far more likely to be attacked by a black man than a white man is called racism, even though it is true.
Truth is not racism.
What is needed is effective and evenhanded application of justice. The fact that this does not occur in the urban centers run mostly by liberals is a national disgrace.
Black people cannot depend on the criminal justice system in the urban centers. This feeds on itself and results in more criminality, with the results seen.
The whole liberal edifice depends on embracing false ideas about reality, in turn this helps prevent any real solutions.
I am probably the biggest “profiler” out there and do not care if they are black, white, brown or purple.
I profile them and go by their looks and the way they act, walk and eye ball me.
The 7 yard rule is the rule I live by and I pack at least two sidearms ALWAYS and plenty ammo to go around.
I hear about the “polar bear” hunters in the big cities and think it is a crying shame these animals are not blown in half by a person carrying a 1911 with some serious ordinance. I am sure the poor “polar bear” would be put through the same crap that GZ went thru but hey, drop the hammer when it is called for in my opinion.
Funny that the whites have not started a “black bear” club because I have not seen bodies floating in the Trinity, Colorado, Brazos or Guadalupe River YET.
We've tried that. The jails are full.
And it's not such a small minority. Wikipedia gives a 29% chance of a black born in the USA in 1991 of seeing jail time. That's not 'relatively small'.
> if it is slavery that is immoral, then the races of master and slave are immaterial.
Very true. If the slave traders had a stock of non-black, primitive, able bodied humans to work with, then they would have been used as slaves. It’s well past time for black to stop punishing whites as an excuse for their own shortcomings. If all whites are guilty of enslaving blacks, then all blacks are guilty of killing and torturing whites with their lame and ignorant excuses.
No need for terrorist groups like the Klan. All that is needed is for white people to stop depending on the law to protect them. Do what needs to be done.
“We don’t have open carry in Texas”
I know. Sad state of affairs when liberal hellholes like Delaware have better gun freedoms that Texas. So what’s the latest excuse from your legislature?
And you’re still here today to tell the tale. Sounds like a good outcome to me.
Thank God for freepers like you.
That's debatable but lets take it to be true. As you say so What? A majority of blacks are racial and expect that they can be so. A majority of blacks refuse to criticize any black so in turn support all kinds of racial and anti white crap, violence or otherwise. A majority of blacks are African-American and relish that. So it isn't just about the violence although that is certainly important it is about race and is in no way a minority of the black population.
While its statistically true that blacks commit more violent crimes than whites, I ask the question again: what does this knowledge get us? We aren’t going to start locking up blacks because they’re black.
More to the point, what are you doing about preventing violent crime in your own little corner of the world? Your about page indicates that you’re from AZ which has some of the best gun laws in the country and open carry there is common. Do you carry openly, or do you leave your safety up to the benevolence of the local government?
Your response is precisely like number 3 in the article
I don't know, what does the knowledge get you that a rattle snake may bite you and can be deadly?
40% of black males, teenagers and adults, have at one point been convicted of a felony. And that is a very hard statistic to compile. While a large percentage of those felony convictions has been for drugs, it does not mitigate the underlying principle.
If you count those black men you know who are *not* criminal, it pretty well leaves you facing the proposition that each unknown black man you see on the street is just a coin flip. Of course it is situational, in that in some parts of the country few black men, if any, have criminal tendencies; but in other parts, it approaches near 100%.
I will also add that concealed carry provides far more tactical advantages than does open carry. And in a situation where I had to draw by cc gun, in my other hand would be a fighting knife.
You can sure go find another forum Mr high and mighty democrat
You being our moral superior and all
And take that whiskey guy with ya
“More to the point, what are you doing about preventing violent crime in your own little corner of the world? Your about page indicates that youre from AZ which has some of the best gun laws in the country and open carry there is common. Do you carry openly, or do you leave your safety up to the benevolence of the local government?”
It is very seldom that I am not carrying. I was carrying before we had the shall issue law in Arizona.
You do not have to convince me on the merits of carrying. I propose that we push for more law abiding black people to carry.
Maybe then they would not feel such a need to respond to peer pressure to not be a snitch.
A majority of black people are not criminals. If we could convince them that they would be treated reasonably fairly by the courts, it would be a big step forward in race relations.
If more of them carried, and it they found that they could not be illegally deprived of that right, maybe we could make some progress.
Since you claim demographics matter none to you
Where have you ever been in a white area where you felt threatened by white predators?
Now you’re talking some sense. If we were to get even 10% of the population to open carry across the board, violent crime would largely be a thing of the past.
I doubt if blacks ever will trust the justice system under any foreseeable scenario. Too much history and a damn fool drug war to boot. But its not really completely necessary that they do. Give them less reason to have to rely on it and it’ll be an improvement in all of our lives.
Acceptable outcome. Killing someone isn’t a pleasant experience. Better than being killed is about all that can be said for it.
I happen to like this forum just fine. If the heat gets too hot for you, you’re always free to go run to jimrob.
No reason to be an ass toward people based on their specific reason that they fear for their safety.
You skillfully begged the question, and prompted an obvious one.
Why didn't you say simply, "Just do it and stop worrying about it?" Sheesh.
Even children would be able to answer the question.
“I know. Sad state of affairs when liberal hellholes like Delaware have better gun freedoms that Texas. So whats the latest excuse from your legislature?”
Don’t know why Texas hasn’t gone open carry, but also don’t know why anyone feels the need to. Tennessee has open carry , but I don’t choose too. I also will not ever apply for a permit. I’ll carry on my own terms. No advance warning for prospective perps.
Sooner or later, black thugs will pick on the wrong white person.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. It will be a horror not seen in a while.
“Now youre talking some sense. If we were to get even 10% of the population to open carry across the board, violent crime would largely be a thing of the past.”
Some places nearly 10% of the population have CCW permits. It seems to work almost as well.
“Dont know why Texas hasnt gone open carry, but also dont know why anyone feels the need to.”
Texas has had some real issues on gun stuff and I really don’t understand it. It took the Luby shooting for them to get concealed carry. Their permit is one of the more expensive and more difficult to obtain, and then there is the intransigence on open carry. I like Texas in general: good people. But I just don’t get it on the gun stuff.
Any way, as for open carry, I can think of several reasons for doing so. First and most selfish is that it’s more comfortable and you don’t have to fool with all sorts of concealment hardware. Second and I think most important is the deterrent effect it has on potential perps. Concealed carry has less of a deterrent effect because by definition no one knows. We want to reinforce the idea that there are a lot of people out there with guns. OC does that. Third, if you think about it most perps are opportunists. The most successful gunfight in my view is the one that is completely avoided because the perp walks the other way. Fourth is the innoculation effect on the non-gun folks. Finally, there is something to be said for tweaking the grabbers a bit. I could go on but that gives you a start.
I wanted to make sure and say thank you for posting that. That’s a compelling story and I hope you do tell it to others. There’s nothing like pulling out the x-ray and saying “here is why.”
Unfortunately, my tale is the murder of a family member. Folks don’t like to hear about those sorts of things.
“And it’s not such a small minority. Wikipedia gives a 29% chance of a black born in the USA in 1991 of seeing jail time. That’s not ‘relatively small’.”
And that means 71% won’t see any jail time. Do we damn the 71% for the acts of the 29%? And to go a little further, what were the 29% in there for? Drugs? DUI? Or violent crimes? To be certain we all recognize that blacks commit violent crimes at a significantly higher rate than whites. But it’s not like we can or will be able to use that information for much.
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