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Video captures Wisconsin police unlawfully detaining men open carrying ARs (VIDEO)
guns.com ^ | 12 September, 2013 | Jennifer Cruz

Posted on 09/13/2013 5:11:48 PM PDT by marktwain

Earlier this week, a video was posted on YouTube which demonstrated how Appleton, Wisconsin, police violated the rights of two men who were openly carrying AR-15s, which is legal in the state of Wisconsin.

The two men were first held at gunpoint, then handcuffed and placed in the back of a squad car while the officers “investigated” the incident, only to find that the men had not broken any laws and there was no clear evidence to charge them with any crime.

Apparently, the police department had received three separate calls because the men were carrying “assault rifles” across their backs as they walked down the street.

The officer that made first initial contact asked the men what they’re carrying. When one of the men replied with the obvious, “guns,” the officer then asked what kind of guns. The man tells the officer that they are carrying ARs as well as concealed pistols. “Real AR’s? the officer asked, failing to explain what he considers a “real” AR. Nonetheless the officer seemed a little more than irritated that the men chose to exercise their Second Amendment rights in such a manner.

The officer can be heard telling the other officers that he will “cover them” while the investigation continues. The officer then told the men, “I don’t understand what’s going on, but you’re both going back to the precinct.”

The men’s firearms were taken and the men were eventually put into handcuffs and placed in the back of the police car. At that point, an officer realized that one of the men had a video camera around his neck. The officer takes the video camera and attempts to turn it off.

Only what the officer didn’t realize is that only the video was shut off while the audio continued to record as the officers searched through the men’s belongings and scrambled to find a crime to charge them with.

The officer initially told the men that they were being investigated for a possible disorderly conduct, explaining that there is a “fine line” in which one can exercise their right to open carry.

However, the men were not acting in an alarming or threatening manner. They were simply walking down the street with AR-15s slung across their backs. And, in fact, the Appleton Police Department’s own website explains that simply openly carrying a firearm is not grounds to be charged with disorderly conduct.

According to the department’s website, “Unless the facts and circumstances indicate a malicious or criminal intent, a person may not be charged with an ordinance or criminal offense of disorderly conduct for going armed with a concealed or openly carried firearm.”

The officers then ran the men’s IDs, concealed carry permits and even the serial numbers on their guns, which one admitted were “good firearms.” But the officers didn’t come up with a single citation that they could issue.

About halfway through the video, unbeknown to the officers that the audio was still recording, one of the officers stated, “Oh, this is going to be a lawsuit.”

At one point, an officer even referred to a similar incident from 2011 in which five men were illegally detained after openly carrying firearms in a Madison restaurant. The men filed a federal lawsuit against the city as well as the officers involved and won, leaving the city to pay the men $10,000.

There have been no reports on whether or not a suit will be filed against the officers in Appleton who detained the men for about 40 minutes before apologizing and sending them on their way.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; opencarry; secondamendment; wi
There are video and audio links in the original article.
1 posted on 09/13/2013 5:11:49 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

We need to fight for our rights but I just don’t think this is the way. Too easy for something to go wrong or a cop to realize dead people don’t sue.


2 posted on 09/13/2013 5:23:34 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Suing is the legally defined path to behavior modification.

The responses of the victims seem a bit “flip”. Need to lose that.


3 posted on 09/13/2013 5:25:37 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: driftdiver

it’s the only way to get cops and others desensitized to people legally carrying firearms. it has to be recorded because it catches cops knowing they are violating people’s rights.

these cops are going to need people on their side in the future.


4 posted on 09/13/2013 5:41:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: driftdiver; All

Restoring the Constitution will not be easy.

Armed people intrinsicly have a sense of independence, power and freedom.

We cannot get there by allowing police to deny us rights that are lawfully ours.

It does not take very many actions like this one to educate the police.

We have had to do it in Arizona, now we have a modicum of restoration of the right to keep and bear arms.

It can happen in the rest of the country.

It is happening. This is part of it.


5 posted on 09/13/2013 5:57:36 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: driftdiver

How do you suggest we fight for our rights?

I really don’t consider it a fight if it doesn’t get at least a bit messy!!!


6 posted on 09/13/2013 6:05:01 PM PDT by T Wayne (If you know how many guns you have, you don't have enough!!!)
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To: marktwain

People who are afraid to exercise their rights don’t have them.


7 posted on 09/13/2013 6:07:56 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: marktwain

Secretly Monitor Cop Stops With New ACLU App

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/monitor-police-app/


8 posted on 09/13/2013 6:55:39 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: marktwain

It won’t take many events like this to get someone shot. In todays climate its more likely to result in laws to ban open carry than anything else.


9 posted on 09/13/2013 7:29:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: T Wayne

Well first we should start by insulting those who disagree with this tactic.


10 posted on 09/13/2013 7:29:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; All

“It won’t take many events like this to get someone shot. In todays climate its more likely to result in laws to ban open carry than anything else.”

You are welcome to your opinion.

I think the opposite will happen, just as it has happened with the open carry of pistols.

I am done backing up.

We have momentum. We need to keep moving forward.


11 posted on 09/13/2013 7:40:51 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

“I am done backing up.”

So you imply I am a coward because I think this tactic is foolish. bite me


12 posted on 09/13/2013 7:57:46 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; All

“So you imply I am a coward because I think this tactic is foolish. bite me”

No need to put words in my mouth. I merely stated a personal policy.


13 posted on 09/13/2013 8:03:40 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain; All

Yes so you did. Full of implications and all.

Its foolish and will backfire and result in more anti-gun laws.


14 posted on 09/13/2013 8:06:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Local conditions vary. I would not recommend this in Massachusetts, at least not at this time.

I believe it can work in Wisconsin and Texas, Arizona, a number of states. It has already worked well in Michigan.


15 posted on 09/13/2013 8:14:03 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: driftdiver
Its foolish and will backfire and result in more anti-gun laws.

The way rights are denied is letting the government illegally harass citizens until they conform....if you don't stand up to them and use it you lose it. Two legislators in Colorado are without a job because they voted for more "Anti Gun Laws". And Colorado is a red state. Those officers should be disciplined and trained so they will not harass citizens in the future!!!

16 posted on 09/14/2013 6:59:46 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: ontap

“Those officers should be disciplined and trained so they will not harass citizens in the future!!! “

Since the city has already been successfully sued I doubt it will have the desired effect.

Perhaps I just have talked to too many officers here in Tampa who are looking for an excuse to shoot someone.


17 posted on 09/14/2013 7:15:30 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

18 posted on 09/14/2013 7:24:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: driftdiver

Perhaps I just have talked to too many officers here in Tampa who are looking for an excuse to shoot someone....Then you, as a patriot (?) need to ensure those cops get fired. Any way you can. Cops are not a disease that kills you.


19 posted on 09/14/2013 7:24:51 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: driftdiver
Perhaps I just have talked to too many officers here in Tampa who are looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

Really.....that's an entirely different and much larger problem. These so called peace officers need to be fired! It sure as hell isn't a good reason to surrender one's 2nd amendment rights.

20 posted on 09/14/2013 7:27:46 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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To: Safetgiver

lol go for it sport


21 posted on 09/14/2013 7:40:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I didn’t talk to them. You did. You are a witness.


22 posted on 09/14/2013 7:43:23 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Safetgiver

As soon as you take on the rest of the corrupt cops in this country then I’ll get right on it.

unbelievable


23 posted on 09/14/2013 8:13:15 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

It’s gaining traction. This is good.


24 posted on 09/14/2013 8:16:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: driftdiver

Wrong.

Don’t be afraid.


25 posted on 09/14/2013 8:17:15 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: marktwain

These cops are criminals. See 18USC242.


26 posted on 09/14/2013 8:18:31 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: driftdiver; marktwain

Dd.... How else would you describe your outright fear? Mark didn’t i ply it at all... But your reaction is out of proportion.

From a psychological standpoint, you are projecting. Loudly.


27 posted on 09/14/2013 8:19:29 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: driftdiver

“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway.” John Wayne


28 posted on 09/14/2013 8:20:14 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: marktwain

Always check local and State laws before attempting to exercise a Right one political “side” or the other hates.

By it free speech or guns.


29 posted on 09/14/2013 8:20:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Lurker

Yep. Federal felony. Can carry a term of life imprisonment or even death as a penalty.

Not used nearly often enough.


30 posted on 09/14/2013 8:23:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

From a real perspective who gives a shit what you think.


31 posted on 09/14/2013 8:23:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lurker

Try quoting a real warrior and not an actor more know for his drinking and womanizing.


32 posted on 09/14/2013 8:24:45 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

You do, apparently, since you took the time to formulate such a witty riposte...


33 posted on 09/14/2013 8:26:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

18USC242:

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


34 posted on 09/14/2013 8:27:16 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Yep. That’s the one...

18USC241 is the matching “Conspiracy to Deprive Civil Rights Under Color of Law” charge.

Most of Congress is guilty of one or the other.


35 posted on 09/14/2013 8:29:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: driftdiver

Try this one on for size, although I doubt it will fit you well:

“Give me Liberty or give me death.” Patrick Henry.


36 posted on 09/14/2013 8:30:01 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: driftdiver

Show them to me and if I have statements from them, I will. I spent time getting incompetent, useless and ultra violent cops getting fired and imprisoned. I’d expect the same from you or anyone else who has the goods on these pricks. Unbelievable from a supposed conservative.


37 posted on 09/14/2013 8:31:53 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I believe there is a complimentary Civil act that would make these cops personally liable financially. They need to be sued into bankruptcy and imprisoned as an example.


38 posted on 09/14/2013 8:33:20 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: driftdiver

One man with courage is a Majority. Thomas Jefferson

Or if that isn’t good enough...

Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. Winston Churchill

If you aren’t going to join us in the first part of Winston’s sentiment... Sit down and listen.


39 posted on 09/14/2013 8:33:43 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Lurker

Agreed.


40 posted on 09/14/2013 8:35:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: driftdiver

By the way, I just had a cop in my hometown who refused to investigate his neighbor for child abuse and he is currently under investigation. His fellow officers watch every move I make but I DON’T CARE. Can you, the witness, say the same thing? If you supposedly heard a cop say these things, don’t you have the balls to bring it to someone in charge? Unbelievable.


41 posted on 09/14/2013 8:39:29 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Dead Corpse

What are you doing? Beyond your pretending to be tough on the internet?


42 posted on 09/14/2013 11:26:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lurker

So what are you doing mr hotshot?


43 posted on 09/14/2013 11:26:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Safetgiver

right, thats why we have so many corrupt politicians and cops.

you’ll get right on it as soon as you get permission to leave your Moms basement.


44 posted on 09/14/2013 11:27:55 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

My Mom died back in 1973 while I was a cop and turning in people who said they wanted to shoot people. How many thug cops you reported on, Nancy?


45 posted on 09/14/2013 11:53:06 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Safetgiver

Awwww did you dog die too?


46 posted on 09/14/2013 12:47:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

How would insulting you help the cause of protecting our rights?


47 posted on 09/14/2013 5:39:59 PM PDT by T Wayne (If you know how many guns you have, you don't have enough!!!)
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To: driftdiver

A little this. A little that. You know, nothing you’d approve of.


48 posted on 09/15/2013 8:45:00 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: driftdiver

If I have to hand you a playbook you don’t belong in the game.


49 posted on 09/15/2013 10:10:10 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Sure lurker, but the “play books” you use are called comic books by everyone else.

If you have to resort to insults everytime then you don’t have an argument.


50 posted on 09/15/2013 10:13:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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