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Obama To Labor Unions With Multi-Employer Health Plans: Drop Dead
Forbes ^ | 9/14/2013 | Roy Avik

Posted on 09/14/2013 7:26:21 AM PDT by xzins

Well played, Mr. President. Last week, prior to the big AFL-CIO convention in Los Angeles, President Obama personally spoke to AFL-CIO chief Richard Trumka, asking him to water down several anti-Obamacare resolutions that union leaders were planning to pass there. Trumka obliged, keeping a call to repeal Obamacare out of the official AFL-CIO resolution on the health law. Then, on Friday evening, after the convention was over, the Obama administration revealed that it would be ignoring unions’ demands to offer Obamacare’s subsidies to their members. As a result, some unions fear they will wither away. “I guarantee you by your next convention four years from now, you won’t meet a quarter of this room,” said Joseph Nigro, president of the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Union. “We won’t be here.”

Unions were seeking special treatment under Obamacare

This latest development was first reported by Ezra Klein of the Washington Post. Here’s the issue that was at stake. A number of labor unions participate in multi-employer health plans, also known as Taft-Hartley plans. These plans allow unions to organize all the restaurant workers in a particular county, taking advantage of the economies of scale that come from a larger insurance pool.

The problem is that businesses with less than 50 employees now have an incentive to drop health coverage for their employees and let those workers get coverage on the exchanges. It’s a better deal for those workers, and a better deal for their employers. But it’s a blow to the labor unions who organize the plans, because workers no longer need unions to negotiate their health coverage.

...labor leaders wrote, Obamacare would “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”

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To: Artcore

Basically... the Old Testament is God’s elementary school. Its lessons never become false within their domain, but they are not the complete picture any more than elementary school lessons would constitute college coursework.


21 posted on 09/14/2013 8:00:30 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: xzins

Yes, there is a band-together possibility here. Use the union impulse to good.


22 posted on 09/14/2013 8:01:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Mr. K

In answer to your query about why people join and follow unions. In 1967 and 68 when I was in college I worked summers as a laborer in NYC for Local 731 Int’l Laborers and Hod carriers. I was paid $4.75/hr. A good wage and better than most college kids got back then. If you go to inflation calculator you will find that $4.75 then is $33.22 today, but members of 731 make $41.29 plus $26 in benefits/hr. Given that construction has weather related down times the laborer still can make $75K-$85K per year plus benefits. And the laborer is at the bottom of the construction wage scale in NYC. Carpenters, electricians, wire lathers, ironworkers make more. The non union guys are making $25-$30/hr with very minimal bennies in the area. That’s why people join and stay in unions. Oh and back in 67 I worked my tail off for those 9 weeks and the guys I know who are 731 laborers today still do. One final thought. In May 1970 I and 100K other hardhats marched in support of President Nixon and the troops in Viet Nam in the hardhat parade. No one complained about us being union members then.


23 posted on 09/14/2013 8:03:42 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: xzins
“I guarantee you by your next convention four years from now, you won’t meet a quarter of this room,” said Joseph Nigro, president of the Sheet Metal, Air, Rail and Transportation Union. “We won’t be here.”

neither will 0blowme you stooopid union goon you...

24 posted on 09/14/2013 8:03:51 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: xzins

God help us.


25 posted on 09/14/2013 8:05:41 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: xkaydet65

One can’t wisely divorce one’s activity from an overall consciousness of the Lord. Money is a powerful motivator but it shouldn’t be one’s Lord and Savior. Unlike God who never perishes, it is possible to push the golden goose that lives on this sinful earth onto the endangered list. Atlas shrugged and looked abroad, the place where the unions hadn’t managed to go. Some kind of mutual reward system would have worked better for the overall term even if it didn’t yield quite as much money up front. IMHO.


26 posted on 09/14/2013 8:10:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: xzins
But with Republicans in firm control of the House of Representatives, Democrats have no ability to unilaterally rewrite Obamacare in order to please labor leaders.

Are you freaking kidding me? It's a Democrat bill. It always was a Democrat bill. If they have a problem with it, then they should keep in mind that Democrats did it. And on top of that, they continue to this day to support those very same Democrats.

Idiots.

27 posted on 09/14/2013 8:10:24 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: TEXOKIE

If everybody prayed that... God would do it.


28 posted on 09/14/2013 8:10:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Chode

YEP!-

Does not need the unions 4 years from now-
the illegals will be here voting for the Demons!

and .... the illegals will take your union Job-


29 posted on 09/14/2013 8:11:08 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: xzins
obama is the god of the labor unions from what I heard them [labor unions] espouse. They and obamacare, in my opinion, deserve each other. They were more than willing to inflict both [Obama and obamacare]on me. As far as I am concerned they can find another shoulder to cry on.
30 posted on 09/14/2013 8:12:16 AM PDT by sport
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To: mj1234

oh BTW-

This was one great article!- great quotes from
all the unions!-

GEEE... I wonder why the MSM is not covering this?

LOL


31 posted on 09/14/2013 8:13:06 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: xzins

The Unions sided with Satan and now Satan laughs at them.


32 posted on 09/14/2013 8:13:15 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle

And yet... in the sight of God, Satan is a little, blustery, cowardly runt.

The error can be fixed very quickly. It’s man’s choice here.


33 posted on 09/14/2013 8:14:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: xkaydet65

I have no problem with people assembling together and negotiating. They’re just using numbers to increase their strength against owners who sometimes seem to hold all the cards.

My problem with unions is the same as with anything: power corrupts. Once they got some influence, they then decided to: (1) use it to legislate perks to themselves, and (2) use it to force irrational rules on their workplaces. It is irrational to tell a business that person A can change a lightbulb and person B can’t. It’s crazy to say person A can pack a box but he can’t stack it. Using Hostess bakeries as an example, it’s crazy to say that Twinkies need to be carried one truck and bread has to be carried in another. They killed their companies with that kind of stupidity.


34 posted on 09/14/2013 8:14:52 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: sport

Personally, I think they’re our friends, neighbors, and fellow church members who’ve been led down a primrose path of deception.

I’d gladly have them vote to repeal ObamaCare


35 posted on 09/14/2013 8:17:24 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You know what God would do? Maybe you should pray a little more for some humility.


36 posted on 09/14/2013 8:18:05 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: xzins
Oh, let's not kid ourselves; if Obama with the stroke of the pen can exempt the legislature and their staffs from ObamaCare, and provide a subsidy, he can surely offer the same to these Unions. This is probably just public bluster on Obama’s part, with a little wink and a nod.
37 posted on 09/14/2013 8:18:20 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I really like what you said here. Makes no sense to my flesh, but does to my spirit!


38 posted on 09/14/2013 8:20:07 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: xzins

Ultimately all must put God first. Sometimes numbers are needed in order to push a point with another group. I think of different “red necks” who fought in the 30’s (IIRC) against ridiculously dangerous mining conditions in West Virginia. They were actually helping, not hurting, a stubborn selfish mining management as well as themselves. They took pride in what they were doign.

However pride in one’s work shouldn’t slide into self sufficient egotism. It should be equivalent to giving God the glory in it and boasting, ultimately, about what God has done. When the first long distance telegraph was sent, it asked “What hath God wrought?” In an awe that to today’s jaded ears is quite lost. And needs to be found again, post haste. We should be asking that in spades at every single technological wonder we encounter today. “What hath God wrought?”


39 posted on 09/14/2013 8:20:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar

I say it boldly because the Bible promises it!!

Prayers made according to His will (which in fact is to help us... we are piteously helpless, so filled with pride we are) are always always always always always answered YES.

Can’t know any better than that.

How about getting some humility on your part, that you can’t tell God no when God makes a promise!


40 posted on 09/14/2013 8:22:19 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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