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Japan's Nuclear Migraine: A Never-Ending Disaster at Fukushima
SPIEGEL ONLINE / ABC News ^ | September 14, 2013 | Von Marco Evers

Posted on 09/14/2013 8:47:06 AM PDT by SteveH

(SPEIGEL ONLINE)

Japan is stumbling helplessly from one crisis to the next as it battles the ongoing disaster at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. US nuclear inspector Dale Klein is demanding the intervention of foreign experts, but a quick solution is unlikely.

This week, the chief nuclear officers of around 100 American nuclear power plant reactors are taking a field trip. They are travelling to Japan and then taking a bus to Fukushima. There, dressed in protective suits, they will walk through the ruins left behind by the earthquake of the century, the tsunami of the century and the resulting triple nuclear reactor meltdown that occurred in March 2011.

"I can assure you when they get back from this trip, all of these chief nuclear officers will double their safety precautions," says Dale Klein, who has made the same trip and describes it as "very sobering." Klein, who was head of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission until 2009, now serves as chair of the Nuclear Reform Monitoring Committee, which advises Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), the company that once ran the Fukushima power plant and is now responsible for cleaning up the site. In the eyes of industry experts and the Japanese public alike, the company has proved one thing unequivocally -- that it is in far over its head in trying to handle the aftermath of the disaster.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fukushima; fukushimacrisis; tepco

1 posted on 09/14/2013 8:47:06 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

And nuke power plants are needed if everyone is going to be driving electric cars.


2 posted on 09/14/2013 8:49:19 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: SteveH

This just keeps destroying the image of the Japanese as capable people.

One of the worst public relations disasters ever, and it keeps producing images of incompetence.


3 posted on 09/14/2013 8:55:12 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: ansel12

I feel their pain. Our country keeps producing embarrassing images of incompetence as well. And yet I know there are many capable people who live and work here, just as there are in Japan.


4 posted on 09/14/2013 8:57:39 AM PDT by married21
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To: married21

Interesting that you felt the need to attack America in your post.


5 posted on 09/14/2013 9:08:26 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Libertarians, the left's social agenda with conservatism's economics, which is impossible of course)
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To: SteveH

Is it true they went to a local store to buy batteries and they did not have a credit card to pay for them- so they didn’t get them?

If they had more backup battery, and made getting backup generators #1 priority, this would have gone down as the single biggest success in Nuclear Power history

Fortunately, the Japanese tend to learn from their mistakes


6 posted on 09/14/2013 9:08:46 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: SteveH

To the Asian cultures, losing face, being humiliated, is the worst thing that can happen to a person. They would rather let a disaster exacerbate itself than to admit they’ve been wrong and get help.

I’ve got a solution, if they will just call me. I’ll only charge them enough to pay off my house, which isn’t much.


7 posted on 09/14/2013 9:09:45 AM PDT by lurk
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To: SteveH

Lots more details at:

http://enenews.com

(Their website seems to be down at the moment I’m posting this.)


8 posted on 09/14/2013 9:11:32 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: lurk

What’s the solution?


9 posted on 09/14/2013 9:14:53 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Seen any scandal headlines lately?)
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To: SteveH

I remember watching this unfold, and all the engineers were saying: "It's designed with failsafe systems, it will be contained, just a few REMs released from venting maybe. These things can't fail."

Meanwhile were seeing pictures of blown-out housing buildings, video of explosions and shockwaves, reports of constant venting, and spiking radiation readings. An area about 25 miles in diameter was evacuated of all civilian population. This was a disaster.

10 posted on 09/14/2013 9:19:37 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Rennes Templar

What’s the solution?

Hee hee. I can’t tell you, but I know it would work.


11 posted on 09/14/2013 9:20:39 AM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk
They would rather let a disaster exacerbate itself than to admit they’ve been wrong and get help.

Not just Asians my friend. That is a hard core character trait of every leftist statist. Just look how long it is taking them to admit they were wrong about Global Warming. They would rather send the world into an Ice Age completely unprepared, then to admit they were wrong. And now they are exposing their own citizens to excessive nuclear radiation rather then admit they were wrong about building nuclear power plants in fault zones.

12 posted on 09/14/2013 9:41:47 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: Fido969

Fukushima Units 1 through 4 use the Mark I Containment. What you see in the pictures you posted is the secondary containment building that surrounds a steel structure, which resembles an upside down light bulb. The reactor is inside the “light bulb”. The fact you cannot see the “light bulb shape” in the pictures you post is evidence that the accident was contained — the molten fuel stayed inside containment as intended.

Heating water to a very high temperature will cause the hydrogen and oxygen to separate. Hydrogen atoms being very small are difficult to contain. Enough hydrogen built up in secondary containment to reach an explosive mixture level. What the picture you post shows is a hydrogen gas explosion.

The 25 mile evacuation area is primarily a precaution.


13 posted on 09/14/2013 9:43:35 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Fido969
There were some absolutely absurd statements made in the defense of this failed energy technology sector.

Who could ever forget Ann Coulter saying a little radiation is harmless.

Or that Japanese politician that said if you smile radiation wont harm you.

Then of course the Nuclear Industry pimps who claimed the buildings were designed to blow up in this circumstance.

Then we went through weeks of denials that any meltdowns had occurred.

And who could forever forget the Cold Shutdown celebrations at the end of the first year.

All memorable quotes and circumstances to be place upon the tombstone for this civilization.

14 posted on 09/14/2013 9:50:07 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: sefarkas

You do realize they have not located the cores yet for the reactors. That is after looking for 2 1/2 years. Elvis and his comrades have left the building. In fact that explosion you see is actually a steam explosion. It marked the point of total loss of containment. All easily calculated knowing the circumstances and the burn through rates.


15 posted on 09/14/2013 9:52:54 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: justa-hairyape
In fact that explosion you see is actually a steam explosion.

The explosion was an H2 combustion explosion. Steam explosion is only a hypothesis in risk assessment. The core is in the reactor inside the primary containment building.
16 posted on 09/14/2013 9:56:31 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: sefarkas

They have sent robotic cameras into the reactors. No cores have been found. They have sent robotic cameras into the core catch area. No cores have been found. There is more radiation in the water at the bottom of unit #2 torus then in the water inside the unit #2 reactor. Even the NRC Emergency manuals tell you what was going to occur. And it did. Melt through of RPV within a few hours, melt through of concrete floor and CV within 1-2 days. All like clockwork. The only abnormality was the lack of an explosion in unit #2. Some suspect a lot of the molten corium went out through the downcomers in that reactors so there was not a massive steam explosion when breaking out of concrete floor into sandstone. Unit #3 core is deep into the water table now. Unit #1 core is not as deep. Unit #2 unfortunately spread out and is now making the ground surface radiate excessively.


17 posted on 09/14/2013 10:13:07 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: SteveH

“...tsunami of the century...”

Uhhh, I think the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami, which killed 230,000 people in 14 countries, vs 18,500 in Japan’s Fukushima Prefecture, is probably still the titleholder for that one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami

&

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster


18 posted on 09/14/2013 10:26:22 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: SteveH

No amount of money would get me near there.


19 posted on 09/14/2013 11:12:50 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: SteveH
This is the nightmare version of Lucy in the chocolate factory .The radioactive water keeps coming and they are frantically and haphazardly trying to store it anywhere . There was no mention in the article about the plutonium core/fuel rods that are perched precariously over reactor 4. The crane used to move the rods was destroyed .
20 posted on 09/14/2013 11:12:51 AM PDT by pterional
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To: justa-hairyape

I’m guessing they wouldn’t be asking for help if they weren’t concerned about the Olympics.


21 posted on 09/14/2013 11:18:47 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

from the article:
“Accordingly, the situation at Fukushima two and a half years after the nuclear meltdown can at best be described as tenuous. Rather than implementing a clearly thought-out disaster management plan, TEPCO’s approach has been a haphazard patchwork.”

I wonder how many Olympians will be surprised to learn the true state of affairs in Japan. They’ve been told it was wrapped up and stable years ago - the MSM told them so!


22 posted on 09/14/2013 11:26:20 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: pterional
There was no mention in the article about the plutonium core/fuel rods that are perched precariously over reactor 4. The crane used to move the rods was destroyed.

Similar rods are also found in the spent fuel pools of #1, #2 and #3. Everything out of Japan is Kabuki theater. The 1,000 tanks that are holding the filtered highly radioactive water are starting to leak. The Japanese knew this was going to happen because the tanks are constructed of SS400 steel with non-welded joints. They have installed a ditch/moat around the tanks and the leaking water is being directed straight into the ocean. The ground under the reactor buildings subsided tremendously during the quake and continues to subside during the aftershocks. Worse case scenario, one of the buildings collapses into the honeycombed and liquified ground that the melted core ate through. Then they abandon the site. More collapses and it is time to cue up Jim Morrison. Pretty much inevitable at this point in time. When will it occur ? Well the CDC has an Emergency Order to ramp up Medical Stations & EMERGENCY Stockpile Supply Deliveries to the Pacific Rim by October 21st. The cover is the bird flu.

UNUSUAL URGENT ACTIVITY: CDC Readies MULTIPLE Medical Stations & EMERGENCY Stockpile Supply Deliveries to the Pacific Rim

23 posted on 09/14/2013 11:30:21 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: ransomnote
I’m guessing they wouldn’t be asking for help if they weren’t concerned about the Olympics.

They just wanted that Olympic seed money. Dishonest Abe flat out lied when he told the Olympic committee that the radioactive water leaks were 100 % confined to the harbor.

24 posted on 09/14/2013 11:47:45 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: justa-hairyape
It is disingenuous to repeat the speculation of Richard Lahey (the Dean of my Nuclear Engineering program at Rensselaer back in the day) as it were fact. You serve no one but the anti-nuclear / enviro-wackos (and their oil industry sponsors) with your postings. How did you infer "corium" from the following description?

On 15 June 2012 TEPCO reported that a robot that was sent into the No. 2 reactor building on 13 June 2012 to take video images and radiation measurements, detected a reading of 880mSv (millisieverts) per hour of radiation on the fifth floor, which one floor (4.5 meters) directly above the reactor containment vessel. TEPCO suspects that during initial accident in March 2011, that radioactive substances leaked from the No. 2 reactor moved through the building, but after analyzing the images taken by the robot it could not find the exact route the radioactive substances traveled, and images taken by the robot found no major damage on the fifth floor. During the March 2011 nuclear accident the No. 2 reactor is believed to have released the largest amount of radioactive substances. But the overall route the radioactive material traveled has yet to be determined. TEPCO needs to find and repair the damaged parts of the reactor to recover melted nuclear fuel before TEPCO can begin the process of decommissioning the reactor. However high radiation often stops workers from entering the building. This scenario means it will take a long time to find the problems in the containment vessel.

Recall that the ECCS at TMI-2 was pumping UO2 pellets around the system. Those were quite radioactive; however, pellets are different than chunks of "corium". The "corium" at TMI-2 stayed in the reactor vessel.

Your friendly environmental control robot has had no access to the interior of the reactor pressure vessel at any of the four damaged units Fukushima.
25 posted on 09/14/2013 1:12:39 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: ansel12

Wow. I wasn’t thinking about any hostility toward America. I’m a proud patriot, thank you. I was thinking about the embarrassment of Obama’s Syria fiasco, and how incompetent people in charge can make it look like the country is incompetent, when it is really just the current leadership that is.

America is better than Obama and Japan is better than TEPCO.

Does that clarify things?


26 posted on 09/14/2013 1:29:37 PM PDT by married21
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To: married21

America again, you know that this is about Japan and it’s enduring nightmare related to the failings at Fukushima that are destroying any hopes for us that were hoping for a nuclear revival?


27 posted on 09/14/2013 1:40:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: ansel12

I have no intelligent comments to make about the extent of the Fukushima disaster or how to solve it and get nuclear power development revived. I’m sorry to have distracted you.


28 posted on 09/14/2013 1:43:27 PM PDT by married21
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...that are destroying any hopes for us that were hoping for a nuclear revival?

Nope. It was a lack of listening to the three whistle blower resigning engineers who pointed out design flaws within these reactors. If you had not built them in the first place, they never would have failed.

29 posted on 09/14/2013 2:16:16 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: justa-hairyape

Yeah, that was part of what I was saying. This entire thing is a mess.


30 posted on 09/14/2013 3:26:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet. Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: sefarkas
It is disingenuous to repeat the speculation of Richard Lahey (the Dean of my Nuclear Engineering program at Rensselaer back in the day) as it were fact. You serve no one but the anti-nuclear / enviro-wackos (and their oil industry sponsors) with your postings.

You probably do not even realize I have had freepers accuse me of being in the pocket of the oil companies because I did not believe AGW. Well, I still do not believe AGW. But I do live in Texas now. So maybe they were right about the oil connection after all. Would not mind working the oil platforms around here. Good money. Just a little too dangerous for me. My business is one that gets hurt with higher cost electrical generation. So I am going against my best interests. The exact opposite of what you infer. And no, I do not run a casino.

How did you infer "corium" from the following description?

On 15 June 2012 TEPCO reported that a robot that was sent into the No. 2 reactor building on 13 June 2012 to take video images and radiation measurements, detected a reading of 880mSv (millisieverts) per hour of radiation on the fifth floor, which one floor (4.5 meters) directly above the reactor containment vessel. TEPCO suspects that during initial accident in March 2011, that radioactive substances leaked from the No. 2 reactor moved through the building, but after analyzing the images taken by the robot it could not find the exact route the radioactive substances traveled, and images taken by the robot found no major damage on the fifth floor. During the March 2011 nuclear accident the No. 2 reactor is believed to have released the largest amount of radioactive substances. But the overall route the radioactive material traveled has yet to be determined. TEPCO needs to find and repair the damaged parts of the reactor to recover melted nuclear fuel before TEPCO can begin the process of decommissioning the reactor. However high radiation often stops workers from entering the building. This scenario means it will take a long time to find the problems in the containment vessel.

Well, first of all, Tepco has just now admitted to reporting fake lower radiation levels for a 2 year period. So their previous radiation readings are now all suspect.

Second of all, radiation levels have been increasing phenomenally just the past few days. The situation is in a massive state of flux with conditions sometimes changing hourly.

Third of all, we are talking four different reactor buildings with four different and unique problems and core compositions.

Reactor 2 suffered what Michio Kaku called complete liquefaction of its core. He was referencing a secret briefing he got as one of Obamas security advisers. Most people did not realize what that meant. Unfortunately it meant Elvis squeezed down and went out the piping. Very little damage. That liquid corium probably flew into #4 via undergound conduits between all the reactors. That is what caused the #4 wall to melt before a witnesses eyes. The situation is deteriorating. The past two weeks there has been a systematic data dump on Fukushima realities. There are prepping everyone for something major. IMHO.

Recall that the ECCS at TMI-2 was pumping UO2 pellets around the system. Those were quite radioactive; however, pellets are different than chunks of "corium". The "corium" at TMI-2 stayed in the reactor vessel.

Nope. Broke one seal and entered a control rod assembly. Did not break out though. Had one more seal left to break.

Your friendly environmental control robot has had no access to the interior of the reactor pressure vessel at any of the four damaged units Fukushima.

There have been drilling holes into the RPV to reinsert new temperature sensors as the old ones are all failing. Especially in unit #2. Odd that.

31 posted on 09/14/2013 5:51:16 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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Your ability to cite speculators is astounding. An anti-nuke verbally relaying the content of a "secret briefing" hardly constitutes a fact. In case you missed it, the corium is still in each of the four reactor vessels.

Kaku has publicly stated his concerns over matters including the anthropogenic cause of global warming, nuclear armament, nuclear power and the general misuse of science. He was critical of the Cassini–Huygens space probe because of the 72 pounds (33 kg) of plutonium contained in the craft for use by its radioisotope thermoelectric generator. Conscious of the possibility of casualties if the probe's fuel were dispersed into the environment during a malfunction and crash as the probe was making a 'sling-shot' maneuver around Earth, Kaku publicly criticized NASA's risk assessment. He has also spoken on the dangers of space junk and called for more and better monitoring. ...

Kaku credits his anti-nuclear war position to programs he heard on the Pacifica Radio network, during his student years in California. .... Kaku joined with others such as Helen Caldicott, Jonathan Schell and Peace Action, and was instrumental in building a global anti-nuclear weapons movement that arose in the 1980s, during the administration of U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

Kaku was a board member of Peace Action and of radio station WBAI-FM in New York City, where he originated his long-running program, Explorations, that focused on the issues of science, war, peace and the environment.

32 posted on 09/15/2013 9:30:44 AM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: sefarkas
Kaku misspoke. He said something that was not supposed to be said in public. The truth as President Obama knew it. And in case you do not know who you are debating, been anti-AGW from day one. Fought that good fight and won. And publicly was against the CFC ban due to the faulty Ozone Hole science. Lost that debate, but in the end science and truth won. We now know the UV light emitted by the sun controls the ozone layer thickness. Not stupid apes.

In case you missed it, the corium is still in each of the four reactor vessels.

Absolutely impossible. Reactor #4 had no nuclear fuel loaded in its core at the time of the accident. Perhaps you meant to say that some of Reactors #2's core can now be found in Reactor #4 ? According to the NRC Emergency manual. loss of containment had to occur due to the circumstances. If it did not, perhaps you would like to explain the miracles that stopped basic physics from occurring.

33 posted on 09/15/2013 11:47:42 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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