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Some City Residents Being Fined For Parking In Their Own Driveway (Pittsburgh)
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com ^ | september 11, 2013

Posted on 09/14/2013 10:47:07 AM PDT by lowbridge

It sounds absurd: tickets and warning letters for parking in your own driveway.

But Pittsburgh City Councilman Corey O’Connor says it’s happened on two city streets – one in the West End and one in Squirrel Hill. And he fears, it could happen elsewhere.

“This could happen tomorrow to any resident of the city of Pittsburgh,” said O’Connor.

“This is where I’ve been parking for over 18 years,” said Eileen Freedman, as she pointed at the driveway to her home on Hobart Street in Squirrel Hill.

She says she recently got a warning letter from the Pittsburgh’s Bureau of Building Inspection.

“We’re no longer allowed to use our driveway to park, because of a law that says you have to park at least 30 feet away from the street,” said Freedman.

She says there wouldn’t be space to park 30 feet back between her home and the neighboring one because it’s just too narrow.

A pregnant mother of seven who lives across the street is trying to follow the rule, but can’t get out of the driver’s side of her van anymore. She has to crawl out of the passenger’s side when she parks the vehicle between her home and her neighbor’s.

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburgh.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: driveway; pittsburgh

1 posted on 09/14/2013 10:47:07 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

The law is unconstitutional because the city has no right or control thereof property it does not own. Patent bullshit Gestapo tactics meant to forces law abiding citizens to their will without benefit of the law being on their side. Unless their right of way extends up the driveway they are just bullshitting.


2 posted on 09/14/2013 10:50:46 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: lowbridge

I ain’t stupid, I see what is going on in my city and this likely applies to Pittsburgh too. The elites are attempting to transition people from cars to bicycles, no sheet. There are parts of downtown blocked off from cars, parking lots are getting eaten up by new construction and rent a bike stalls are popping up.


3 posted on 09/14/2013 10:55:45 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Gaffer
What property doesn't the government own?

They will allow you to squat on their land as long as the taxes are paid and you follow all the rules for using their land.

4 posted on 09/14/2013 10:57:33 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: lowbridge
Would it be cruel of me to suspect that the City of Pittsburgh is run by Rats?
5 posted on 09/14/2013 10:59:17 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Gaffer
All kinds of control...health, safety and welfare...

Even in Williamsburg Va...the Colonial Capital...way back when...they had rules about fencing and animals running around.

6 posted on 09/14/2013 10:59:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: lowbridge

I’d say they are kicking the encouragement to abandon our automobiles into high gear.


7 posted on 09/14/2013 10:59:46 AM PDT by Tomato lover ( Jesus is Lord of all)
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To: lowbridge

Is there supposed to be some reason for this incredibly stupid law, or do they just enjoy being a-holes?


8 posted on 09/14/2013 11:01:39 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: lowbridge

Be careful who you vote for.


9 posted on 09/14/2013 11:03:34 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: lowbridge

Yankee liberal nonsense. These people want to move down here because they screwed up the north. STAY AWAY!


10 posted on 09/14/2013 11:10:23 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: yldstrk

My first time in China, people were poor and everyone rode a bicycle. There were a few motor vehicles. Only time I saw a nice car (i.e. Mercedes sedan) it was Party officials.

My 2nd time in China, years later, China was more rich and prosperous courtesy the USA and other countries sending their jobs to China. Few bicycles, cars and motorcycles plus more buses and trucks.

When the USA was prosperous, motor vehicles....as the USA becomes a poor former-1st World country, more bicycles.

Like China when it was poor....

There is a lesson here, but not one Liberals or Obababots could ever figure out.


11 posted on 09/14/2013 11:11:05 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: oldbrowser

I’m starting to feel like America is getting everything it voted for and finally getting all the government they paid for.


12 posted on 09/14/2013 11:12:07 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: OldArmy52

....sorry if not clear....2nd time in China, few bicycles but heavy motor vehicle traffic...people more prosperous and discarded their bicycles for motorcycles, cars, vans, trucks, etc.


13 posted on 09/14/2013 11:13:18 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Gaffer

This is obviously NOT true. The simple fact is that a city CAN and DOES have the power to set land usage regulations within its borders. I was on a city board some years ago and a bunch of town-beautifiers tried getting RVs outlawed from being parked in front of houses.

The city DID have the power to do that - it was just political suicide to do it. What they couldn’t do (in CA) was to make it illegal to park in front of your house. That was governed by CA State driving codes, etc. However - they could cite for being parked for longer than 72 hours for ANY vehicle - State Code provides for that.

Your mileage may vary per state - but I suspect any municipality has the authority to set rules affecting your property rights. Happens all the time and courts allow it.

Note - I think it SUCKS!


14 posted on 09/14/2013 11:31:04 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve

I just re-read this - I need to distinguish between “in front of your house IN YOUR DRIVEWAY” and “in front of your house on the public street.” The city COULD control in a driveway, but not on the street.


15 posted on 09/14/2013 11:32:51 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: smokingfrog
Is there supposed to be some reason for this incredibly stupid law, or do they just enjoy being a-holes?

We have winner!

16 posted on 09/14/2013 11:42:19 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: smokingfrog
You'll like this one....Sheds in your rear yard have to be 15 feet from each property line. Now how did they come up with this number??

Seems house sideline setbacks are 15 feet...so and I quote the chief honcho"...if you're walking along and look down the opening, you won't see the shed".

I couldn't help myself...I said "you mean the board has 8 dummies including yourself"?

17 posted on 09/14/2013 11:47:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Tomato lover

I’d say they are kicking the encouragement to kick their collective a$$e$ to the curb into high gear.


18 posted on 09/14/2013 11:48:14 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Sacajaweau
Seems house sideline setbacks are 15 feet...so and I quote the chief honcho"...if you're walking along and look down the opening, you won't see the shed".

Well, thank goodness for government regulations. I don't know what I'd do if I were walking along and happened to see a shed.

19 posted on 09/14/2013 11:55:56 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: yldstrk

Agenda 21.


20 posted on 09/14/2013 11:58:31 AM PDT by miele man
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To: lowbridge

In some towns it is illegal to block the sidewalk with your vehicle. One man got a ticket for blocking a place where a sidewalk would have been if there had been a sidewalk.

In another town, it was illegal to park on the street. Many homes had narrow driveways going to a garage in the back yard. Most of these laws went on the books back in the 1920s.


21 posted on 09/14/2013 12:03:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Leaning Right

One of the town locals said I should be on the board...I told her I’d be afraid of strangling someone.


22 posted on 09/14/2013 12:16:31 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

If you’re blocking the sidewalk, that’s a different story, especially if the city maintains the sidewalk. But no sidewalk is going to be 30 ft. from the street.


23 posted on 09/14/2013 12:20:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: yldstrk

You put too much thought into this. A better explanation is that O’Connor prodded someone to enforce this old law just so he could get on the news and play hero.

He wants to be mayor like his old man was. Not some big conspiracy.


24 posted on 09/14/2013 12:21:00 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: smokingfrog

Is there supposed to be some reason for this incredibly stupid law, or do they just enjoy being a-holes?
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They do like that, but here in the City of Pittsburgh its almost certainly about the fine money. They are looking for money, the number of parking meters, residential parking zones and enforcement has really exploded over the past several years. Mr. Peduto, the councilman who will be mayor in January, proposed traffic signal cameras 5 years or so ago and was quite blunt that the idea was to generate money from tickets- he didn’t even make a pretense of saying it had anything to do with safety.

The law in question was passed 60 years ago and was never enforced, until suddenly now. Some wise acre in a city office found it in the ancient scrolls and the light bulb went off in his bureaucratic mind that this was found money.

I sincerely doubt that the city government wants to get people out of their cars. Fewer cars means less traffic or parking tickets and that means less money.


25 posted on 09/14/2013 12:22:15 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Tomato lover
It sure would be interesting to see all us older citizens in our 60/70/80’s pedaling down the center of the road almost in a fetal position due to all the arthritis and other age related things. That would sure slow down traffic..
26 posted on 09/14/2013 12:24:30 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: smokingfrog
A lot of older northeastern towns have narrow streets, and in the winter it is reasonable to ask people to park well away from the streets so that snow plows can clear the roadways without damaging cars that are parked too close.

If that is in fact, the rationale behind the Pittsburgh rule, it's downright asinine to enforce it in August/September.

27 posted on 09/14/2013 12:26:38 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Sacajaweau

LOL


28 posted on 09/14/2013 12:27:40 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: OldArmy52

Exactly. When I was kid in grammar school we used to get these weekly or monthly newsletters with stories from around the world.

I still remember the pictures from China with all the bikes and no cars on the streets.

Went to Canada a few years ago and saw major streets in cities with entire lanes closed to cars and open only to bikes.

Now in my own smallish town in AZ they have announced “bike boulevards” where cars will be restricted or banned and only bikes allowed to use.

I wonder when the kids in China will look at pictures of the people in the USA riding bikes and be thankful they live in such a wonderful country that still allows cars and coal power plants...


29 posted on 09/14/2013 12:28:35 PM PDT by Breyean
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To: Sacajaweau

LOL #2 keep going I am having a laughing fit...would love to have seen you in action...


30 posted on 09/14/2013 12:31:20 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Gaffer

Not true, local government has been enforcing set-back rules on your property for many, many years.


31 posted on 09/14/2013 12:32:20 PM PDT by expat2
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To: lowbridge

Plank #1 of the Communist Manifesto is the abolition of private property.


32 posted on 09/14/2013 1:08:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: expat2

Not after the house was built and approved e.g., inspected and given a CoO. I know better.


33 posted on 09/14/2013 1:52:26 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Not true, and not better. If you want to now build a garage in the set-back area, you will find it is still there.


34 posted on 09/14/2013 1:57:41 PM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2

You’re talking building regs and I say if they change that AND/ORzoning after it is already built and approved fir occupancy it is grandfathered for the owner. I ve seen this dozens of times

Besides we’re talking parking and it would be simple to sue under constructive endorsement given multiple instances where they condone the same infraction in other locations with the same rule


35 posted on 09/14/2013 2:52:37 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: lowbridge

36 posted on 09/14/2013 3:05:42 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I’d like to see the snow plow that left a 30 foot wide pile of snow in its wake.


37 posted on 09/14/2013 8:04:19 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: sneakers; prisoner6

ping


38 posted on 09/15/2013 8:55:32 PM PDT by cyn (Benghazi.)
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