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In Russia, politics and nationalist pride are the basis of Putinís anti-American turn
Washington Post ^ | Sept 14, 2013 | By Kathy Lally and Will Englund,

Posted on 09/14/2013 3:31:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Tailgunner Joe
In Grozny.......

Did you expect anybody to build the largest Catholic church in Europe in Grozny???????????

Seek help.

51 posted on 09/14/2013 10:08:45 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

It’s so nice that Putin like the Chechen muslims so much that he’s given them billions of dollars of the Russian people’s money and let them build the biggest mosque in Europe on Russian soil and encourage polygamy, and force Russian citizens to wear headscarves. Isn’t it awesome that he sent the Chechen jihadists to slaughter Orthodox Christians in Georgia and sent them to Lebanon as “peacekeepers” to defend Hizballah from Israel? Doesn’t it prove what a great Christian he is?


52 posted on 09/14/2013 10:17:04 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Jim Robinson

Well said.


53 posted on 09/15/2013 3:45:27 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: workerbee

If this was describing Obama, it would read:

In the USA, politics and nationalist pride are not the basis of Obama’s anti-American turn


54 posted on 09/15/2013 3:58:01 AM PDT by Netz
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To: maine-iac7
Putin was born and raised in Communist Russia - his father was a Communist his mother, who had him baptized in secret, was not.

Putin would have been a street sweeper or some such, had he not been a party member...

There is no Russian Putin's age, born and raised before the fall of Soviet Communism, that could have risen to the office of President or Prime Minister, without being a member of the Communist party, service in some Soviet alphabet agency and authoritarian methods. Such were the times and the nature of Communism in Russia.

Putin's legacy will be what direction he takes Russia, and the changes in Russian society and life AFTER his rise to positions of power, and that could reasonably interpreted as his intent.

Assuming Putin isn't subjected to the false leftist progressive cult religion of revisionist history, we will have the answer then.

55 posted on 09/15/2013 4:36:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I wish we had a leader that was as Pro-American as Putin is Pro-Russian.


56 posted on 09/15/2013 4:51:24 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: dfwgator

“Putin - Doing the job the Republicans refuse to do.”

The perfect tag line!


57 posted on 09/15/2013 5:14:24 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: 1rudeboy

Imagine you are an American dissident, facing prison and thinking of fleeing overseas. Feel better that there is a mosque down the street? Obama is no better than Putin and at least Putin is trying to protect his nation.


58 posted on 09/15/2013 5:22:32 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Jim Robinson

Washington Post has ignored certain facts and twisted others.
For instance , Putin stopped adoptions not just because he thought and KNEW there were unfit parents here but the Russian ids were going to homosexuals as pawns in their agenda and that he was fed up of seeing a declining Russian population and seeing Russian kids being taken from their motherland.

Also what right do we have to demand that their country gives away their kids to us?


59 posted on 09/15/2013 5:44:16 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Viennacon

Yes , Homosexuals were getting Russian children by lying who they were and then using these kids as pawns once back in America.
There were many instances of Americans being dead beat parents to these children to .

Washington Post is in mode n cover for their messiah again.


60 posted on 09/15/2013 5:46:21 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: greene66

exactly


61 posted on 09/15/2013 5:51:28 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: maine-iac7

At least Putin acts like a Russian
Obama acts like a foreign fag who downstream even know how many states there are


62 posted on 09/15/2013 5:55:18 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Rome2000

All Obama cares about his getting people on welfare and pushing his homosexual agenda onto the country and then wonders why he;s looked at as a total loser on the world stage and has become a laughing stock.


63 posted on 09/15/2013 5:58:11 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Moorings

I don’t think that the new Vietnam style war in Afghanistan that has allowed the Taliban and Al-Quaeda a relatively safe haven in Pakistan (drone strikes and Bin Laden killing exceptions).

The Pakistani intelligence agency created the Taliban and supports it to this day.

Obama wants to pull out troops and hold peace talks just like Nixon did in Vietnam.

But George W Bush started this thing and refused to deal with Pakistan just like Lyndon Johnson only pin pricked North Vietnam with bombs back in the 1960’s.

In war there is no substitute for victory and Bush chose to continue to play the limted no-win war game after 9/11.


64 posted on 09/15/2013 6:40:49 AM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: dfwgator
Putin - Doing the job the Republicans refuse to do.

Yep

65 posted on 09/15/2013 6:52:26 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It’s so nice that Putin likes the Chechen muslims so much that he’s given them billions of dollars of the Russian people’s money and let them build the biggest mosque in Europe on Russian soil and encourage polygamy, and force Russian citizens to wear headscarves. Isn’t it awesome that he sent the Chechen jihadists to slaughter Orthodox Christians in Georgia and sent them to Lebanon as “peacekeepers” to defend Hizballah from Israel? Doesn’t it prove what a great Christian he is?

Good post. It is important to maintain a knowledge of history with which to maintain perspective. Now, for twenty points, integrate the two trends into a coherent picture of Putin's strategy. There is no doubt he has one.

66 posted on 09/15/2013 7:03:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: varmintman

Wow. What a beautiful church!


67 posted on 09/15/2013 8:08:22 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Jim Robinson

“By the end of last year, Putin decided Americans had become unfit to adopt Russian children. This summer, he decided to harbor Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency document leaker, despite strenuous U.S. objections.”

Good for Putin on both counts. More particularly, because gays and lesbians can adopt children here he wanted to save them from moral bankruptcy and the amoralism of the west.


68 posted on 09/15/2013 8:47:17 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Jim Robinson

My brother who was killed on Okinawa in WWII and I who also served in the Pacific were and are children of Russian immigrants. We were brought up to learn about both nations by our mother after our ‘white Russian’ father died before I was born. I am as proud of my Russian heritage as Obama is of his part African or anyone else with foreign heritage. Russia historically has contributed to the sciences and arts especially music. I believe there is a gene factor involved as much as in the Germans and centuries of free USA citizens. I believe Putin is very much aware of how west Europe financial interests, which extends to the USA, especially the Rothchilds have interfered in Russian society since the early 1900s. It would be good to have both my USA nation and the Russian nation get together on matters that would benefit both nations, especially the fight against Islamic proselyting against fundamental constitutions of the Nations. Until such happens I will stand by the nation of my birth which has given me so much in my lifetime.


69 posted on 09/15/2013 10:06:55 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Jim Robinson

I see todays russia as a lot like germany after wwI. A country who just lost a war (in russia’s case the cold war) believing that in spite of everything they (in their minds) are superior. and eager to prove it by getting revenge on their enemies.


70 posted on 09/15/2013 12:17:06 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (EVERYTHING IS RACISM!!! except hating whitey)
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To: Jim Robinson

When a kid steals or hurt his friend, he rationalizes by finding a reason to hate the guy he hurt. Liberals have been taught as useful idiots to foreigners and communists to hate their neighbors while smiling so that it is easier to rob them later on if opportunity arises. Since they are cowards, they have to hate America and themselves.

whenever we raise kids to be weak, it is what happens. they delve into Esau’s cursing his own inheritence... and they call it empoowerment... wow... more like despair.


71 posted on 09/15/2013 2:20:54 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Tailgunner Joe; varmintman

i think Putin is using the german model of certified religions by the state. France also has such a system but not as stringent, although they did kick out the Scientologists, I believe.

Putin however is much more strategic. Him and Bin Laden made a secret peace deal, I believe, or at least Al Zwahiri is known to be a Soviet agent while Bin Laden who was funded by the Saudis and ISI was competing with the moderates the CIA was supporting. Ultimately I think Bin Laden got angry at the Saudis friending America and turned to the Taleban to eject that influence.

Last but not least, Al Zwahiri seemed not to listen to Bin Laden when the latter was telling him to stop bombing other muslims in Iraq. So I think the RUssians betrayed Bin Laden through Al Zwahiri.

Islam and communism have one thing in common, and it is that communism is about enslaving people as material tools through the flag, while Islam provides the legalistic loopholes in the consciousness to abandon religious respect and rationalizing anything, including turning communist.

I would not be surprized if that mosque in Chechnya is somehow controled by the FSB. THe Orthodox Church is not a fluke either, and it certainly is to steer the Russian man from being emasculated the way he is in America. THe FSB is known to have sent Russian homosexual agitators in America only to have them report to RUssians how they would have sex with black men, to the disgust of Russians, thus driving a wedge between them and America.


72 posted on 09/15/2013 2:45:00 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Jim Robinson

That and horrible policies by our leaders...


73 posted on 09/15/2013 3:47:30 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Jim Robinson
He does not think the Arab Spring made the Middle East a better place.

Let's take a look at what the "Arab Spring" accomplished:

1) Tunisia: replaced a secular strongman with Islamists

2) Libya: overthrew and killed a secular strongman, who, despite his terrorist background, was working with CIA cells in Libya to root out Al Quaeda. The secular strongman's government was replaced by Al Quaeda sympathizers who murdered a US embassador and several US Marines.

3) Egypt: a secular, pro-Western strongman was replaced with Islamists who went on to murder and persecute Egyptian Coptic Christians. Fortunately, the secular strongman's allies in the Egyptian military wouldn't stand for it.

4) Syria: a secular strongman, who though a brutal dictator, protects the rights of Syria's Christian minority, is about to be overthrow and replaced by the Al-Quaeda linked Al Nusra front, who have already made it a point to massacre Christian villages.

Obviously, only a madman would think that the "Arab Spring" is anything other than wonderful.

74 posted on 09/15/2013 6:22:04 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: dfwgator
said, "Putin - Doing the job the Republicans refuse to do."

Fantastic post!

75 posted on 09/16/2013 12:50:54 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: KittenClaws
just to clarify who is the good cop in your scenario?

thank you

76 posted on 09/16/2013 12:54:38 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: duckln

RINO has become meaningless?

I think it gets to the core of the false front of the GOPe.


77 posted on 09/16/2013 2:42:47 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BenLurkin

Yep that’s Christianity by genetics instead of by faith in Christ. Doesn’t work that way. Simple question was asked indirectly and he nevertheless failed. Of course a more direct question would have been preferable: Did Jesus Christ rise from the dead the third day? Is he Lord?


78 posted on 09/16/2013 10:58:39 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Steve Van Doorn
They are both “bad cop” play acting for the low information types.

Good-cop, Bad-cop, is only an expression.

79 posted on 09/16/2013 11:59:59 AM PDT by KittenClaws ( You may have to fight a battle more than once in order to win it." - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: varmintman

got that straight
time to learn some converstional Russian -


80 posted on 09/16/2013 9:40:55 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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