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Diana West's website has much more information on her book, "American Betrayal", and the controversy it has caused as she defends herself.
1 posted on 09/14/2013 10:30:57 PM PDT by No One Special
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Got the link wrofng. It should be:

http://dianawest.net


2 posted on 09/14/2013 10:33:22 PM PDT by No One Special
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Bob Dylan-Like a Rolling Stone

3 posted on 09/14/2013 10:35:14 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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4 posted on 09/14/2013 10:42:20 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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Saint FDR and Saint Truman both need to be taken down about 50 pegs. Absolute scumbags, the both of them.


5 posted on 09/14/2013 10:42:30 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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The burden of their complaint is that she is a "conspiracy theorist" and right wing nut whose views are far outside the mainstream of historical writing, and that she should not have presumed to write such a book about these important matters.

Accusations like this never bother anyone on the Left, I wouldn't let it bother me. What do people say when you run into flack?

6 posted on 09/14/2013 10:57:45 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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All of this is true and has been excised from popular history.

If you don’t understand this, you don’t understand half of what happened in World War II.


7 posted on 09/14/2013 11:06:52 PM PDT by marron
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The book (get it here: http://www.amazon.com/American-Betrayal-Assault-Nations-Character/dp/0312630786/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379224894&sr=8-1&keywords=american+betrayal) is excellent, and the assault by Radosh, who has always taken the conventional (liberal) line about McCarthy and Roosevelt it not surprising. I'm a little more puzzled as to why David Horowitz weighed in since he is not an authority on these matters.

I have one minor criticism of the book: It needs an editor, particularly the opening chapter, which attempts to relate the current War against Islam (let's face it, that's where we are, like it or not) to the Cold War. While it might be true, it shouldn't be in there. The book can stand on its own as a purely revisionist narrative of the Cold War, which the author properly identifies as running not from the end of the Second World War, but from before the beginning of it.

For Radosh, Horowitz, and all of the other naysayers, here's another excellent book, which bolsters most of Diana West's positions and was written by no bomb thrower, but a former American President: Freedom Betrayed Herbert Hoovers Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath.

I was surprised by the existence of this book. Hoover started out his career and ended his presidency as a very liberal Republican; his predecessor, Coolidge, had nothing but disdain for Hoover's activism. As a matter of fact, a great many of the New Deal programs were actually economic reforms Hoover wanted to try, but he was sandbagged by a Democrat Congress in order to secure his electoral defeat.

But eventually Hoover became a conservative, and he wrote a fine book, well worth reading. [Just skip the Introduction, which is 100 pages of some academic's medal polishing over his editing that doesn't contribute anything to the work, unless you want to understand sources and methods. Most people won't.]

8 posted on 09/14/2013 11:17:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Or perhaps his Nobel Prize lecture for medicine.)
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The most serious contention in West's book, and fully supported in Herbert Hoover's Secret History of World War II, is not whether Harry Hopkins is any particular case reference in Venona; it's the degree to which Stalin got everything he wanted, and more.

The conventional historical narrative, that Roosevelt gave away so much at Yalta because of his failing health, is scandalously false. It is not supported by any of the facts on the ground, nor by any statements of contemporary witnesses. In source after source we discover that from almost the very day tens of thousands of Polish POW's were repatriated from Siberia to form a Polish allied army in exile, Roosevelt intended to give their country, as well as the Baltics, to Stalin.

This is in 1942. This is not at Tehran or Yalta. Roosevelt made various remarks in 1942, 1943, and 1944 -- despite the explicit wording of the Atlantic Charter which he and Churchill signed and to which the Russians assented on numerous occasions -- that Russia would receive EVERYTHING she had been granted in the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, and as a matter of fact, a great deal more, and that people in Eastern Europe would "simply have to accept that."

Nobody wants to address these claims, and have chosen instead to focus on narrow questions about whether Harry Hopkins was a spy or not, and whether the General in charge of Lend-Lease did indeed see proscribed nuclear materials being shipped to the Russians.

But the betrayal of Eastern and Central Europe, the deadly repatriation of millions of Ukrainians and White Russians to the Gulag by American and British Armies, and the pointless concessions made to Stalin in the Far East are topics no one wants to discuss. Why? Because the historical record is clear: Roosevelt wasn't swindled on these deals. He made these deals, he understood these deals, and he fully assented to them long before Yalta.

10 posted on 09/14/2013 11:41:14 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Or perhaps his Nobel Prize lecture for medicine.)
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By using the "occupied" image, Ms. West is of course not saying Soviet tanks were patrolling the streets of Washington, or that Red martial law was imposed on its cowering citizens. What she is arguing instead is that Soviet agents, Communists and fellow travelers held official posts, or served at chokepoints of intelligence data, and from these positions were able to exert pro-Soviet leverage on U.S. and other allied policy. Though ignored in many conventional histories, the evidence to support this view is overwhelming.

I am paraphrasing but I recall Whitaker Chambers stating in Witness that his Soviet handler once proudly boasted the Soviets had deeper penetration into Washington, DC, than they had had during Weimar. Ms West was using "occupied" correctly and in that sense.

Hopkins may or may not have been "Agent 19" but his entire career shows he supported Soviet objectives and, as FredZarguna notes in post #10, The most serious contention in West's book, and fully supported in Herbert Hoover's Secret History of World War II, is not whether Harry Hopkins is any particular case reference in Venona; it's the degree to which Stalin got everything he wanted, and more.

12 posted on 09/15/2013 12:05:31 AM PDT by Robwin
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This is awesome. I will get this book.
The light of truth scatters Democrats like cockroaches.


13 posted on 09/15/2013 12:10:36 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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16 posted on 09/15/2013 1:01:00 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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My dad fought in the Warsaw Uprising or 1944, he never forgave Roosevelt and Churchill for selling out Poland to the Soviets.


20 posted on 09/15/2013 3:39:01 AM PDT by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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As an aside, I have always found David Horowitz an angry, unpleasant individual - even when I have agreed with him.


22 posted on 09/15/2013 4:45:59 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Worth reading in its entirety.


25 posted on 09/15/2013 5:25:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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In the summer of 1944, White and his pro-Moscow Treasury colleagues played a crucial role in devising the so-called "Morgenthau plan" for Germany, which would have converted the country into a purely agrarian nation.

There is a considerable amount of contemporary primary source material (diaries, etc) that show how knowledge of the Morgenthau Plan had the effect of increasing the resolve of many German soldiers who were not particularly imbued with Nazi ideology. Such things didn't affect the DC elite and their ancillary intelligentsia, but they did impact the men at the point of the Allied spear.

Mr. niteowl77

26 posted on 09/15/2013 5:38:33 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("There's nothing a vulture hates more than biting into a glass eye.")
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At the Treasury, there were at least a dozen Communists and Soviet agents, headed by Harry White, who exerted influence on a host of issues. In late 1943, to cite a prominent instance, White and his fellow Soviet agent Solomon Adler, Treasury attaché in China, launched a disinformation campaign to discredit our anti-Communist ally Chiang Kai-shek, deny him U.S. assistance, and turn U.S. policy in favor of the Communists under Mao Tse-tung.

This campaign, aided by Adler's State Department Chungking roommate John Stewart Service and other U.S. diplomats in China, succeeded, with results that we are still living with today. Meanwhile, an identical propaganda campaign was waged by U.S. and British pro-Red officials to discredit the anti-Communists of the Balkans, in order to deliver control of Yugoslavia to the Communist Tito. This, too, succeeded, resulting in the communization of the country and capture and murder by Tito of his anti-Communist rival, Gen. Draza Mihailovich.

Another piece falls into place, the US betrayal of the Serbs and the resultant false witness Clintonian war against them a second time.

27 posted on 09/15/2013 5:41:23 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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On reading the Book:

West was going to write about MUSLIM penetration of the US of the present.
All the Commie stuff, while immensely important as background, and defining the ‘attitude’ of the government towards penetration (denial); our real problem today is the residual Commie stuff AND the Muslim penetration well fundied and well on its way.


28 posted on 09/15/2013 6:39:51 AM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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I read Evans book on McCarthy and respect his opinion. However, I will wait for more info and comments by other conservatives before I form my own opinion. I do believe there were many Soviet agents operating in Washington at that time, and West may be right about their influence on the Roosevelt admin. But I want more info. I’m wondering if the truth, like many other things, is in the middle.


29 posted on 09/15/2013 7:20:57 AM PDT by driftless2
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West was DEAD RIGHT about one thing in an earlier book...’grown-ups are pretty much extinct in the United States’. I have remarked to my wife before that the adults in Red England conduct themselves like 5-year olds...nearly impossible to even speak with them. This is what happens when you remove the moral compass set by G-d Almighty from the classroom...we have been on a steady decline since 1962, and nothing is going to reverse it.


31 posted on 09/15/2013 7:57:48 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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we are again seeing DC occupied by commies


42 posted on 09/15/2013 7:13:45 PM PDT by GeronL
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