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'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States'
Forbes ^ | August 25, 2013 | Mark Adomanis

Posted on 09/15/2013 9:41:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

This was not the headline that the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics gave its recent release of provisional fertility data for 2012. But for the first time, in 2012 Russia’s birth rate actually exceeded that of the United States. This is a significant reversal from the past when the US had a birth rate that was as much as 75% higher than Russia’s. The speed and scale of the convergence is impressive. Since 2008, the Russian birth rate has increased by about 10% while the United States has slumped by about 9%.

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Essentially, Russian wages have never been higher and unemployment has never been lower. Meanwhile, in the United States, wages are stagnant and unemployment is way above its long-term trend. Economic malaise has had a predictably depressive effect on fertility.

What is not particularly relevant for the discussion are the personalities of Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin... most of the change is due to structural demographic and economic factors that are incredibly difficult to change.

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But I nonetheless want to highlight the enormous change in relative performance between Russia and the United States because 1) it’s something that’s not well recognized and 2) strongly suggests that Russia is not some bizarre and indecipherable ”dying nation” but is actually dealing with a number of demographic problems that every other advanced country is also dealing with.

A lot of people pointed at Russia’s naturally shrinking population and basically said “what a wretched and awful place: they can’t even maintain their own numbers!” The fact that the white population is now naturally shrinking in the US should hopefully make people just a little less willing to stereotype the Russians and a little more willing to honestly discuss issues of demography by engaging with hard data.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: birthrate; childless; demography; eurabia; moslembirthrate; muzzietakeover; putin; russia
There's 6x as much interesting stuff in the comment box of this Forbes article. Add your own thought-provoking comments. The article emphasizes that government programs historically have had little impact on childbearing, but I personally think defunding Planned Parenthood and related Amerian-child-disposal sites could work wonders.
1 posted on 09/15/2013 9:41:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“but I personally think defunding Planned Parenthood and related American-child-disposal sites could work wonders. “

Yes, there would be some small effect, but people’s behavior adjusts to changing circumstances. For example, photo enforcement for red light runners was supposed to net huge gains. Everywhere they installed these cameras the take was significantly smaller than expected. People adjusted. Here’s the disgusting part. Make abortions unavailable and women will instantly adjust by not getting pregnant. The sexual revolution will be over. They’ll start acting more conservative; not because they want to, but because they have to. I wish we could run the experiment and see.


2 posted on 09/15/2013 9:48:05 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As I understand it, the only reason that the population of the USA continues to increase is illegal immigration. Absent that, there would be a slow decrease.


3 posted on 09/15/2013 9:48:13 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The author’s analysis is flawed. TFR is considered vastly superior to crude birth rate by sophisticated demographers.

USA still>USSR


4 posted on 09/15/2013 9:51:36 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Vlad is doing some things right...


5 posted on 09/15/2013 9:56:46 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Kip Russell; Mrs. Don-o
Ya and guess what? The illegals and your government make the tax payers foot the big dollar medical bills.

Legitimate young Americans are not having have kids because kids costs a fortune just to deliver....Then house feed, cloth, insure etc...Most these young people in the U.S. today are making 1990s wages with no heath insurance...

The next 10 years are going to be brutal for housing, heath care, pharmaceuticals, boating, insurance...All the big ticket stuff... etc....Simply due to the fact the up coming generations don't and wont' have the flipping money for any of this....

These big industries in the U.S. are going to nose dive in a very big way.

No joke.

6 posted on 09/15/2013 9:57:30 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: GraceG

Yes. The muslim birth rate is soaring in Russia.


7 posted on 09/15/2013 9:57:50 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: impimp

TFR is theoretical - actual birth rates are real data. You can estimate a higher TFR than the actual birth rate by assuming a rebound later. The number of babies BORN is harder to manipulate statistically.


8 posted on 09/15/2013 10:00:12 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Parmenio
Yes. The muslim birth rate is soaring in Russia.


9 posted on 09/15/2013 10:02:23 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Having practically a generation of men wiped out in World War II, then a demographic implosion in the 1980s-90s, Russia is very aware of demographics and what a healthy birthrate means to the country. They can’t depend on immigration as much as we can. Their stand on gay rights has everything to do with this view as well.


10 posted on 09/15/2013 10:06:57 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Parmenio

one of the comments>>>>

Yes, Russia is equipped now better to support younger population at the expense of dying out “pensioners”. Natural resources..
Their population still declining (and it would be better Mark if you provided comparison between births per woman graph), but less so and when the generation of 50-60 olds will die out they will have better statistics providing that Russian rulers will be still good Caesars.

USA: Total fertility rate is 2.06 children born/woman (2013 est.)
for whites probably 1.5?

Russia: 1.61 children born/woman (2013 est.) For white Russians probably 1.4? For muslims probably 2.3-2.5


11 posted on 09/15/2013 10:09:08 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dennisw

Murad Nabiev 1 month ago

I agree, you forgot to mention who is multiplying so fast in Russia. It’s not Russians, it’s mostly muslim ethnic minorities of Northern Caucasus + immigrants from Southern former soviet republics. As for Russians, they are rapidly decreasing in numbers. You can check statistics for Russian regions and for ethnic minorities regions so you could see what I’m talking about. Plus you are right about short jump up of birth rate due to last numerous generation of 80s is giving birth these days. In few years situation will change dramatically to steady decrease of birthrate and the only surplus will exist from non Russian ethnic groups. What I want to tell that there’s nothing about politics here. It’s not Russian “democracy” or whatever “authoritarian” laws that cause it. It’s muslim population that is multiplying equally fast in any part of the world.
As for US, demographics is the least problem of the country, I don’t even think it’s an issue at all.


12 posted on 09/15/2013 10:12:46 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: dragnet2
Legitimate young Americans are not having have kids because kids costs a fortune just to deliver....Then house feed, cloth, insure etc...Most these young people in the U.S. today are making 1990s wages with no heath insurance...

My reasons for not having children aren't financial; if I had ever gotten married I suppose I might have felt differently, but I simply have no desire to have kids.

More power to those that do...if my tax dollars aren't subsidizing them!

13 posted on 09/15/2013 10:14:52 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States"

It may have something to do with this:


14 posted on 09/15/2013 10:15:13 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: impimp
It's true what you say, impimp, that TFR is far more predictive than crude birth rate. Still, it signifies something when a country long in demographic freefall, like the former-USSR, pulls its birthrate up notch by notch, while ours slips to the point where we're averaging less than the Russians.

You often hear people say they would like to have more children, but they cannot afford it. But people in poorer countries seem to afford large families, even though their real incomes are way lower than ours. Heck, your grandparents (or, for you youngsters, great-grandparents) had 5-7 kids in a family when their incomes, even accounting for inflation, were way lower than ours.

Social security is a big factor. There's a substantial fit, worldwide, between strong SS system = low birthrate, weak SS system = high birthrate. If you foresee that you won't need kids to keep you living decently in your old age, there's little economic incentive to have them. Of course, in the aggregate, we still desperately need those kids anyhow, to pay into this tottery Ponzi-scheme we call a SS system, but nobody thinks much about "the aggregate."

There is a correlation between religiosity and childbearing, too, but --- I am surprised to say this --- not as much as I thought.

15 posted on 09/15/2013 10:20:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I’d love to see Putin’s GDP growth rate compared to the US under Obama. Adjusted for true inflation, of course...


16 posted on 09/15/2013 10:20:34 AM PDT by meyer (What would John Hancock do?)
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To: Kip Russell

Wasn’t talking about you, but upcoming young Americans in general..Those now in the teens and twenties.

The big majority don’t and won’t have the money for housing, insurance, boats, new cars, homes, vacations, heathcare, etc., etc.

Big time hits to big industries are clearly on the horizon.


17 posted on 09/15/2013 10:25:28 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gen.Blather

Availability of money in the hands of families would go a long way.


18 posted on 09/15/2013 10:30:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: dragnet2
Wasn’t talking about you, but upcoming young Americans in general..Those now in the teens and twenties.

The big majority don’t and won’t have the money for housing, insurance, boats, new cars, homes, vacations, heathcare, etc., etc.

I was making the point that such decisions aren't always financial in nature. Even by my twenties, I had the money for housing, insurance, new cars, vacations, healthcare, etc.

I didn't choose not to have children because I couldn't afford them. I just didn't want them. I suspect this is the case for many young people today as well.

That having been said, I'm sure that many young people who choose not to have kids do so for financial reasons, just as you've pointed out.

19 posted on 09/15/2013 10:37:36 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: dragnet2

I seriously disagree with your assessment. Out here in BFE, PA it seems like every female starts breeding at 15. You can tell who they are because they are the same ones with tattoos on their right tit which is, of course, displayed via a low cut top.

Undoubtedly they have birthed 3 offspring from 5 different sires, and are standing in line ahead of you, paying for groceries with a SNAP card, while yacking on her cellphone about her upcoming court appointment to up child support from the latest sperm donator.

While I agree birthrates amongst the 20 to 30 year-old educated middle class demographic is depressed for the reasons of financial and life status insecurities you listed, the entitlement class of welfare receiving, Democrat voter perpetuating breeder sows is still quite fruitful.


20 posted on 09/15/2013 10:43:39 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: cripplecreek

“Availability of money in the hands of families would go a long way.”

That is a problem. The birthrate goes up in good times and down in bad. I think the liberals know that and have enacted policies to ensure permanent bad times. But abortion will be free. Wouldn’t want to “punish” people with children.


21 posted on 09/15/2013 10:49:35 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Everything you have said is true. Social Security is responsible for a great deal of evil.


22 posted on 09/15/2013 11:03:11 AM PDT by impimp
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To: dragnet2

And don’t underestimate the effect that the Draconian (for males, that is) family/probate courts and laws factor in the decline in the American-American birthrate.

That’s led many males (me included) to say; “No way in Hell am I wading into that den of a thousand deaths.”.


23 posted on 09/15/2013 11:05:54 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Time to musk up.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Dear Mrs. Don-o,

Comparing what folks did 50 or 80 or 100 years ago to what folks do today is pretty much a waste of time.

Folks regularly had 5 - 7 kids back in the ‘50s and ‘60s? Let's take a look at a few example of the differences between then and now.

I was the third of four children, my wife the last of five. Our families were working/middle class. We owned modest cars. No vans or mini-vans. At best, a station wagon with five standard seats. So, how did our families fit 6 or 7 people in our cars? We just sat closer together! Oh, but wait. Couldn't do that in a modern sedan or a smallish station wagon. Not enough seat belts. And failure to have everyone belted in is a violation of law, drawing fines, and I guess even worse on multiple incidents. When she was a child, my wife rode in the “way back” of the family station wagon, often hanging out the rear window. Today, that’d likely bring arrest.

We all went to Catholic school. How did we manage? Easy. Our families put an envelope in the basket every week, went to Mass every week, and volunteered around the parish. Our pastors made sure our parents would be able to afford Catholic school for all of us. Even if it meant half price for kid #2 and free for the remainder.

Doesn't exist anymore.

A few years back, I sat on a local scholarship committee for Catholic schools. I read through folks’ financial statements and tax returns. Other than very, very well off families, no one could afford to send 5 - 7 kids through Catholic school. When elementary school runs $6K and high school (at the low end) $15K, five kids in school might mean $50K per year in tuition. Without uniforms, books (typically $1K per year in an academic high school), no less band or sports. Median household income in the United States is roughly $60K per year. Large, median Catholic families can't send their kids to Catholic schools.

Remember that according to Church teaching, use of Catholic schools by Catholic families is SUPPOSED to be normative. The only problem is that real, live, actual, large Catholic families are now shut out of Catholic schools. Unless they're rich.

When my wife was a child, it was seven folks in a three bedroom, one bathroom house. Such a family might draw the interest of “child welfare” authorities. You wouldn't even be able to rent an apartment, nowadays, for seven folks. Heck, even in 1966, when we first moved to Maryland and at first lived in an apartment, my parents had to search high and low for an apartment complex that would permit six people in three bedrooms.

Whether by actual legal requirement, or by true lack of affordability, or by strong social custom, it really is true that at least for Catholics, median-income folks, large families really are no longer affordable.

Some still manage to do it, but it is often by way of special circumstances, often because now such families are the exception, not the rule, and always by way of heroic virtue.

It's anachronistic to make the comparisons.


sitetest

24 posted on 09/15/2013 11:12:22 AM PDT by sitetest ( If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Mrs. Don-o. The Russian population of Russia is what is in decline; the rise in non-Russian and in particular muzzies in Russia is what the problem is, and it’s not a new problem.


25 posted on 09/15/2013 12:28:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Russian Youth Group Encourages "More Sex" to Save Motherland from Dwindling Population
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | July 30, 2007 | John Jalsevac

Posted on Tue Jul 31 04:48:24 2007 by monomaniac

Russian Youth Group Encourages "More Sex" to Save Motherland from Dwindling Population

By John Jalsevac

MOSCOW, Russia, July 30, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A Russian nationalist youth group is encouraging youth to have more sex in an effort to combat the nation's devastating demographic crisis, reports the Daily Mail.

In a lengthy special report the Daily Mail documents the activities of the Nashi youth movement, which is sponsoring a summer camp attended by some 10,000 Russian youth this summer. Not only are Nashi organizers encouraging the youth to have more sex, but they have designated a special area at the dormitories, the Love Oasis, for young men and women to engage in sexual intercourse. According to the Mail, condoms are unavailable in the camp.

"They [The pre-historic mammoths] became extinct because they did not have enough sex. That must not happen to Russia," said a Nashi organizer to a group of assembled campers.

The nationalistic camp involves two weeks of lectures, reported by some Western sources as being little more than anti-Western "propaganda," as well as a strenuous regimen of physical exercise. Numerous young couples have also been married at the camp, with 25 couples being married at the beginning of the first week, and ten to be married at the beginning of the second.

While many people, especially in the West, are finding in the Kremlin-initiated, and Kremlin-loyal Nashi youth group a disturbing image of similar groups started up in Nazi-era Germany, the camp's approach to sex is further evidence that the Russian government is not unaware that a demographic crisis is leading the entire Russian nation towards an early grave.


Russia's President Wants to Turn Around Population Decline

James Brooke | Moscow30 November 2010

Russia's president devoted the largest part of his annual State of Russia speech to reversing Russia's population decline.

If Russian couples have a third child, they will get a baby bonus, better health care, and free land to build a house or dacha, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev promised in his annual State of Russia speech.

Political analysts were hoping to hear about missiles or democracy. Instead they got babies.

[...]

What he did not say is that Russia compensates for its aging workforce by importing about 10 million laborers a year from Central Asia. After the United States, Russia is now the second-largest importer of workers. This influx of overwhelmingly Muslim workers creates tensions in Russia, where the population is largely Orthodox Christian.

26 posted on 09/15/2013 1:03:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Illegal Immigration, Human Trafficking, and Organized Crime
University of Helsinki, Finland and University of Notre Dame, Indiana, USA ^ | Raimo Väyrynen
"A higher estimate is reached if one believes that 50,000 Russian women are lured every year to the sex business abroad."


27 posted on 09/15/2013 1:12:05 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

ugh


28 posted on 09/15/2013 1:16:12 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Benito would be proud of Putin.

Sex for the motherland: Russian youths encouraged to procreate at camp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-471324/Sex-motherland-Russian-youths-encouraged-procreate-camp.html


Russian Patriotism Unleashed by Georgian War
SPIEGEL ONLINE ^ | 10/15/2008 | Fred Weir

Posted on Thu Oct 16 18:47:42 2008 by neverdem

LETTER FROM MOSCOW

The war in Georgia has provoked unprecedented levels of patriosm in Russia. The majority of the population supported their army's actions in the Caucasus. And even the fiercest critics of the Kremlin have now become proud Russians.

Members of the Kremlin-loyal youth organisation "Nashi" wave flags and hold a banner during a protest in front of the US embassy in Moscow during the Georgia war.

Hit, kicked and bruised: beatings at Russian women’s prison caught on video
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2801291/posts


29 posted on 09/15/2013 1:44:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: GeronL
There's more beyond the military sex camps for increasing the Russian population. The Russian Orthodox Church was the approved Church of the Soviet Union, BTW.

Putin Channels Lenin: A Translation of the Nashi "Manifesto"
http://publiuspundit.com/articles/2007/06/putin_channels_lenin_a_transla.php

Pro-Kremlin Youth Vow To Defend 'Holy Russia'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1808718/posts

A New "Army" of Young People for The Russian Orthodox Church
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2563282/posts

Evidence portrays Russia as failed state (WOMEN WANT OUT)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638944/posts


30 posted on 09/15/2013 2:35:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
Ruthless Russia
American Thinker ^ | June 16, 2007 | Peter B. Martin
Excerpt:
Putin has created a very sophisticated youth movement made up of over 100,000 volunteers called "Nashi", much like a clone of the Nazi youth movement. It is a well-equipped, fanatical, nationalistic private army that is hostile to foreigners and to any political group opposing the Kremlin leadership. Their aggressive behavior is not only tolerated by the authorities but also even encouraged. They help re-enforce local police; wearing black attire, they aggressively beat anyone they consider hooligans or insurrectionist.

They have been taught to believe that the United States is actively preparing a pro-western revolution in their country and that they will thwart it. They have developed high-level recruiting and training camps right across the expanse of Russia. Not only are they schooled in a variety of military issues, they also have orientation courses in such esoteric subjects as gestalt therapy, to help them to survive under extreme conditions.



31 posted on 09/15/2013 2:50:59 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I guess different people can look at the same chart and draw different conclusions.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, birth rate fell sharply. And since, aided by rising oil prices, the Russian birthrate is almost back up to where it was in 1990.

The US birthrate was stable from 1996 until the economic collapse in 2008. As the economy has recovered the US birth rate leveled up.

32 posted on 09/15/2013 3:14:30 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: sitetest
Everything you're saying is true, sitetest. The families in our parish that have a normal, reproductive birth rate (3-4 kids or more) are ALL homeschoolers.

How do they live without two incomes? Actually, they live cheaper, and they've found homeschooling cheaper even than public school, because they don't have to worry about the kids competing with or comparing themselves to other kids in clothes, toys, and other possessions. And transportation? When you don't have to shlep everybody back and forth to and from school and afterschool activities every day and half the night, it's just incredibly simpler.

One of the moms does do a certain amount of real estate sales from home. Another, web design. So creative. I admire them so much.

33 posted on 09/15/2013 5:31:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

According to this Russia’s abortion rate has declined steeply form the unreal numbers in the early 90’s, which supports your idea. It could be that they are just using better birth control now, I suppose. Does anyone know if there is an official Russian Orthodox position on birth control within marriage? I have heard different things from posters on here before.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2013/02/09/are-there-really-13-abortions-for-every-10-live-births-in-russia/

“So, in 2012 there were about 42 abortions per 100 live births, not 130. The last time the number of abortions exceeded the number of births by 30% or more was in 2002. Additionally, rather than representing “the most grisly statistic the world has ever seen,” an abortion rate 30% larger than the birth rate was actually a huge improvement from rates that prevailed in the early 1990s”

According to this, there was a peak of something like 280 abortions per 100 live births in the early 90’s.

Freegards


34 posted on 09/15/2013 5:42:58 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: familyop
"Nashi" Sex camps? Oh, Lordy. I'm pretty sure Pariarch Kirill wouldn't be liking that.

It's OK if they want to encourage Russians to marry young, which is the only realistic way to get a goodly number of children, but the pro-fornication slant will kill family-formation, which (even sociologically) is the only stable way to grow a healthy society.

Sin does not --- no, not even in the practical demographic sense --- build up a nation.

35 posted on 09/15/2013 5:44:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Ransomed

They are at least birthing Russians.
We are birthing people associated often with other countries who are mostly all welfare dependent.


36 posted on 09/15/2013 5:51:20 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: familyop
I'm sorry, by second paragraph, a run-on sentence, is not very intelligible. I meant to say that family formation is the only stable way to grow a healthy society.

Fornicating teens produce "fatherless" children, and there's nothing more destructive to a family, a neighborhood, a school, a city or a nation than a large cadre of fatherless male youth.

37 posted on 09/15/2013 5:53:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: impimp

What is TFR?


38 posted on 09/15/2013 5:57:29 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Total Fertility Rate=TFR.

It is the number of children that every woman is expected to have. 2.1 replaces a population. Less than 2.1 and population declines.


39 posted on 09/15/2013 6:29:23 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Agreed on family, and thank you for replying. Hopefully, the information will be helpful. I posted quite a few articles about Iran and related nations a few years ago.


40 posted on 09/15/2013 7:13:25 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Ransomed
Our adopted Kamchatka son was conceived in 1991, born in 1992, at the very height of the Russian abortion massacre years. We are very fortunate that his mother gave him birth, and did not leave him in a bucket in a clinic in Elisovo.

Thank you, Larisa Ivanovna Kavilkavov, and God bless you.

Thank you, Lord Jesus.

41 posted on 09/15/2013 7:49:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Vince Ferrer

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/skip-work-have-sex-russians-celebrate-day-of-conception-as-sporting-community-continues-to-criticise-putins-antigay-legislation-8812840.html


42 posted on 09/15/2013 7:51:54 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The influx of illegal Mexican immigrants is hiding our population decline.

Our country is becoming less religious and more socialistic. The Russian situation is the reverse.

43 posted on 09/15/2013 7:58:27 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: dragnet2
These big industries in the U.S. are going to nose dive in a very big way. No joke.

Putting aside the national debt, it will take a minimum of five years before we emerge from this recession. There is no reason to think that Democrats or Republicans will make any meaningful cuts to government before a Reaganesque president is (hopefully) elected.

On top of that is the debt problem, which is a disaster waiting to happen.

44 posted on 09/15/2013 8:02:44 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That’s awesome, truly a great thing.

Freegards, God bless


45 posted on 09/15/2013 9:49:19 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Putin, who single-handily saved Russia from the abyss of Communism.

46 posted on 09/16/2013 7:41:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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