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Syria’s Assad May Be Losing Control Over His Deadly Militias
Time via Yahoo! ^ | Wed, Sep 11, 2013 | Aryn Baker / Beirut

Posted on 09/15/2013 5:35:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Most of the proregime militias around the country are regionally based and funded by local businessmen or religious leaders eager to curry favor with the government and shore up their own protection networks... shabiha has its origins in the loose-knit smuggling and organized crime networks of Latakia province, the coastal enclave where Assad's Alawite sect dominates. These days, shabiha are just as likely to be Sunni, Kurdish or even Eastern Orthodox Christian as Alawite, says Lund. Some gangs have been organized into Popular Committees, a kind of armed neighborhood watch with independent leadership and few centralized directives other than to defend the regime in whatever way they deem necessary. In many cases this means setting up roadblocks, taking bribes, charging protection money, looting the homes and businesses of suspected rebels and otherwise raising funds to cover their costs by dint of their weapons. "When these gangs can't get financing from the government they start extorting the local communities," says Lund. That enables them to keep fighting, but it also means they are less beholden to Assad. "The government has more important things to do than put a stop to it." ...Bashar Assad's success in keeping them reined in when he inherited the presidency from his father is now being undone, says the businessman who spoke to TIME on condition of anonymity. "[Assad] is telling his friends, 'I managed to contain these groups for over 10 years. Now that they are unleashed, I can't stop them."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: israel; perfectalibi; russia; shabbiha; syria; waronterror

1 posted on 09/15/2013 5:35:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

It’s called an alibi.


2 posted on 09/15/2013 5:36:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It does not matter. Iran will not allow a Salafist govt in Damascus.


3 posted on 09/15/2013 5:37:31 PM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Perdogg

Iran is jihadist, so that’s a distinction without a difference.


4 posted on 09/15/2013 5:39:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: SunkenCiv
If I had to put money on it I'd bet that the rebels were responsible or the recent gas usage.

Nonetheless, if there were a danger of the slammite brohood taking over MY town and the only weapon I had to stop them with was sarin gas, guess what......

5 posted on 09/15/2013 5:40:32 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: SunkenCiv

He had the army. The only “militias” were Christians and minority Muslims (alawites like Assad and some Shiites) defending their neighborhoods.


6 posted on 09/15/2013 5:41:55 PM PDT by livius
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To: SunkenCiv

All of these Middle Eastern countries are disparate groups clumped together by random lines drawn by dead English guys. The only way a ruler can hold power is by either crushing ethnic groups or bribing them. Or both. Since none of these countries have a national identity as soon as the iron grip is loosened they go back to their tribal identities. We’re seeing this played out in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya.


7 posted on 09/15/2013 5:44:11 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check highlights every single word.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Iran is jihadist, so that’s a distinction without a difference.

Iran's jihadism has killed around 300 Americans. Sunnis have killed about 10000. While Iran's nuke program should certainly be destroyed, I can't get too worked up about the Iranian regime's perpetual stream of rants, which don't differ materially from the stuff coming from Sunnis, with one key difference - Sunnis act upon their rhetoric far more frequently than Shiites do.

8 posted on 09/15/2013 5:46:27 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei; SunkenCiv

>> “Sunnis act upon their rhetoric far more frequently than Shiites do.” <<

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For sure! - And more drastically too.


9 posted on 09/15/2013 5:49:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Pan_Yan
All of these Middle Eastern countries are disparate groups clumped together by random lines drawn by dead English guys.

I think it's a mistake to over-emphasize this as the reason for conflict. A big problem was that the majority ethnic or religious groups tended not to take kindly to the creation of nation states for minorities they had traditionally invaded and slaughtered at will prior to colonial rule. Indonesia, for instance, annexed lands the predecessor Javanese empire never had control of, including West Papua and East Timor. To set up a state for Alawites would have meant immediate war after independence. The whole point of letting overseas territories have their independence was to end the steady stream of casualties and the minimal benefits from European-style colonialism, which re-invested government revenues from the colonial territories in colonial infrastructure instead of building Taj Mahal-type white elephants in the metropole like the Mughals.

10 posted on 09/15/2013 5:58:50 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Your point is well taken. My purpose was not to blame dead English guys but to emphasize the lack of national identity in most residents of the Middle East.


11 posted on 09/15/2013 6:01:45 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check highlights every single word.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Oh, 300, so it’s okay then.

Al Qaeda in Syria gets funded by various rich sheikhs in the Gulf, meanwhile Al Qaeda in the Sahara gets funded by Iran. The Sunni-Shiite dichotomy is a false one.


12 posted on 09/15/2013 6:02:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Pan_Yan
My purpose was not to blame dead English guys but to emphasize the lack of national identity in most residents of the Middle East.

It's like trying to set up a single nation containing Jews and Germans after a thousand years of Holocausts.

13 posted on 09/15/2013 6:04:53 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Oh, 300, so it’s okay then. Al Qaeda in Syria gets funded by various rich sheikhs in the Gulf, meanwhile Al Qaeda in the Sahara gets funded by Iran. The Sunni-Shiite dichotomy is a false one.

Two evils are fighting each other. I'm inclined to side with the lesser of two evils. The number of dead Americans inflicted by each denomination is the way I keep score. Another interesting factoid is that sudden jihad syndrome stateside is exclusively a Sunni phenom. The Shiite on the street really isn't all that hostile to Americans. Sunnis, on the other hand...

At the governmental level, we always side with the Sunnis. Because the Gulf Arabs offer politicians a lot of post-retirement perks, involving sinecures, stipends and all kinds of cash kickbacks. The media probably gets a lot of loving from the Gulf Arabs to secure favorable coverage. Academia is clearly chockful of Sunni Arab-funded endowments for Islamic/Middle Eastern Studies chairs (as well as for other subjects).

14 posted on 09/15/2013 6:16:00 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Pan_Yan

But with the Germans thinking that they hadn’t taught the Jews a thorough enough lesson.


15 posted on 09/15/2013 6:18:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SunkenCiv

More government-sponsored propaganda?

This is getting more and more like the good ‘ole USSR.


16 posted on 09/15/2013 6:41:24 PM PDT by Ancient Wonderboy
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To: SunkenCiv

And - Obama has lost control of his mouth as well as his train of thought.


17 posted on 09/15/2013 7:05:54 PM PDT by Just Bill
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To: Zhang Fei

Working with a group of Muslims I ask what mosque they attend, They said there NONE! Chicagoland has one or more in every town! They said Detroit has some and if they went to the wrong one they would be spotted beaten! Some of the rituals are different and easy to detect.

All the mosque around Chicago are Sunni, and there are many,many.


18 posted on 09/15/2013 7:28:32 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: SunkenCiv

Meanwhile the rebels fight each other.


19 posted on 09/15/2013 8:33:50 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: livius

There is Hezbollah but they do not answer to Assad


20 posted on 09/15/2013 8:34:52 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Pan_Yan

....”Since none of these countries have a national identity as soon as the iron grip is loosened they go back to their tribal identities. We’re seeing this played out in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya”....

True enough Pan!......they are connected thru Islam only...they see Nation ‘Borders’ as ‘obstacles’ preventing their agenda of a Caliphat and eventual World Rule. Which is why the Brotherhood is all for One World Governance....and why the Globalists keep trying to get them into governance.


21 posted on 09/15/2013 9:33:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: Zhang Fei

...”It’s like trying to set up a single nation containing Jews and Germans after a thousand years of Holocausts”...

Excellent anology Zhang....the battle will rage on which side gets to own Islam.


22 posted on 09/15/2013 9:37:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: Zhang Fei
Indonesia, for instance, annexed lands the predecessor Javanese empire never had control of, including West Papua and East Timor.

I assume you mean the Dutch East Indies as the predecessor empire.

The Dutch retained control of Western New Guinea for more than 10 years after the lost the rest of their empire.

East Timor was a Portugese possession throughout the colonial period, conquered by Indonesia in 1975 and granted freedom in 1999.

23 posted on 09/15/2013 11:51:03 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: Sherman Logan

No, I meant the Majapahit empire, which is why I referred to it as “Javanese”. I was emphasizing the closest thing to a native empire in what is now Indonesia before the VOC came along. The interesting thing about Indonesia’s (aka its Javanese overlords’) expansive claims is that, depending on the era, it has extended all the way to Thailand and the Philippines and has even included Oceania, in the rhetoric of various modern leaders.


24 posted on 09/16/2013 5:29:02 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Thank you. Of course that was way back in 1300/1400 or thereabouts.

Also, the area “controlled,” if that is even an appropriate term, by Majapahit is sometimes claimed to have included Timor and parts of New Guinea.


25 posted on 09/16/2013 5:37:34 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Mark Steyn: "In the Middle East, the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy.")
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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26 posted on 09/16/2013 7:10:58 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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To: SunkenCiv

Criminals or jihadists? I’ll take criminals anytime.


27 posted on 09/16/2013 7:22:19 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: SunkenCiv

As long as they’re running up a body count of Al Qaeda and Moslem Brotherhood scumbags, their supporters and their camp followers, who cares?


28 posted on 09/16/2013 7:25:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Just Bill

-—that was never a “train of thot “ -—more of a snotstream.


29 posted on 09/16/2013 10:12:36 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: caww
Excellent anology Zhang....the battle will rage on which side gets to own Islam.

As Muslims go, Shiites are pretty ecumenical. Iran takes a hard line on apostasy, and missionary activity to convert Muslims to any other religion, but that's about the extent of really hard-line Shiite religious fervor. But it's not really clear that this is what the Shiite masses want. I really don't hear too much about Shiites going after other religions in either Lebanon or Iraq. Whereas the stories of Sunnis going after Shiites, and non-Muslims - on their own initiative, as well as with the tacit support of the state - are too many to count. While we should take out the Iranian nuke program, the real ticking time bomb is the seething Sunni masses.

30 posted on 09/16/2013 12:54:09 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei; Pan_Yan

Wonder where the world would be now if those dead english guys had divided the Ottoman Empire Kurds with Kurds, Armenian with Armenian, Aramaic with Aramaic, Shiite with Shiite, yaddah yaddah. Hhhmmmm......


31 posted on 09/16/2013 5:28:04 PM PDT by SisterK (the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly Romans 16:20)
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To: SisterK; Zhang Fei
Wonder where the world would be now if those dead english guys had divided the Ottoman Empire Kurds with Kurds, Armenian with Armenian, Aramaic with Aramaic, Shiite with Shiite, yaddah yaddah.

Oh, they'd still be choppin' each other up but it would be across borders instead of civil wars. Now if that had happened the carpet bagging royals put in place by the English (Saudi Arabia, Trans-Jordan) would have probably been ethnically cleansed long ago in countries where they couldn't play one group against the other as easily as they have in their current artificial states.

Speaking of which did you ever notice the huge inferiority complex of Arab rulers? They all want to marry Western women and act like European nobles from the 19th century.

32 posted on 09/16/2013 6:12:18 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check highlights every single word.)
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To: SisterK
Wonder where the world would be now if those dead english guys had divided the Ottoman Empire Kurds with Kurds, Armenian with Armenian, Aramaic with Aramaic, Shiite with Shiite, yaddah yaddah. Hhhmmmm......

Not as easy as it sounds. Every community goes for maximalist borders. Inter-communal struggles break out as majority communities attempt to persuade minorities now felt to be fifth columnists to leave via beatings and pogroms. The British partition of its South Asian holdings into India and Pakistan resulted in 1m dead. Muslims attempted to regain the sway they had held and felt entitled to under the (Muslim) Mughal dynasty that had preceded British rule. Hindus wanted the freedoms that preceded Mughal rule. So they thrashed it out in the streets, and millions of refugees ran the gauntlet all the way to the (newly-defined) border and beyond, of lands they had never seen before.

33 posted on 09/16/2013 6:40:37 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Can the pattern of Obama administration not be seen. They’re doing the same thing here as they did in Egypt. Topple the guy there and replace them with far worse - which is the mass murdering jihadists promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Brotherhood is the dearest of all groups to Obama - he’s filled his administration with Muslim Brotherhood advisors. He even put a Muslim Brotherhood operative at Hillary Clinton’s ear. Clinton and Obama follow Muslim Brotherhood version of reality. Hillary’s even put her back on her staff this week for her “transition” office. Heaven forbid Hillary transition to anything that has to do with the American people.


34 posted on 09/16/2013 7:00:28 PM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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