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Russian Shot in quarrel over Kant's philosophy
WRAL.com ^ | September 16, 2013

Posted on 09/16/2013 9:11:20 AM PDT by ConservativeDude

MOSCOW — An argument in southern Russia over philosopher Immanuel Kant, the author of "Critique of Pure Reason," devolved into pure mayhem when one debater shot the other. A police spokeswoman in Rostov-on Don, Viktoria Safarova, said two men in their 20s were discussing Kant as they stood in line to buy beer at a small store on Sunday. The discussion deteriorated into a fistfight and one participant pulled out a small nonlethal pistol and fired repeatedly. The victim was hospitalized with injuries that were not life-threatening. Neither person was identified. It was not clear which of Kant's ideas may have triggered the violence.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Russia
KEYWORDS: kantrussia
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I think this sort of speaks for itself. Rather than commenting, I prefer to hear the comments of freepers.....
1 posted on 09/16/2013 9:11:20 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude
Another fist-fight started over philosophy. When will the madness end?

/johnny

2 posted on 09/16/2013 9:13:00 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ConservativeDude

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.
David Hume could out-consume
Schopenhauer and Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There’s nothing Nietzsche couldn’t teach ya’
‘Bout the raising of the wrist.
SOCRATES, HIMSELF, WAS PERMANENTLY PISSED...

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.
Plato, they say, could stick it away;
Half a crate of whiskey every day.
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram,
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart: “I drink, therefore I am”
Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he’s pissed!


3 posted on 09/16/2013 9:13:19 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ConservativeDude
Did my college paper on Kant. Teacher gave me an A-...cuz it's what he did for his Masters....and he was now the Master...in other words...No "A" for you.

Keep the faith!!

4 posted on 09/16/2013 9:13:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ConservativeDude
From wikipedia

The categorical imperative (German: Kategorischer Imperativ) is the central philosophical concept in the deontological moral philosophy of Immanuel Kant. Introduced in Kant's 1785 Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals, it may be defined as a way of evaluating motivations for action.

According to Kant, human beings occupy a special place in creation, and morality can be summed up in one ultimate commandment of reason, or imperative, from which all duties and obligations derive. He defined an imperative as any proposition declaring a certain action (or inaction) to be necessary.

I guess the shooter decided that it was necessary to shoot the other guy.

5 posted on 09/16/2013 9:14:34 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: dfwgator

Nice example of iambic tetrameter...


6 posted on 09/16/2013 9:14:47 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

Kant believe such unreasonable immorality.


7 posted on 09/16/2013 9:14:55 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ecomcon

I clear example of Russian exceptionalism.


8 posted on 09/16/2013 9:15:31 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: ConservativeDude

Does Alexey Pushkov know about this?


9 posted on 09/16/2013 9:15:35 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Sacajaweau

You should have pulled out a gun to see if he would raise the grade!


10 posted on 09/16/2013 9:16:18 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Heavyrunner

Great minds think alike!


11 posted on 09/16/2013 9:16:30 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: ConservativeDude

I hate it when that happens.


12 posted on 09/16/2013 9:16:39 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: ConservativeDude
"Yes, I will!"
"No, you Kant!"
13 posted on 09/16/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: dfwgator
I kant understand this.
14 posted on 09/16/2013 9:17:01 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Kant we all just get along?


15 posted on 09/16/2013 9:17:31 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: ConservativeDude

I just Kant Critique this with my Pure Reason.


16 posted on 09/16/2013 9:17:47 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: ConservativeDude
VODKA....
That says it all.
17 posted on 09/16/2013 9:18:44 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: bunkerhill7

There is more wisdom in your pun post than there is in that entire monstrosity by Kant.....


18 posted on 09/16/2013 9:18:49 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

Yeh. Many’s the animated discussion over Logical Positivism that ended up at dagger point. Well, there is the vodka...


19 posted on 09/16/2013 9:18:57 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ConservativeDude
I was 40 at the time. I understood exactly where he was coming from.

I once learned...always play someone better than yourself...it will make you strive.

20 posted on 09/16/2013 9:19:15 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: GeronL
2/3 of a pun...
P
U
21 posted on 09/16/2013 9:19:23 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ConservativeDude

Yet another reason to major in something other than philosophy.


22 posted on 09/16/2013 9:20:50 AM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: ConservativeDude

I don’t think they reasoned this out.


23 posted on 09/16/2013 9:21:34 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ConservativeDude

I don’t think they reasoned this out.


24 posted on 09/16/2013 9:21:34 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: cloudmountain

lolz


25 posted on 09/16/2013 9:21:36 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL

I’m still trying to figure out “a nonlethal hand gun”.


26 posted on 09/16/2013 9:22:43 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: ConservativeDude

Just imagining some of the Chicago gangs discussing Kant..before blowing each others head off over drugs.


27 posted on 09/16/2013 9:23:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tet68

must be very very small bullets.... or maybe it shot bb’s or something


28 posted on 09/16/2013 9:23:17 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Sacajaweau

Incidentally, I think 40 is about the ideal age to take up philosophy.

Before that, it is just vanity.

Of course after that, it can be vanity as well, but...it can also be wisdom if you approach it humbly AND rigorously.


29 posted on 09/16/2013 9:23:37 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

Crazy

I only get violent when reading Hobbes

Kant is for sissies


30 posted on 09/16/2013 9:24:07 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Sacajaweau

Or discussing the metaphysics of Purple Drank.

Wait, I didn’t just say that


31 posted on 09/16/2013 9:24:19 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Sacajaweau
Just imagining some of the Chicago gangs discussing Kant..before blowing each others head off over drugs.

Something you'd almost expect to see in a Quentin Tarantino movie.

32 posted on 09/16/2013 9:24:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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ANNIE: Anything you can do I can do better
......I can do anything better than you
FRANK: Nyet, you Kant
ANNIE: Da, I can
FRANK: Nyet, you Kant
ANNIE: Da, I can
FRANK: Nyet, you Kant
ANNIE: Da, I can, da, I can ... pow pow pow!


33 posted on 09/16/2013 9:25:25 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: wardaddy

Kant WAS a sissy!


34 posted on 09/16/2013 9:25:45 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude

We know who won the debate. Bullet trumps.


35 posted on 09/16/2013 9:27:19 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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I Kant get no satisfaction


36 posted on 09/16/2013 9:27:42 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: tet68
I’m still trying to figure out “a nonlethal hand gun”.

That handgun would be in the possession of: a
1. blind person
2. paraplegic
3. dyed-in-the-wool Democrat Liberal pain-in-the-wazoo
4. REALLY, REALLY old person
5. MAYBE a man of the cloth
6. glutton being offered a bag of chips by anyone else in exchange for the handgun

Hey, there are LOTS more....unfortunately.

37 posted on 09/16/2013 9:28:49 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: JRandomFreeper; dfwgator
This fall, look for the new hit network series "Battle of the 18th Century Philosophers". It will be fought with flintlock weapons.

JR - in answer to your question - "How do you define madness/"

38 posted on 09/16/2013 9:29:21 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: Sacajaweau
Just imagining some of the Chicago gangs discussing Kant..before blowing each others head off over drugs.

I'm thinking a post-structuralist rap throwdown between Jean "AK-47" Baudrillard and Michel "Li'l Mikey" Foucault. "Hey yo! Yo mama so fat she think Derrida is purple drank!" Could get very ugly.

39 posted on 09/16/2013 9:29:59 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: JRandomFreeper

They should have turned to a football match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2gJamguN04


40 posted on 09/16/2013 9:30:20 AM PDT by golux
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To: tet68; GeronL

Tear-gas gun, most likely; they’re very common all over central Europe. No permit, no license, shoots tear-gas cartridges. You can carry them anywhere.

Like this: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/K/TKW-REV-M29HW-SVJF_1_mark.jpg


41 posted on 09/16/2013 9:30:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Graybeard58

“Y’know Nietzsche says, that ‘out of chaos comes order’.”

“Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard.”


42 posted on 09/16/2013 9:31:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Kant WAS a sissy!

You KNOW what the gunny would have said...Kant was a pussycat....er, well you know what I mean.

43 posted on 09/16/2013 9:31:22 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

interesting


44 posted on 09/16/2013 9:31:45 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: ConservativeDude

So they were arguing, see... and the one guy, see, he sez

“I like Freude, but I’m really Junge at heart....”

and then the other guy, see, he sez, right before he pulled the trigger he sez

“We just Kant come to an agreement here...”

Badda bing...


45 posted on 09/16/2013 9:32:34 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Hardastarboard

Or Philosophy Football

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8


46 posted on 09/16/2013 9:32:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NFHale; ConservativeDude

.... and AFTER the guy got shot, the other guy, see, he sez:

“Yeah...DAT’S gonna leave a Marx!”

Try the Veal! Here till Tuesday!


47 posted on 09/16/2013 9:33:49 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: dfwgator
Mel Brooks. Now THERE is a philosopher.

I am a Brooksian.

/johnny

48 posted on 09/16/2013 9:34:12 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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...He defined an imperative as any proposition declaring a certain action (or inaction) to be necessary.

If that is an accurate description of Kant's philosophy of morality, I just can't see why anybody would respect it.

If some group of people propose an action to be "necessary", then that seems to just be his way of saying that some people are declaring it to be the right thing to do. Presumably he does not mean "necessary" in the usual sense that people actually always do the action...but that it is "morally necessary" even if people sometimes do not take such actions. So why doesn't he just say that the things that are good to do are the things people consider good to do?

Also different groups of people might come to different conclusions of what actions are "necessary". Does this mean that any differing view is moral? And how many people need to have this view to construct an independent morality? How about one crazed murderer? Does it take a while lot of Nazis? Under his view, can we call what the murderer did or the Nazis did wrong when the slaughtered innocents when they thought it was "necessary"?

Give me the natural law view of Locke anytime.

49 posted on 09/16/2013 9:34:30 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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The discussion deteriorated into a fistfight and one participant pulled out a small nonlethal pistol and fired repeatedly.


50 posted on 09/16/2013 9:35:26 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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