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Obama Says GOP Debt Ceiling Demands Are an Assault on U.S. ‘Constitutional Structure’
The Blaze ^ | Sep. 15, 2013 | Oliver Darcy

Posted on 09/16/2013 11:17:46 AM PDT by xzins

President Barack Obama said in an interview which aired on Sunday that he “will not negotiate” on the debt ceiling with the GOP.

“What I haven’t been willing to negotiate, and I will not negotiate, is on the debt ceiling,” Obama told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in an interview on “This Week.”

The comments come on the eve of another fiscal showdown, where House Republicans, seeking to defund and delay the implementation of the president’s landmark healthcare law, hope to negotiate concessions from the White House.

“If we continue to set a precedent in which a president … is in a situation in which each time the United States is called upon to pay its bills, the other party can simply sit there and say, ‘Well, we’re not going to put – pay the bills unless you give us … what we want,’ that changes the constitutional structure of this government entirely,” Obama said.

Obama said he is drawing a red line.

“What has never happened in the past was the notion that in exchange for fulfilling the full faith and credit of the United States, that we are wiping away let’s say major legislation like the health care bill,” he said.

“Never in history have we used just making sure that the U.S. government is paying its bills as a lever to radically cut government at the kind of scale that they’re talking about,” he added.


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1 posted on 09/16/2013 11:17:46 AM PDT by xzins
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This seems strange to me.

The Constitution gives the House of Representatives the authority to initiate any bill having anything to do with spending. When it comes to spending, the Constitution says, it’s got to pass “The Peoples’ Representatives” first.

So, how is saying, “no more debt; we’re sick and tired of debt” an assault on the Constitution?

SOMEONE should be saying that.

Can you imagine your family members telling you that refusing to go into additional debt is an assault on the family structure.

“But, kids, we can’t afford a new car.”

“Tough, Dad. If you don’t get a new car, then you are assaulting us, and we’re calling Child Services.”

“Hi, Mr X, this is Child Services: We’re sending the SWAT teams over. I understand you’ve been assaulting your kids.”


2 posted on 09/16/2013 11:18:15 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

The only assault we have right now is from this White House


3 posted on 09/16/2013 11:20:22 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: xzins

Yet the legislative branch can ignore any laws they don’t like.

And implement “EOs” for laws they wished they had.


4 posted on 09/16/2013 11:22:05 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: xzins

Wow from an a$$clown who wouldn’t know the constitution if it hit him upside the head.


5 posted on 09/16/2013 11:23:32 AM PDT by WilliamRobert (Ted Cruz is my senator)
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To: xzins

When will the GOP call King Obama a liar. And ads should be taken out on MSM with destroying King Obama and call him a liar. Stop being so soft on this communists who has destroyed America.


6 posted on 09/16/2013 11:24:42 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: xzins

Exactly. The House’s power of the purse was adapted from the Brit House of Commons. It is designed for the people’s reps to stymie the executive when necessary.


7 posted on 09/16/2013 11:25:02 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V baby. An Article V amendment convention of the states is our only hope.)
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To: xzins
Obama, what the House is saying: we aren't giving the authority to continue to print money, without some reduction in spending.

Obamacare has become a black hole of additional spending, despite your hollow claims that it would save money. So, that's a place to start.

If you don't want to do it with Obamacare, then it's time to come up with a significant cut elsewhere.

8 posted on 09/16/2013 11:25:05 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: xzins

“Obama said he is drawing a red line. “

Oh my god, he is drawing a red line. Well I guess if he is drawing a red line, we should give up.


9 posted on 09/16/2013 11:27:21 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: xzins; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
RE :”“If we continue to set a precedent in which a president … is in a situation in which each time the United States is called upon to pay its bills, the other party can simply sit there and say, ‘Well, we’re not going to put – pay the bills unless you give us … what we want,’ that changes the constitutional structure of this government entirely,” Obama said. Obama said he is drawing a red line. “

Given that the budget ends in two weeks and the debt limit just weeks after that congress has not actually committed the spending for what Obama calls ‘pay the bills’ yet.

Obama is actually demanding the spending be passed in a CR so he can argue that now congress must ‘pay the bills’ they racked up by extending the debt.

What if GOP told MSM they would not ‘negotiate’ like Obama gets away with?? (he only negotiates with those pledged to kill us)

Can you imagine?

10 posted on 09/16/2013 11:27:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: xzins

He’ll negotiate with Assad, with Putin, with Ahmadinejad, et al, but he won’t with the GOP.

Whatever....

This POS is so treasonous. Why has he not been arrested yet?


11 posted on 09/16/2013 11:28:05 AM PDT by Lucky9teen ("The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative." ~ Edward Abbey)
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To: xzins

Obama is a Marxist idiot. Has it all backwards as usual.


12 posted on 09/16/2013 11:28:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: xzins

WTF does he know about the Constitution?


13 posted on 09/16/2013 11:28:36 AM PDT by hiredhand
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To: xzins

The former University instructor in Constitutional Law appears to be a bit confused as to where the Power of the Purse lies.


15 posted on 09/16/2013 11:33:34 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lucky9teen; sickoflibs; Jim Robinson

He’ll not negotiate.

The bigger question is whether the House will cave. They are terribly afraid of bad press.

But, the truth is that they DON’T have to NEGOTIATE what Obama will do. Since they’re in the driver’s seat on spending, all that have to do is TO DO what they’ll do.


16 posted on 09/16/2013 11:34:21 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: staytrue
Oh my god, he is drawing a red line. Well I guess if he is drawing a red line, we should give up.

"President Putin, there's a call from the United States for you...someone named Boh-ner, that's what it sounds like to me. He needs advice on circumventing another one of Obama's red lines. Will you take the call?"

"He's very persistent...now he's crying about a Cruz missile that he can't shake off...no, this Boh-ner man doesn't appear to be exceptional, not in the American sense."

17 posted on 09/16/2013 11:34:27 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: xzins

Sadly but seriously this is exactly how the Left looks at the goings on in Washington. Its not their fault. Its the fault of those “Waskely Wepublicans”.


18 posted on 09/16/2013 11:34:29 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: xzins
“If we continue to set a precedent in which a president … is in a situation in which each time the United States is called upon to pay its bills, the other party can simply sit there and say, ‘Well, we’re not going to put – pay the bills unless you give us … what we want,’ that changes the constitutional structure of this government entirely,” Obama said

The Constitution says:

Article 1 SECTION. 8.

The Congress shall have Power... ...To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

They are also, therefore, empowered to NOT borrow money.

The president is NOT empowered to do either.

Mr. Obama sounds like an hysterical jackass. The fundamental structure of the Constitution is not only NOT being altered, it is actually being adhered to (by congress).

19 posted on 09/16/2013 11:35:05 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: xzins

Cutting government because we can’t spend unlimited amounts is unconstitutional for sure. A President should be able to do what he wants without the constraints of reality.


20 posted on 09/16/2013 11:35:31 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: xzins

NEVER in History have we SPENT so much money on vote-buying/pandering to a voterbase that we put this Nation in debt for generations to come, with NO WAY POSSIBLE TO PAY FOR IT EXCEPT BY MORE BORROWING!


21 posted on 09/16/2013 11:36:36 AM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: USMCPOP
Cutting government because we can’t spend unlimited amounts is unconstitutional for sure. A President should be able to do what he wants without the constraints of reality.

It will come crashing down. They understand that but won't admit it.

There is a point where even their vaunted ability to create money will not get them out of their spending madness.

22 posted on 09/16/2013 11:37:58 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Nowhere near as Constitution-assaulting as running a federal government five years without a budget, dumbass.


23 posted on 09/16/2013 11:38:05 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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24 posted on 09/16/2013 11:39:26 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you donÂ’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: WayneS

What is that document you’re quoting at me....never heard of it before

/sarc


25 posted on 09/16/2013 11:39:36 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

I call his stealing from my children and grandchildren unconstitutional.


26 posted on 09/16/2013 11:40:35 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Iron Munro

Good one.


27 posted on 09/16/2013 11:41:17 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: xzins

Is this the kind of mushy headed constitutional law they teach at Harvard?

If so, The Obamadork’s leftist professors must be absolutely overjoyed with their success.


28 posted on 09/16/2013 11:43:20 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you donÂ’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Iron Munro

Did he ever actually pass a state bar someplace? I forget.


29 posted on 09/16/2013 11:44:14 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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why should he negotiate? he doesn’t care about the debt ceiling... and hasn’t since he fedgov stopped updating our national debt on may 17th... about $50billion short of the ‘ceiling’

here’s a tip for those clueless republicrats...

a ‘ceiling’ is only a ceiling ... if you cannot exceed it, cannot ignore it, and cannot avoid it.

next time, put some teeth in the bill to insure its implemented


30 posted on 09/16/2013 11:46:02 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: xzins

Obama has a CONSTITUTIONAL right to overspend!

And he would know - ‘cause he’s a Constitutional scholar, they say.


31 posted on 09/16/2013 11:46:26 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: jersey117
Good one.

Who would know better than Obama what is in the US Constitution?

After all, he is a Harvard schooled lawyer and a constitutional professor, or so we have been told.

The school records and diploma are being held in a secure location along with his real birth certificate and his real social security card.


32 posted on 09/16/2013 11:48:38 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you donÂ’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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“...So, how is saying, “no more debt; we’re sick and tired of debt” an assault on the Constitution?...”

Because the Tea Party said the one word to him that nobody else ever said to him in his whole Affirmative Action-based career:

They said “No.”


33 posted on 09/16/2013 11:51:37 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Jacquerie

If they packed a sack that is....


34 posted on 09/16/2013 11:51:49 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: xzins

"There is scarce a king in a hundred who would not,
if he could, follow the example of Pharaoh -
get first all the people's money, then their lands,
and then make them and their children servants forever.

It will be said that we do not propose to establish kings.
I know it.
But there is a natural inclination in mankind to kingly government.
It sometimes relieves them from aristocratic domination.
They had rather have one tyrant than 500.
It gives more the appearance of equality among citizens, and that they like.
I am apprehensive - therefore - perhaps too apprehensive -
that the government of these States may in future times end in a monarchy
[not called a monarchy but an executive with monarchial powers].
But this catastrophe, I think, may long be delayed,
if in our proposed system we do not sow the seeds of contention,
faction and tumult, by making our posts of honor places of profit.
If we do, I fear that, though we employ at first a number
and not a single person,
the number will in time be set aside,
it will only nourish the fetus of a king
(as the honorable gentleman from Virginia very aptly expressed it),
and a king will the sooner be set over us."

-- Benjamin Franklin

35 posted on 09/16/2013 11:57:38 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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The former University instructor part-time lecturer in Constitutional Law
36 posted on 09/16/2013 12:09:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Diogenesis

Great words from Franklin.

Places of profit describes nationally elected seats with too many of our Senators and Reps and High appointive offices coming away from them very wealthy or with connections that enable them to become very wealthy.


37 posted on 09/16/2013 12:11:16 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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RE :”Since they’re in the driver’s seat on spending, all that have to do is TO DO what they’ll do.”

Technically a shutdown does not cut Obama-care as it is exempt,
so to actually do that they have to somehow get Reid to pass a defund bill and then Obama to sign it.

The question then becomes : Who does a shutdown hurt more (Obama or GOP) ? Or better : which side thinks they will be hurt the worst?

That will tell us who will cave.

38 posted on 09/16/2013 12:11:23 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Defunding ObamaCare does not repeal it.

Funding the remainder of government except ObamaCare does not repeal it.

Only repealing it will repeal it, and that won’t happen until we have a majority conservative House, a super-majority conservative Senate, and a conservative president.

And that won’t happen some crisis causes America to see it is being led into serfdom.

How do you fund all of America? Start them with middle expectations and keep lowering the payments until they’re low expectations, and them lead them to serfdom.

Who cares if they all have part time jobs, if they accept it?

Who cares if food stamp lobster becomes food stamp beans and rice, if they all accept it.

Who cares if a welfare apartment becomes a welfare hovel, if they all accept it?

The ancestors lived in hovels, ate beans, and worked for a pittance.

Nothing genetic will keep them from doing so.

Only something of the spirit.


39 posted on 09/16/2013 12:18:10 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

It seems to be if you don’t have a budget, you can’t direct what monies get spent where.

IMO, the entire Congress is derelict in their duties for not passing a budget in 5 years, where is the outrage?

DC needs to be flushed, save for a few.


40 posted on 09/16/2013 12:19:48 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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RE :Only repealing it will repeal it, and that won’t happen until we have a majority conservative House, a super-majority conservative Senate, and a conservative president.

True, my only point was that not having a CR signed by Obama does not defund it. Much of the Rheteric floating arounds sounds like it does,.

41 posted on 09/16/2013 12:23:50 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: xzins

What Obama is saying is that he will spend anything he likes and the Congress can go screw them selves.


42 posted on 09/16/2013 12:29:11 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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“What I haven’t been willing to negotiate, and I will not negotiate, is on the debt ceiling,” Obama told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos in an interview on “This Week.”

WE need to grab this gift from the President and run over him with it.

This is not about Republicans....

This is about the Dictator Obama.

43 posted on 09/16/2013 12:31:15 PM PDT by EBH (America is not judge, jury, and executioner for the world.)
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A continuing resolution without funds for ObamaCare won’t be signed by Obama. You are correct.

Not having a CR at all won’t defund ObamaCare, either. You are correct.

The conservatives want to put a CR in front of him to sign that funds all of government except ObamaCare and have the people understand that it is Obama who is shutting down the government and not them.

They need to be putting that in ads, in emails, in franking privileges, and in every means of communication they can think of RIGHT NOW.

Because when it actually comes to the showdown, the media is NOT going to carry their water for them.

In other words, they have to get AHEAD of this particular story. Sadly, they can’t agree. So, if they don’t agree until the last minute, then they will be handed their heads by the media.

That’s what’s terrible about Boehner’s dithering.


44 posted on 09/16/2013 12:34:24 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Is this the same guy who arbitrarily changed a section of a duly enacted law ( the ACA) without any reference to Congress (the Employer Mandate)? I believe this sort of behavior is referred to by those of the Hebrew persuasion as Chutzpah.


45 posted on 09/16/2013 12:35:24 PM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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I was wondering if I missed the news on that, ya know, that legal requirement for them to pass a budget!

So thankful I have a choice NOT to listen to this fake poser, it’s challenging enough to read what spills out of his pie hole.


46 posted on 09/16/2013 12:44:09 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: xzins

He knows the Constitution?!?


47 posted on 09/16/2013 12:44:40 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: xzins

“...that changes the constitutional structure of this government entirely,”

____________________________________

How in the world did this guy even pass a Constitutional law class?


48 posted on 09/16/2013 12:55:42 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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RE :”The conservatives want to put a CR in front of him to sign that funds all of government except ObamaCare and have the people understand that it is Obama who is shutting down the government and not them.”

You missed a step.
That CR must get through the Senate.

Now if the GOP had just 51 willing Senators (all a budget needs) it would be possible to challenge Obama with it directly.

But I bet that Senate only has about 15 or so. You know them.

So Obama will get on TV and blame that ‘no good do nothing GOP congress’ then, just guessing now...Bohner gets with Reid and cuts another CR deal....

Like the reruns of Gilligans Island (now playing on MeTV)

49 posted on 09/16/2013 1:02:10 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: xzins

All Right! Obama is drawing another red line in the sand! So we conservatives have WON!!


50 posted on 09/16/2013 1:02:52 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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