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California poised to become first state to impose full ban on lead bullets
foxnews ^ | 9/16/13 | ap

Posted on 09/16/2013 12:59:26 PM PDT by ColdOne

California is on the verge of becoming the first state to impose a full ban on hunting with lead bullets -- with environmentalists and gun-rights advocates squaring off as Gov. Jerry Brown decides whether to sign the legislation.

The state already has a ban on lead-bullet hunting in eight counties with an endangered condor population. But the new proposal, overwhelmingly approved this month by the Democrat-controlled General Assembly, would impose a statewide ban on all hunting.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; secondamendment
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1 posted on 09/16/2013 12:59:26 PM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

so we can still shoot them at ranges, and in non-hunting situations?


2 posted on 09/16/2013 1:00:06 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ColdOne

So there is no naturally occurring lead? Using lead bullets introduces something that came from another planet? Or was totally man made?

Imbeciles.


3 posted on 09/16/2013 1:03:03 PM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: ColdOne

I bet that more condors and other endangered birds are chopped up in California wind farms than ever died as a result of lead poisoning from bullets.


4 posted on 09/16/2013 1:03:23 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: gaijin
Practice with lead, hunt with lead-free.
5 posted on 09/16/2013 1:04:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Don't blame me for McCain.)
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To: ColdOne

Many other bullet types are ALREADY prohibited by the Fed.gov. So, this may be a backdoor way to disarm the Californians.


6 posted on 09/16/2013 1:04:54 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: ColdOne

Come on Americans, get your recall petitions ready, defy the liberal socialist who believe anyone who stand up for liberty and less government control are wacko tea party conservatives who will start a civil war by 2016!

Won’t be the first time a sitting California governor was successfully recalled by the citizens of California!

Yes we can!!!


7 posted on 09/16/2013 1:06:21 PM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: ColdOne

0’s workaround ban to render firearms useless once again. The guy dorsnt give up. If he can’t do it he uses his fellow liberal cronies. I guess trying to buy all the ammo didn’t work so now he’s going to try and ban lead. I wish they’d ban the metal used to forge his Ping clubs so we could watch him have a meltdown as his very own tactics are used against him.


8 posted on 09/16/2013 1:06:23 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: ColdOne

Of course, the government will exempt itself and the “Only ones”. But all you Californicators can kiss hunting good-bye.


9 posted on 09/16/2013 1:07:01 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: The Great RJ

I bet that more condors and other endangered birds are chopped up in California wind farms than ever died as a result of lead poisoning from bullets.

Yes, but those are killed in an ecologically acceptable manner. Just like average citizen riding dirt bikes, quads and dune buggies in the desert is bad, but solar power installations permanently destroying hundreds of acres of the desert ecosystem is good.


10 posted on 09/16/2013 1:08:08 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: ColdOne

Will the bad guys quit using lead bullets when they kill people?


11 posted on 09/16/2013 1:08:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: The Great RJ

Are there any statistics regarding the Endangered Eagles regarding the numbers killed by LEAD bullets (horrors) versus the numbers chopped by environmentally pure slashing windmill blades?
It appears that it is perfectly OK and permitted to kill as many endangered birds as you want, providing the method of killing is deemed “environmentally friendly”.
While I’m at it, I haven’t heard of much concern regarding endangered birds from PETA and its followers. Hmmmm.


12 posted on 09/16/2013 1:10:06 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: 2harddrive

“Many other bullet types are ALREADY prohibited by the Fed.gov. So, this may be a backdoor way to disarm the Californians.”

During the Clinton years, they were sending soldiers into action who had only fired plastic bullets in practice. The ballistics are entirely different. I worked for a contractor with Army contracts. Soldiers told me that during Clinton’s years the bought their own .223 rounds to use while standing guard as there were none left to issue them. I can’t confirm that, but I was at GD when Bush won and he had his staff call GD’s president and ask him to go to around the clock shifts making powder, as there was none left in the inventory. They said they’d talk price when they took office on the 20th. They did and GD was VERY happy.


13 posted on 09/16/2013 1:10:51 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: ColdOne

So, we can use depleted uranium now?


14 posted on 09/16/2013 1:11:11 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott? I call it, "Mr. & Mrs. Tenorman Chili.")
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To: ColdOne

From the article:
“There is no safe level of lead for human consumption,” said bill sponsor and state Assemblyman Anthony Rendon, a Los Angeles-area Democrat.

A typical Democrap example of deliberate deception. Even dioxin had a maximum exposure level.

This Clownifornia elected nutter wants you to believe lead is more dangerous than dioxin.

His constituents agree with him.


15 posted on 09/16/2013 1:11:17 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: ColdOne

Well come onnn, if you shoot a deer with a lead bullet the deer could die because lead is poison.


16 posted on 09/16/2013 1:11:20 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (What do we want? Time travel. When do we want it? It's irrelevant.)
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To: 2harddrive

I pour my own. I have stuff stashed in case that ever becomes the case. Lots of lead stashed, too.


17 posted on 09/16/2013 1:13:12 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: ColdOne

the California Dept Fish and Game will soon be history if lead ammo is outlawed thus essentially outlawing hunting. There will be a RECALL of ALL ANTI SECOND AMENDMENT STATE LEGISLATURES WHO SUPPORTED THIS FLURRY OF ANTI GUN LAWS & there will be a ballot initiative to RECEND ALL ANTI SECOND AMENDMENT LAWS in Kalifornia!


18 posted on 09/16/2013 1:16:05 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: ColdOne

1. The Condor’s range is exactly that of the lead mining in California. The tailings from the lead mines go back 100 or 150 years and are extensive.

2. The California department of Natural Resources or the equivalent will tell you that 99.999% of any lead poisoning in the Condors is due to residual lead oxide from leaded gas which is still in the environment.

3. The number of ammunition related deaths of the Condors is apparently 0.


19 posted on 09/16/2013 1:16:14 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Jim Robinson

“Will the bad guys quit using lead bullets when they kill people?”

The bad guys are not the Lone Ranger and they won’t be using silver bullets, either.
;-)
They WILL be taking all our silver (and gold, too) at every opportunity.
:-(


20 posted on 09/16/2013 1:16:31 PM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: ColdOne

Okay, what about depleted uranium?...............


21 posted on 09/16/2013 1:18:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: Lx

GMTA!............


22 posted on 09/16/2013 1:18:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: ColdOne

I haven’t missed the beaches in a long time.


23 posted on 09/16/2013 1:19:10 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Lx

Maybe we can use Bismuth instead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismuth


24 posted on 09/16/2013 1:21:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: GladesGuru

“There is no safe level of lead for human consumption,” said bill sponsor and state Assemblyman Anthony Rendon, a Los Angeles-area Democrat.

If he’s talking about ingesting lead via projectiles, he’s probably right.

If he’s talking about lead in the environment, the imbecile is probably unaware that every human being who’s ever lived has had some concentration of lead in their bodies. But as Paracelsus noted over 500 years ago, it’s the dose that makes the poison, and for the vast majority of humans, that dose of lead is of no consequence, and the use or nonuse of lead bullets will have no significant effect on it at all.


25 posted on 09/16/2013 1:21:23 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: ColdOne

It’s likely that most Californians are against this and many other edicts by their perverted government, but all most of these drones see are “D’s” in front of their eyes on Election Day.

The mental disconnect is total.


26 posted on 09/16/2013 1:21:30 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ColdOne

The more I read this kinda of news makes me detest the Democrap more and more. I hate them!!!


27 posted on 09/16/2013 1:22:03 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: ColdOne

So lead has become a truly precious metal.

Maybe we can use silver, like the Lone Ranger, or depleted uranium, which packs even more of a wallop?

The value of a lead slug is that it carries a great deal of kinetic energy. The larger the caliber, the more damage it does.

But a very small caliber slug, at sufficiently high velocity, and even of non-lead composition, can carry a sufficient punch to do at least as much damage. A .223 Magnum (4,600 fps muzzle velocity) is not a varmint gun.


28 posted on 09/16/2013 1:22:25 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

We could have bullets made of bismuth. It’s non-toxic. It’s used in Pepto-Bismol............


29 posted on 09/16/2013 1:23:41 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: alloysteel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismuth


30 posted on 09/16/2013 1:24:32 PM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: ColdOne

Does that mean after a gang shooting, some California official will inspect the scene for illegal lead bullets?

Maybe now, the state will actually go after gang members for something, since they haven’t been going after them for, well, “real” crimes.


31 posted on 09/16/2013 1:26:10 PM PDT by JeffChrz (2013. Brought to you by the uninformed voters of the United States.)
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To: ColdOne

I am sick of this. Anyone wonder if we even have a tipping point?

Accept three things:

Their goal is to enslave us.
They will not stop until that goal is achieved.
No amount of lobbying, letters, phone calls or going hat in hand to liberal courts will stop it. Nor will going to the GOP on bended knee asking our lords to defend us.

Do we have a Constitution, or don’t we?


32 posted on 09/16/2013 1:26:29 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ColdOne

The good news is that the use of lead will be permissible during the 2nd American Revolution.


33 posted on 09/16/2013 1:35:30 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: ColdOne

Democrats Gone Wild !!!


34 posted on 09/16/2013 1:41:44 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: ColdOne

I’ll take a box of .44 mags in depleted uranium please.


35 posted on 09/16/2013 1:43:35 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: gaijin

I think so. Gonna call my range and ask.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 1:45:16 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: PotatoChop

Sorry but not here in CA. Demographics, and other factors, have moved us HARD Left. Even in 2010 CA went mega Blue with, of course, last year eliminating the GOP as a political force of any measure. No. CA is full on Socialist for generations to come.


37 posted on 09/16/2013 1:46:52 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Jim Robinson
Will the bad guys quit using lead bullets when they kill people?

I hope not.
She can then be charged with two felonies!

38 posted on 09/16/2013 1:48:18 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Will the bad guys quit using lead bullets when they kill people?

I hope not.
She can then be charged with two felonies!

39 posted on 09/16/2013 1:48:26 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Will the bad guys quit using lead bullets when they kill people?

I hope not.
She can then be charged with two felonies!

40 posted on 09/16/2013 1:48:39 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: publius911

FR been having issues the last few days?


41 posted on 09/16/2013 1:49:17 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: The Great RJ

I thought the last California Condor not in captivity died sometime in the late 90’s?


42 posted on 09/16/2013 1:51:17 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ColdOne

Good more lead for Virginia.


43 posted on 09/16/2013 1:52:31 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: ColdOne

I think the California state legislators have been eating Lead bullets!


44 posted on 09/16/2013 1:56:29 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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To: ColdOne

Let’s just hope they don’t enact a law against unmitigated stupidity - eighty precent of the residents would be forced to leave or go to jail.


45 posted on 09/16/2013 2:08:10 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: JSDude1

Let me say this again; The 2nd amendment and democrat majorities are incompatible. Short of some help from SCOTUS, which probably isn’t coming, Californians WILL lose most or all their 2a rights. Democrats are increasing in total numbers.


46 posted on 09/16/2013 2:09:35 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: RIghtwardHo
One could try, since in Colorado, the two (2) districts where the liberal socialist were recalled, were democratic strong districts by 53% over GOP, but, were able to recall the district representative because she (Giron) failed to listen to the people before voting to adopt strict gun control legislation.

I can't believe that [every] Californian is soooo leftist that the people would sit by and allow the socialist to take the entire State of California over the cliff, but, I may be wrong. What would the American people loose if at least they tried? Look at the many petitions the California people placed on the ballots, only to pass by big margins and the leftist then sought a socialist judge to over turn the will of the people, but, the ballot proposals at least did win when the people were allowed to voice their opinions with their right to vote.

Just saying . . .

47 posted on 09/16/2013 2:17:10 PM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: ColdOne

ONLY one step away from making all guns able to only shoot BLANKS..
that way they didnt violate the 2nd amendment..

Picture a SWAT Team fully armed with bullet proof vest and everything...
USEing guns that shoot only shoot BLANKS.....

THEN consider that this very logical to any liberal minds..
Liberalism is indeed a mental defect.. a dysfunction..


48 posted on 09/16/2013 2:18:17 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ColdOne

I guess I’ll have to reserve my lead ammunition for Democrats.


49 posted on 09/16/2013 2:19:07 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: chuckles

Those are called “SLAP” rounds in the military. Unfortunately, no company makes a .44 cal slap round, yet. They do make a .50 cal slap round (yellow tip) that is pretty awesome!


50 posted on 09/16/2013 2:22:48 PM PDT by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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