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Three-quarters of Americans think teachers paid less than they really are
Washington Examiner ^ | 9-16-13 | ASHE SCHOW

Posted on 09/16/2013 2:31:16 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

Seventy-four percent of Americans think teachers make less than they really do, according to a new poll from Rasmussen. The average teacher salary in America is $55,000 (upward of $75,000 in Chicago), but three quarters of Americans think teachers earn less than that.

Over half of Americans (52 percent) believe teachers are paid too little. Just 15 percent believe they are paid too much while 26 percent think teachers are paid the right amount.

In a related poll, just 26 percent of Americans give public schools positive marks.

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KEYWORDS: education; perception; salaries; unions
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1 posted on 09/16/2013 2:31:16 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Most people are taught that in school. They don’t know how much teachers are paid but they “know” that teachers are underpaid.


2 posted on 09/16/2013 2:34:55 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Not too shabby for a job with a 3 month vacation every year.

Compare that to a truck driver who might make $65,000 but only gets home for 18 to 24 hours every 3 weeks or more.


3 posted on 09/16/2013 2:35:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s administration (principal, AP, Dean, etc.) that are over-paid, not to mention the myriad assortment of “educators” in the “education” industry who draw a government salary merely by having an “education” degree and being registered Dems.


4 posted on 09/16/2013 2:36:19 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

A survey was done in about 1990, when there was a rash of teacher strikes in Pennsylvania.

It was found that teachers made about the same as equivalently experienced and educated private sector employees, who worked twelve months a year compared to nine by teachers. Furthermore, the survey found that the benefit packages were worth twice that of equivalent private sector employees.


5 posted on 09/16/2013 2:44:11 PM PDT by Daveinyork (IER)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Become a football coach in Alabama or Georgia is the deal. Coaches around here in counties near the state lines, coach long enough in either state to earn their teachers pension and then retire and come over to the other state and start on another pension. Coaches can go for many years, 20 or so at both states and earn nice pensions.


6 posted on 09/16/2013 2:46:03 PM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." Come Quickly LORD Jesus!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The strongest force in America is teacher greed. When I hear one complain, I ask them if they would trade jobs with a caseworker at a welfare office.


7 posted on 09/16/2013 2:46:13 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: forgotten man

“Underpaid” may have been an adjective that could have been applied in the 1980’s, but the contract then was to take the lower wage in exchange for a fast track to job security.

Once tenure was reached, it became practically impossible to dislodge a tenacious leech personality, regardless of degradation of teaching effectiveness. This made the demographic prime pickings for union organizing, whining about “poor pay”, and whipsawing various local school boards for more concessions and broader benefits, only one of which was “parity” in wages. Fact is, most of these “professionals” would have been bounced from one job to another for years before they would have settled into a comfortable position in terms of wages balanced against actual effort put in on the job.

The really poor teachers are “kicked upstairs” to a non-contact job in “administration”. And a raise in pay.


8 posted on 09/16/2013 2:47:29 PM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
its because of the howood and SCM continuing hogwash saga about how hard teachers have to work and the poor pay, and how they have to use their own money to buy chalk....its all crap....

but its all part of them framing the dialog...

which is every time there's a teachers strike its because the teachers are practically slaves, not that they enjoy the most lucrative job in America as far as stability...never get fired...wages....benefits...pensions and of course, they're enormous amount of time off....weekends...holidays...curriculum days....extra days at holidays and the famed Christmas break and spring break....

9 posted on 09/16/2013 2:47:34 PM PDT by cherry
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If you average in the salaries of teaching nuns, it weighs down the whole average.

They are looking at the wrong statistic, the salary of public school teachers is the issue, not “teachers” in general.


10 posted on 09/16/2013 3:00:42 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: alloysteel
The really poor teachers are “kicked upstairs” to a non-contact job in “administration”. And a raise in pay.

Lolz @ the "non-contact."

11 posted on 09/16/2013 3:02:01 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: I_Like_Spam

Are there any teaching nuns left? Anywhere?


12 posted on 09/16/2013 3:03:01 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: alloysteel
Once tenure was reached, it became practically impossible to dislodge a tenacious leech personality, regardless of degradation of teaching effectiveness.

Jackson teacher accused of doctoring test data appeals charges that could lead to his termination

The charges allege that McClellan altered the NWEA test scores of at least 13 Parkside students from fall 2012 to spring 2013 to reflect student growth that wasn’t there.

(snip)

Documents in his personnel file also show McClelland was reprimanded in February 2011 for impersonating JPS Superintendent Dan Evans in “sexually and racially graphic emails” sent from his school computer to other district employees. Copies of those emails also are contained in his personnel file.

13 posted on 09/16/2013 3:07:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Not too shabby for a job with a 3 month vacation every year.

Everybody makes their choices. BTW after 17 years of teaching I don't make any where near that amount. But my wife and I decided we wanted to live in a rural area where the salaries are lower, but the quality of life is much better. This is the choice we made and I am not envious of others at all.

BTW that 3 months off is a myth. I spent 3 weeks as Assistant Principal for summer school and then 2 weeks taking a class so that my students could get dual enrollment credit at the local Community College. Most of my peers work summer jobs as well.

14 posted on 09/16/2013 3:09:27 PM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: cripplecreek
Not too shabby for a job with a 3 month vacation every year.

Everybody makes their choices. BTW after 17 years of teaching I don't make any where near that amount. But my wife and I decided we wanted to live in a rural area where the salaries are lower, but the quality of life is much better. This is the choice we made and I am not envious of others at all.

BTW that 3 months off is a myth. I spent 3 weeks as Assistant Principal for summer school and then 2 weeks taking a class so that my students could get dual enrollment credit at the local Community College. Most of my peers work summer jobs as well.

15 posted on 09/16/2013 3:09:34 PM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: aimhigh

I’ve noticed they’ll complain that their three months off in summer, their winter break and spring break, plus numerous holidays, are “not enough” and they should get more time off...and they’ll make these complaints right in front of people who have to slave 50 weeks a year to get two lousy weeks off! When I told a teacher once that I only got two weeks’ vacation a year, she almost fainted. “That’s ALL?! Oh, my God! How do you STAND it! You should complain! That’s an outrage!” etc. I think they assume everybody gets as much time off as they do.


16 posted on 09/16/2013 3:10:39 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: Nea Wood

That’s why I point to truck drivers as an example of people who are underpaid. Not only are they away from home nearly all the time, they’re paying their living expenses while on the road plus all the bills they have at home.


17 posted on 09/16/2013 3:14:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Not too shabby for a job with a 3 month vacation every year. Compare that to a truck driver who might make $65,000 but only gets home for 18 to 24 hours every 3 weeks or more.

Do you really expect intelligent people to buy into your comparison of teachers and truck drivers?? Truck drivers are not even required by states to have a high school diploma much less any college, college degree or teaching credential. Truck drivers chose to take jobs where they are gone from home for long periods they are not forced to take these jobs any more than teachers are forced to take teaching jobs in china. Yes there is a high demand for foreign English teachers in china.

Next do you expect us to believe truck drivers have as much responsibility as teachers. You might be able to point out the very rare exception to this but it is not the rule for the massive majority of truck drivers.

Are truck drivers required by the state issuing the license to take several extensive state administrated tests to demonstrate their knowledge of Math, English, History, and an assortment of other subjects? Are truck drivers required by the states to go through two semesters of "student truck driving," under the supervision of two qualified professionals? No they are not.

Three months off in the summer? Again the facts and truth do not support this statement. Teachers are lucky to have 10 weeks off, it is usually more like 8 of 9 weeks. Many teachers use this "off time" to complete ongoing required continuing ed classes. I guess you just didn't know about those requirements.

This is an invalid comparison only bought into by people who are truly ignorant of what it takes to become a professional educator. You can be a truck driver in about 6 weeks at many truck driving schools. In this state it takes most teachers 5-6 years of college to become a teacher.

This post is a joke. Just watch the personal attacks come out when disinformation and invalid comparisons do not work.

18 posted on 09/16/2013 3:16:27 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I came to the conclusion long ago, *the poor teachers* = con game by con artist.

I have relatives who are teachers, most could not hack it in the real world.

19 posted on 09/16/2013 3:20:48 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: cripplecreek
Not too shabby for a job with a 3 month vacation every year.

And two weeks at Christmas - a week for spring break- and a bunch of 'work' days... AND the job is six hours a day NOT 8... (yeah I know some teachers put in 50 hours a week, but there's a lot more that stay with 30 to 35 hours a week...

20 posted on 09/16/2013 3:21:41 PM PDT by GOPJ (Weakness is seductive. Our friends stand alone - our enemies sense an opening.What could go wrong?.)
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To: oldenuff2no
Truck drivers are not even required by states to have a high school diploma much less any college, college degree or teaching credential.

Yeah, watch those personal attacks come out you arrogant pathetic piece of trash.
21 posted on 09/16/2013 3:22:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: oldenuff2no
Excellent reply
22 posted on 09/16/2013 3:23:14 PM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: cripplecreek

Not to mention they get a lot of time off each year. Teacher I know take another job during those months ... and generous benefits.


23 posted on 09/16/2013 3:24:04 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: The Cajun
I came to the conclusion long ago, *the poor teachers* = con game by con artist.

I have relatives who are teachers, most could not hack it in the real world.

come on in the water is nice and warm, show us how it is done.

24 posted on 09/16/2013 3:24:47 PM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Three-quarters of Americans think teachers paid less than they really are

The same is probably true for cops. I often hear how little they are paid...

25 posted on 09/16/2013 3:26:07 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Being late is a power play for those with no other power.)
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To: The Cajun
Found this little hand stitched note in a museum classroom display a couple of years ago.

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Methinks the leechers of today whine too much. Today becoming a burden on society seems to be a career goal of many.
26 posted on 09/16/2013 3:28:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Don't forget the lucrative PENSION! How many jobs offer full pension and medical with 96 days off not counting SICK days.

Here is one Texas public school schedule.

1/21/2013 MLK Holiday

1/31/2013 Early Release

2/18/2013 Student Holiday/Staff Workday

2/28/2013 Early Release

3/11/2013 - 3/15/2013 Spring Break Week

3/28/2013 Student Holiday/Staff Workday

3/29/2013 Good Friday Holiday

5/9/2013 Elementary Early Release

5/27/2013 Memorial Day Holiday

6/6/2013 Early Release

6/7/2013 Early Release

6/14/2013 - 8/26/2013 Offices Closed - Summer

9/2/2013 Labor Day Holiday

10/14/2013 Holiday

11/25/2013 - 11/29/2013 Thanksgiving Holiday

12/24/2012 - 1/6/2013 Winter Break

27 posted on 09/16/2013 3:29:02 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: BunnySlippers

But they have Bill Ayers approved “credentials”. How dare you disparage the humble teacher.


28 posted on 09/16/2013 3:29:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Yeah, watch those personal attacks come out you arrogant pathetic piece of trash.

Point proven. Check and Mate. You never have to prove that a person is intellectually challenged, all you have to do is let them talk.

29 posted on 09/16/2013 3:29:51 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Multiply that salary to reflect that they work less than 9 months per year. They are over-paid, under-producing, UNION PARASITES on the Public dole....

The Unionization of Public Employees is a self-serving money-laundering operation of the Democrat Party, period.

UNTIL we get Unions OUT of the public sector, Democrats will continue the ever-increasing increases in spending of taxpayer earnings on the ever-decreasing quality of the Indoctrination Centers (aka: pulik skoolz)

30 posted on 09/16/2013 3:30:30 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: cripplecreek
But they have Bill Ayers approved “credentials”. How dare you disparage the humble teacher.

Anyone who actually believes that Bill Ayers has anything to do with any teachers credentials line up here in the factually and intellectually impaired line. We have just established a leader for that kind of thinking.

31 posted on 09/16/2013 3:32:16 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: verga

That is probably true (that most work summer jobs). But they get paid for that work in addition to their teachers 9 month salary. Overpaid,overly generous retirement benefits and generally mediocre performance.


32 posted on 09/16/2013 3:36:11 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: verga

That is probably true (that most work summer jobs). But they get paid for that work in addition to their teachers 9 month salary. Overpaid,overly generous retirement benefits and generally mediocre performance.


33 posted on 09/16/2013 3:36:11 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: GOPJ
AND the job is six hours a day NOT 8..

Not in Central FL. I substitute, and my day is 7 1/2 hours, and I don't have to do any planning. Most teachers I know work a lot more than six hours a day.

34 posted on 09/16/2013 3:36:51 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: verga
come on in the water is nice and warm, show us how it is done.

Well ya see, a lot of jobs are not *comfi* in the nice and warm in the winter and not *comfi* in the A/C cool in the summer.
A lot of jobs are not 6-7 hours a day, why some are even 12-16 hours a day.
Some jobs are 24 hour call and some 24/7 operations there ain't no such thing as holidays.

Teachers, cry me a river.
Like I said, I have relatives who are teachers, you ain't going to BS me.

35 posted on 09/16/2013 3:37:13 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: oldenuff2no

Sorry, but my sister & brother-in-law are teachers, and you won’t get much support from me.

Truck drivers are generally more productive, serve a more valuable role, are treated like dirt by folks like you, and work MUCH longer hours with far fewer creature comforts. They have more responsibility than teachers, since people can die when they screw up.

Teaching requires the ability to breath during education classes. I took enough to know, before getting my BS in biology. I don’t dislike teachers, but I despise teacher snobs who don’t respect others. And in the world of modern trucking, with GPS tracking, making $65K/year is an uphill battle, to say the least. My son tried it and he made under $1000/month.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 3:37:20 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: oldenuff2no

>> Point proven. You never have to prove that a person is intellectually challenged....

You’re an idiot.


37 posted on 09/16/2013 3:37:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: traditional1

As far as I’m concerned teachers should be private contractors. The best will write their own meal tickets and the worst can flip burgers.


38 posted on 09/16/2013 3:39:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: hal ogen
That is probably true (that most work summer jobs). But they get paid for that work in addition to their teachers 9 month salary. Overpaid,overly generous retirement benefits and generally mediocre performance.

Here in Virginia, we are not required to belong to the Union. About half of my fellow teachers don't. Most that do belong do it for the inexpensive insurance.

As I told others here. Come on in the water is warm. I would love to see those that think they have it more difficult than teachers give it a try.

I worked in industry for years before getting my teaching credentials.

39 posted on 09/16/2013 3:42:32 PM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: cripplecreek
the worst can flip burgers.

Going to be a lot of burger flippers from what I have seen :)

40 posted on 09/16/2013 3:42:44 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Too much in my opinion. Education degrees are ridiculous tripe - that includes the masters degrees.


41 posted on 09/16/2013 3:44:20 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: The Cajun
Teachers, cry me a river.

Where was I crying.

Like I said, I have relatives who are teachers, you ain't going to BS me.

I am not trying to BS you. I actually have 2 Bachelors degrees and 2 Masters. I was offering you the opportunity to walk a mile in my shoes. If you don't want to that is fine.

42 posted on 09/16/2013 3:45:35 PM PDT by verga (Liberals, homeschoolers and protestants, not all that different if you look closely enough)
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To: Mr Rogers

I was lucky to have some great teachers. In many cases they were the same ones who had taught my parents. They were local people and were invested in the education of kids they knew would grow up to be their neighbors.

One of my former teachers is long since retired and tutors my niece in math. He was at our family reunion summer because his wife and only daughter are both deceased and we invite him to family events.


43 posted on 09/16/2013 3:46:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: oldenuff2no

You don’t have a checkmate. You blabbed just as much drivel. Please. Sure, you have to have a college degree to become a teacher. Big deal. Most of them don’t have more than a 2.5 gpa

Every other person going through college and working in private sector have to perform lightyears better than a teacher or they get fired from their jobs.

Most teachers get 12 weeks off for the summer. Some administrators have to come back ‘early.’ Big deal they have to take some college courses during their time off. They get paid plenty for what they accomplish.

Just because you don’t think YOU are intellectually challenged, doesn’t mean you’re not.


44 posted on 09/16/2013 3:46:52 PM PDT by patriotsoul
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To: jeffc
Plenty of regular "teachers" are over paid........

Period.

And I'd gather plenty of teacher's are underpaid.

45 posted on 09/16/2013 3:47:16 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: verga

“I spent 3 weeks as Assistant Principal for summer school and then 2 weeks taking a class”

I am sure this was not in your salary and you were paid extra.

In Texas Principle in Middle School makes around $ 105K for example here is 3 without much looking.

Polytechnic HS Principal Hs $104,860
Southwest HS Principal Hs $104,860
Diamond HS Principal Hs $104,860

My information is from this website. When this was released in the local paper the Texas Public Employees went nuts and tried to remove it.

http://www.texastribune.org/library/data/government-employee-salaries/


46 posted on 09/16/2013 3:48:08 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: verga
Myth for you....probably.

Not so...for many.

47 posted on 09/16/2013 3:49:21 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Credit the poor-mouthing teachers’ unions for that.


48 posted on 09/16/2013 3:49:45 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: glorgau

We need more people in the classrooms who have actual skills. Neil Armstrong went into teaching after leaving NASA and I’m guessing he was a top notch teacher.

Hillsdale college has wisely dropped stand alone teaching related degrees. They now require a 4 year degree in something real first. The thinking is that we have too many teachers teaching things that they don’t really know themselves.


49 posted on 09/16/2013 3:50:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; I_Like_Spam
Are there any teaching nuns left? Anywhere?

Yes, there are. In fact I will be seeing a few of them when I head back to Brooklyn, NY in less than 2 weeks for my 35th HS class reunion.

50 posted on 09/16/2013 3:50:58 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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