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Police: Cop shot unarmed man in Charlotte 10 times
AP ^ | Sep. 16 5:58 PM EDT | MITCH WEISS

Posted on 09/16/2013 3:04:19 PM PDT by redreno

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — An unarmed man seeking help after a car crash over the weekend was shot 10 times by the Charlotte police officer who's now charged in his death, investigators said Monday. A police news release said Officer Randall Kerrick fired 12 times at 24-year-old Jonathan A. Ferrell early Saturday while responding to a breaking and entering call. Ten of the bullets hit the former Florida A&M University football player. Kerrick was charged with voluntary manslaughter and is scheduled for a first court appearance on Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; moronwithbadge; policeshooting; secondamendment; warriorcops

1 posted on 09/16/2013 3:04:19 PM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

That dirty pig should be strung up until his dirty pig neck breaks.


2 posted on 09/16/2013 3:06:21 PM PDT by NowApproachingMidnight (Civilizations die from suicide, not murder.)
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To: redreno

This story as reported in the news this AM is disgusting. The police officer should hang.


3 posted on 09/16/2013 3:08:21 PM PDT by grania
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To: redreno

Once was excessive in this case.


4 posted on 09/16/2013 3:09:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: redreno

Cops need to stick to their prescribed responsibilities: Raising money for the Welfare State from innocent citizens attempting to legally go about their day.


5 posted on 09/16/2013 3:09:36 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: redreno

Ten hits out of twelve shots? This cop must be the academy pistol champ.


6 posted on 09/16/2013 3:10:28 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: redreno

Guess I’ll avoid Charlotte at all costs!!


7 posted on 09/16/2013 3:14:53 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: redreno

Trigger happy LEOtard. It’s beginning to feel like they use their weapons more frequently on innocent citizens (and their dogs) than they do on criminals.


8 posted on 09/16/2013 3:15:05 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: clintonh8r

Of course they do; criminals might shoot back.


9 posted on 09/16/2013 3:18:01 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: grania

I agree.


10 posted on 09/16/2013 3:21:33 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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Indicative of the kind of people the govt wants to police the citizens; callous, thoughtless, and willing to kill. This particular jackass was simply premature.


11 posted on 09/16/2013 3:22:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: redreno

holy crap


12 posted on 09/16/2013 3:31:35 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: redreno

At 2:30 a.m., a 200 lb man with blood all over him charges at you and does not stop even after you tell him to stop. Now, you could allow him to close the distance and attempt to prevent him from taking your gun away from you and shooting you. Or you could simply shoot him to take him down. Kerrick made the right decision. Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.


13 posted on 09/16/2013 3:38:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: bamahead; traviskicks; GeronL; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; ...

Bullies in badges need to be dealt with. Also, police departments need to do a better job of screening their recruits.


14 posted on 09/16/2013 3:40:08 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: Zhang Fei

Banging on the womans door, yelling, and when the cops arrived he rushed them and was tazered before they shot him. This is according to our local paper. So it sounds like the guy was on something. And the NAACP is turning it into this weeks trayvon incident.


15 posted on 09/16/2013 3:45:42 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: bigtoona

Cops must be carrying throw-down hoodies.


16 posted on 09/16/2013 3:47:42 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: redreno
unarmed guy running at a cop. cops only option is to shoot him?

did they stop issuing these?


17 posted on 09/16/2013 3:52:41 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Zhang Fei
Kerrick made the right decision.
Police determined the shooting was excessive and charged Kerrick on Saturday. A police statement Saturday said the investigation showed "Kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during this encounter."

18 posted on 09/16/2013 3:54:50 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Zhang Fei
At 2:30 a.m., a 200 lb man with blood all over him charges at you and does not stop even after you tell him to stop.

That's what the cop said happened.

Whether that's what actually happened remains to be seen.

I suspect that since he was thrown under the bus by his own department, there maybe something else going on that has not yet been released.

19 posted on 09/16/2013 4:02:58 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: redreno

Sure is a lot of knee jerk reactions here. It sounds like it may or may not be justified. How about waiting for the facts? I notice the article states that “officers” arrived on the scene. How many? Seems to me that’s relevant. Two cops could feel legitimately threatened. Several cops should have been able to handle it without shooting the guy.


20 posted on 09/16/2013 4:03:55 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: kanawa
Police determined the shooting was excessive and charged Kerrick on Saturday. A police statement Saturday said the investigation showed "Kerrick did not have a lawful right to discharge his weapon during this encounter."

Charlotte's police chief is a black guy. I'm not surprised that he's going after Kerrick, especially given the monolithic black response to the Trayvon Martin incident. There's probably some concern about black riots, given Charlotte's 1/3 black population.

21 posted on 09/16/2013 4:04:45 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
I suspect that since he was thrown under the bus by his own department, there maybe something else going on that has not yet been released.

Black police chief. It's up to his union to get a good lawyer for him. I suspect it will end up much more cut and dried than anyone expects. At 2:30 in the morning, visibility is a serious issue, not just in terms of what the guy is or isn't wielding, and whether he's got any accomplices. And then there's the fact that the deceased was a big guy.

22 posted on 09/16/2013 4:09:49 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: kanawa

See, ...this is why nobody needs a ten round “clip”.


23 posted on 09/16/2013 4:21:41 PM PDT by Einherjar
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To: sten

Hey Sten, That requires much more training and physical exertion than we want to put out nowadays!

Besides, after Rodney took a lickin and got his mug on tape, most cop shops thought they should retire the venerable night stick.

Now its all tasers, phazers, pepper spray, and all the silly frilly things that really don’t work when you need them to.

A guy trained with a good stick, who knows where the “funny bone” meets the brain, can do wonders.

And the good news is, no one gets killed.

A good smart smack on the back of the elbow does the trick every time its tried. Watch the biggest guy in the world take a knee. Even a cranked up meth head gets that signal to the brain, loud and clear.


24 posted on 09/16/2013 5:02:09 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat ( According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
I suspect that since he was thrown under the bus by his own department, there maybe something else going on that has not yet been released.

the victim is black. The cop is white. The chief is black.

25 posted on 09/16/2013 5:02:30 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Hugin
Sure is a lot of knee jerk reactions here. It sounds like it may or may not be justified. How about waiting for the facts?

Did you forget where you are ? This is free republic !

Free to judge, cast aspersions, call names, pass sentence, etc.

Facts you say ? Who needs facts ? Silly Hugin.....

26 posted on 09/16/2013 5:05:04 PM PDT by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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To: redreno

Jonathan Ferrell

Officer Randall Kerrick

This is so sad!

27 posted on 09/16/2013 5:06:10 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Hugin
How about waiting for the facts?

I'll wait for the facts as soon as somebody can tell me why government vehicles apparently don't come equipped with seat belts, turn signals, speedometers or cruise control and why the drivers are exempt from cell phone usage bans, hogging the passing lane laws, DWI or "Click It Or Ticket" checkpoints or obstructing traffic laws.

If there were a word stronger than "hate", a lot of people would apply it to cops these days.

28 posted on 09/16/2013 5:14:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: onona

You’re right. What was I thinking?


29 posted on 09/16/2013 5:14:11 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Islander7
This is sad but this cop did not use good judgment. An innocent man is dead and all he wanted was some help from those who are supposedly out there to help us.
30 posted on 09/16/2013 5:15:48 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no

My ex-wife and I took a wrong turn in Charlotte at the very time the first verdict in the Rodney King trial was announced. The L.A. PD officers were found not guilty. I had let down my window to ask a black woman for directions when she tried to stab me with a kitchen knife. Didn’t know what was going on; there was a crowd gathering attempting to block our escape. I floored our ‘85 Cougar with the big V-8 nearly running down a couple of the dependent class chumps.

Having said that, I won’t rush to the same sort of judgements they made. There very well may be much more to this story than we know, or maybe not. Time will tell.


31 posted on 09/16/2013 5:37:10 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Einherjar

How many rounds are typically in a cop gun? Did the guy have a banana clip on a pistol?


32 posted on 09/16/2013 6:02:01 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: sten

Sten,

Actually,yes they did ban the nightstick in somejurisdictions ;and took away the big long heavy flashlights as well.There were several lawsuits brought as a result of people dying when the PR24 was used in a chokehold.Many officers were glad to see it go since it was akin to a sword in that one had always to position it out of the way before sitting and was awkward entering/exiting the car.

So the officer is left with choice of poorly trained barehanded combat,taser, or gun.

The less confident the officer the more likely to just shoot.And police usually fire many more shots than the typical citizen in a self-defense incident.In my patrol days the service revolver held SIX .357 rounds and I seem to remember most shootings left the officer’s gun with 2 or 3 rounds unfired and the perp down. Now the officer often has two to three times as many rounds ,which MAY be needed for confrontations with armed groups.But it is still questionable tactics to expend all your ammo unless necessary.

The dead man can not tell his side ;we have no knowledge if he suffered brain trauma in the accident.10 hits indicates a panicky or vicious shooter.I doubt a panic-striken person could make 10 hits of 12 shots fired.

There have been diabetics and others violent and disoriented through no fault of their own ,who have been denied proper treatment or even killed because the responding officer never considered medical causes.

Officers being human WILL make mistakes;when those mistakes cause great harm they must answer to society and the victims of the mistakes(or SHOULD). And if the mistake is shown to be a deliberate ,willful act then the officer should be punished as severely as any citizen.


33 posted on 09/16/2013 6:09:28 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: redreno

Ten hits? How many of them were after he was down?


34 posted on 09/16/2013 6:22:43 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: redreno
Yesterdays thread on this:
Charlotte police kill unarmed man who may have been running to them for help.

That kind of "Protection and Service" I do not need!

35 posted on 09/16/2013 6:23:20 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: sten

Yes. Those are old school now, and even the ASP expandable baton is coming off the belt. The taser was deployed and did not effect the decedant or missed. The next level of force is deadly.

It’s tragic that this guy got killed but I remind everyone that if you were on trial you would want a complete investigation, full discovery and for the case to be viewed in the totality of the circumstances.

Something that the media is not going to provide.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 6:27:50 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Molon Labbie; hoosierham; ConradofMontferrat

ok.. i see. they’ve removed a useful weapon and left the officers ill equipped.

could that be the intention with the expectation of more citizens being shot by cops which could escalate to cries for more gun control? (tho it’d make union cops look bad, so i doubt the anti-gun/pro-big-govt types want that)

meanwhile, if a perp is running at you with no visible weapon and he must be stopped... and you have time for 10 shots... legs? knees? incapacitate instead of kill, no?

meanwhile, wth... 10 shots and still twitching?? good shooting with 83% on target tho placement and quantity needed due to poor placement is in question


37 posted on 09/16/2013 6:55:33 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

The PR24 was a pain in the ass to haul around, required more training to become and stay proficient with. The ASP you could carry on you belt collapsed and the strikes and deployment are much more large muscle group friendly. BTW, joint strikes are considered “red zone” strikes, last resort with that particular level of force.

Rodney King spelled the death of PR24s.

Police officers are not taught to shoot at limbs, only center mass or failure drills. A big healthy football player hopped up on at the very least adrenaline, might have taken all those rounds and continued to stand. Standing is still resisting. Further, officers aren’t trained to kill, they are trained to shoot in areas that will bring the quickest incapacitation. If they were shooting to kill, then a 7.62 rifle would be the standard issue for each officer. Pistol rounds are a poor substitute and only ten percent of all victims of pistol caliber wounds die as a result of their injuries.


38 posted on 09/16/2013 7:05:38 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: redreno

There are plenty of bad cops, but a single car wreck in middle of night is odd. I suspect he was high on drugs.

Why didn’t he call 911 on his own phone? High on drug and avoiding cops?

Then, 3 cops were responding to a reported breaking and entering in the middle of the night and they come upon a very large black guy charging them. I think I would shoot too.

There were 3 cops. If the one was out to kill a black dude, he probably wouldn’t have done it in front of witnesses.


39 posted on 09/16/2013 7:43:56 PM PDT by Captain Steve
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To: Zhang Fei

One bullet in the leg would stop him.


40 posted on 09/16/2013 8:24:33 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (Seen any scandal headlines lately?)
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To: redreno

Given the recent nationwide rash of assaults and murders of whites by black youths, anyone employing deadly force on an approaching black youth is responding reasonably.

A reasonable jury will acquit the officers of all charges, simply based on the overwhelming evidence of these recent assaults and murders by black youths playing this knock-out game.

Thus should it be for the next century or so.


41 posted on 09/16/2013 8:33:51 PM PDT by meadsjn
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Besides, there's a 96% chance that the dead assailant voted for Obama.
42 posted on 09/16/2013 8:41:26 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: PLMerite

Ten hits? How many of them were after he was down?


I was just thinking, “Wow, a cop that can shoot worth a darn”. Then find out he didn’t have the smarts to be trusted with a loaded gun.


43 posted on 09/16/2013 9:20:05 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Why do they always pop off so many caps? People we trust to be police officers need to have better judgment and less fear.


44 posted on 09/16/2013 10:15:44 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Captain Steve

Why didn’t he call 911 on his own phone? High on drug and avoiding cops?
Then, 3 cops were responding to a reported breaking and entering in the middle of the night...
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From earlier postings on Monday, the guy did nothing but knock on a door after having an auto accident and the hysterical (idiot) woman inside called 911 saying something like a person was breaking into her house.

The guy was most likely just wanting someone to call the PD because he’d just had an accident.

Many other FReepers to earlier postings stated they didn’t have a cell phone. I’ve never had one and never will.


45 posted on 09/17/2013 2:49:21 AM PDT by octex
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To: octex
My thoughts are he was probably trotting towards the police, not "lunging" or "running at" the cops. He thought he was going to get help and was killed instead.

The number of cop apologists on this thread is simply appalling. If this guy was such a threat why is it that out of the several cops there the shooter was the only one to fire? Seems to me the other cops didn't think the vic was much of a threat. BTW, I never carry a cell phone either. Maybe I should start if I want to live if I happen to have a traffic accident.

46 posted on 09/18/2013 5:12:13 AM PDT by calex59
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