That was the logic behind hanging horse thieves. The regular and judicious use of the contraption shown below transformed Ft. Smith from a lawless frontier town into a nice town of church goers in less than a generation:
Posted on 09/16/2013 6:10:01 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
Kentucky U.S. Senator Rand Paul told community leaders in West Louisville on Monday that he will be stepping his call for federal reforms to criminal sentencing and pledging to support a state effort to restore felon voting rights.
Paul has been talking about the concept of reforms to mandatory minimums for several months, saying someone should not have to lose their rights for life for a youthful mistake.
But while appearing at a town-hall-like event at the Plymouth Community Renewal Center in West Louisville, Paul added a new layer to his argument saying that felon voting rights should be restored.
“As part of that, I’m also going to be introducing something to restore voting rights for people who were convicted of felonies but have not been convicted again for 5 years,” Paul said.
However, Kentucky would need to have it’s own voting restoration legislation, something that some lawmakers, led by Louisville and Lexington House and Senate Democrats, have tried unsuccessfully to pass in previous sessions
Paul said he’s going to do what it takes to speak to state Senate Republican leaders.
Paul also talked with west Louisville residents about tax problems including tax liens and economic freedom zones in which taxes would be lowered to try to encourage business in the area.
(With video by Nick Storm)
(Excerpt) Read more at mycn2.com ...
Not sure all of what would be called felonies, one probably shouldn’t have to give up voting rights for something like a car theft. Armed Robbery I’m not sure about.
If a young person attempts a robbery, and suffers acute catastrophic failure of the victim selection process (and picks a CCW holder, for example) then said young person could lose their entire future, not just their voting rights in that future, from such a youthful mistake.
By Paul’s logic, we should disarm everyone. Not how I roll, but that is where the logic leads.
In Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and California there are a lot of places where if you steal a fellow’s car, you have given them a death sentence.
I would say that stealing a car should be a felony, and a shooting offense. Disagree with that if you want.
In a perfect world there would be no crime. In a close approach to that perfect world a perpetrator would be suddenly shot just before he could commit a crime.
“By Paul’s logic, we should disarm everyone”
WTF? That’s what you got out of the article?
This is a local issue in KY. They can do whatever they want.
Is this the time, really, for taking a hike down a rabbit hole, over some felon’s voting rights? Sheesh.
14 days before capitalism gets collapsed by obamacare, and Rand reaches for dust particles in a sun stream. Focus, Rand, FOCUS.
If you served your time then you should be able to vote and buy a gun.
Rand Paul’s immigration speech
03.19.13 | Hon Sen Rand Paul (KY)
Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2998395/posts
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.
Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.
Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.
Let’s start that conversation by acknowledging we aren’t going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.
If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...
This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.
Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[but he’s not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt’s Generals:
‘How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?’
Foreign Policy | 15 Aug 2013 | John Hudson
Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3055253/posts
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt’s military — even as Cairo’s security forces massacre anti-government activists.
[by “anti-government activists” is meant church-burning jihadists]
Here's the passage at issue:In the 1980s, the war caucus in Congress armed bin Laden and the mujaheddin in their fight with the Soviet Union. In fact, it was the official position of the State Department to support radical jihad against the Soviets. We all know how well that worked out.Let's leave aside for now the insulting, utterly asinine, sickening, inexcusable use of the phrase "war caucus" to describe those (including Reagan!) who supported the mujaheddin against the Soviets. That word choice alone is almost entirely disqualifying for its purveyor to ever be president.
Instead, let's just look at a little history here -- because the ignorance evident in this paragraph is truly astonishing. One would be hard pressed to find even a single historian, whether right, left, or center, who would argue anything other than that the Soviet failure in Afghanistan was not just a huge factor, but probably an essential one, in the Soviets' ultimate loss of the Cold War. [Rand Paul’s Really Ignorant Paragraph | 7 Feb 2013]
I’m a former felon (failure to appear) and I’m a Goldwater/Reagan Guerrilla free marketeer. In Michigan you regain the vote as long as you aren’t incarcerated on parole or probation.
Frankly I think the fantasy that people sit in prison and dream about the day they get to vote makes global warming seem sane in comparison.
I wasn’t interested in voting till I settled my life and chose to be a responsible person. At the end of the day its up to the states. I do think the idea of some states letting prison inmates vote is idiotic. Inmates will vote just for a change of pace and they’ll vote for whoever promises them the most.
Youthful mistakes like, oh, wilding, arson, vandalism during participation in a riot, burglary, armed robbery... I mean, really, who among us hasn’t done those things?!? /s
This will help democrat control, it returns the vote to liberal/libertarian voting felons.
And how about spamming threads with off-topic BS? That should be a felony too /s
And how about spamming threads with off-topic BS? That should be a felony too /s
While I can’t stand Paul the Libertarian ... I don’t like non-violent felons (for the most part) not being able to vote. Of course it’s more complicated than that, but all felons are NOT created equal, which is why Sentencing Guidelines are such a tragedy.
Why is Rand even messing with this?
I agree.
Merle Haggard
It is way past the time to reconsider what crimes deserve incarceration and for how long. The primary factor is justice, but a strong secondary factor is the sheer cost both in capital for prison, and the ongoing costs to the state for staff and the O & M of the prison. Then there is the lost wages of the criminal.
For convicts who have served their full sentences and made any required restitution, If we don’t let them rejoin society with no attached stigma doesn’t it reduce the liklyhood that they will be able to transition into productive, contributing law abiding citizens?
Just asking.
i thought that was what obama has been doing to us
I would say that stealing a car should be a felony, and a shooting offense. Disagree with that if you want.
No disagreement here!
Sen. Paul is making it much easier for me to vote for Ted Cruz, if he decides to run in 2016.
Cruz will probably give a speech tomorrow in favor of the same position. He’s been following on Rand’s footsteps since he got to the senate.
“convicted of felonies but have not been convicted again for 5 years”
That’s the way it is here in Texas. They can also have a gun
in their home or stationary place of business. I don’t see
anyone being disarmed here.
It must be up to the States and that is where it should be decided as the Pauls would naturally support. In this, not sure why Senator Rand is speaking about it, I’ll reread the article. Thank you for your response.
Okay, per my previous post, he’s speaking about legislation in Kentucky. That’s the level of government where this decision-making should be dealt with.
“Youthful mistakes like, oh, wilding, arson, vandalism during participation in a riot, burglary, armed robbery... I mean, really, who among us hasn’t done those things?!? /s”
You forgot “nonviolent and or victimless crimes”.
Smearing Rand Paul Alert?
Keep in mind that cutting off a shotgun barrel 1/2” too short is a felony, as are many drug offenses.
The focus should also be on making fewer crimes felonies to start with. But this is a good start.
Looks like it’s an issue at the State level. He is serving his constituency. I would think that would be the duty of a U.S. Senator to address issues in his home state ever so often.
Ah, an excellent plan! Every county with a state prison located in it will now have the luxury of a county sheriff and judges elected at least in part by convicted felons. How pleasant.
“Why is Rand even messing with this?”
I dunno. Maybe because it’s the right thing to do?
“Focus, Rand, Focus”
Thank you for that. Rand must be a complete flake.
“Armed Robbery I’m not sure about.”
That’s the thing I don’t understand. If these crimes are so grave and we’re so concerned that we can’t let these felons vote or own a gun, then why are they out of prison in the first place? Or better, why weren’t they swinging at the end of a rope?
You do have a point, and I was hasty with the headline.
With 14, 13, days to go, our voices need to be well placed toward heading off a national disaster.
Even if it means avoiding town hall meetings on pot holes, taxation and felons voting privileges. Just sayin’.
Perhaps he could mess with the pot hole issues and felon privileges some other time, like after the coming collapse on October 1st. Just my two cents.
Depends on the crime and depends on the felon’s record of conduct while incarcerated and/or on parole.
In general, I think giving a non-violent felon no prospect for a job and no change to gain full citizenship rights again is a bad idea.
change = chance
Rand, ol' buddy...
This is what the DEMS are saying.
Sheesh!
Oh, and adios. Ya once nearly had me, but now ya totally lost me.
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If Rand read up on voter fraud, he’d realize he’s wasting his time, as felon voting is already de facto, at least in Democrat precincts....
In Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and California there are a lot of places where if you steal a fellow’s car, you have given them a death sentence.
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In the old west, stealing horses would get you hanged. Not too many horse thieves back then.
That was the logic behind hanging horse thieves. The regular and judicious use of the contraption shown below transformed Ft. Smith from a lawless frontier town into a nice town of church goers in less than a generation:
Yep.
“If you served your time then you should be able to vote and buy a gun.”
Some crimes are serving notice to productive citizens that you have no role in a civilized society; I’d rather they did neither.
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