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Suspected U.S. shooter had 'secret' clearance, employer says
Yahoo.com ^ | 9-16-2013 | Reuters - Phil Stewart

Posted on 09/16/2013 6:51:47 PM PDT by servo1969

Aaron Alexis, the 34-year-old suspect in Monday's shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard, had "secret" clearance and was assigned to start working there as a civilian contractor with a military-issued ID card, his firm's CEO told Reuters.

"He did have a secret clearance. And he did have a CAC (common access card)," said Thomas Hoshko, CEO of "The Experts," which was helping service the Navy, Marine Corps intranet as a subcontractor for a Hewlett-Packard Enterprise Services contract.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aaronalexis; alexis; nationalsecurity; nationalsecurityfail; navyyard; navyyardshooting; navyyardshootings; obama; secondamendment; secret; secretclearance; tyranny; washingtonnavyyard
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But, surely, taking my guns away would have prevented this tragedy. /s
1 posted on 09/16/2013 6:51:47 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

SECRET clearance, CAC card. Sure. Why not?


2 posted on 09/16/2013 6:52:58 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: servo1969

Who doesn’t these days?


3 posted on 09/16/2013 6:54:28 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: servo1969

no one thought to check his criminal record?..

I guess that would have been seen as RACIST!

such a world...


4 posted on 09/16/2013 6:56:46 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: servo1969

I can remember when the kind of mental instability involved with the two gun incidents on his record would have disallowed him for a secret clearance.

The problem now seems to be that our intelligence agencies are no longer working for our country. In fact, they seem to be working against it.


5 posted on 09/16/2013 6:57:32 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: servo1969

Another failure of the Napolitano led DHS.


6 posted on 09/16/2013 6:58:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: servo1969

Wait until the Obamacare (aka Boehnercare) Navigators are unleashed and have access to records. The Federal government does few things well, and a lot of things BAD.


7 posted on 09/16/2013 6:59:49 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: servo1969

A secret clearance with a general discharge. I would not have guessed that to be possible.


8 posted on 09/16/2013 7:00:26 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: servo1969; a fool in paradise

But, but, but... NSA has pervented two dozen terrorist attacks, doncha know?!


9 posted on 09/16/2013 7:01:04 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: LucyT; maggief; penelopesire

“He did have a secret clearance. And he did have a CAC (common access card),” said Thomas Hoshko, CEO of “The Experts,” which was helping service the Navy, Marine Corps intranet as a subcontractor for a Hewlett-Packard Enterprise Services contract.


10 posted on 09/16/2013 7:02:39 PM PDT by thouworm (A lawless oligarchy has replaced our Constitution-based govt. Their motto: Catch us if you can.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The US government can’t screen out a psycho with anger issues and a history of gun related arrests but his past is uncovered in a couple of hours by those on the internet. Government = incompetence.


11 posted on 09/16/2013 7:02:57 PM PDT by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: Iron Munro

Well think of all those Tea Party attacks they stopped. /s


12 posted on 09/16/2013 7:04:08 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Steely Tom; servo1969

We seem to have both a contractor and uniformed services problem.


13 posted on 09/16/2013 7:07:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: littleharbour

It’s like almost to laugh at the idea that government is spying on the whole country. Yes, like Inspector Clouseau they are spying!


14 posted on 09/16/2013 7:08:37 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: kristinn; penelopesire; maggief; Dog; onyx; AliVeritas

This is unbelievable.

I’m speechless.


15 posted on 09/16/2013 7:08:58 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Cicero

I was in the shooting at ESL (a defense company in Sunnyvale, Ca) back in 1989. The shooter, Richard Farley, had a top secret clearance. I know he had been fired from the company for stalking one of the employees, but I don’t know if his clearance was taken away or not.

Clearances don’t give you that much information on people.

It’s just really bad if you’ve gone bankrupt!!


16 posted on 09/16/2013 7:09:16 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: servo1969

His past of shooting out tires on cars would keep him from a T/S clearance.


17 posted on 09/16/2013 7:10:20 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: littleharbour

Any truth to the rumor that she shouted “Namu Amida Butsu” during the shooting?


18 posted on 09/16/2013 7:10:42 PM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy was “less than honorably discharged”...and YET he got a security clearance.

WTH is WRONG with our country?????????????

Greta and Jennifer Griffin discussing this now.


19 posted on 09/16/2013 7:11:26 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This guy was “less than honorably discharged”...and YET he got a security clearance.

WTH is WRONG with our country?????????????

Greta and Jennifer Griffin discussing this now.


20 posted on 09/16/2013 7:11:37 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

he had a little secret and he kept it, i guess that was good enough!


21 posted on 09/16/2013 7:12:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: SE Mom

Someone said it was a General Discharge. Aren’t there more than one kind of those, IIRC?


22 posted on 09/16/2013 7:13:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: servo1969
(I like the fact that Bradley girly Manning had access to every government document to leave the country in the past 5 years. He was, after all, an army Private.)
23 posted on 09/16/2013 7:13:47 PM PDT by golux
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To: servo1969

Also if they had bothered to check his ID they would have seen that the name on the ID didnt match the face but of course as we all know asking for ID is racist but hey what isnt racist these days


24 posted on 09/16/2013 7:13:47 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SE Mom

CIA BS is my guess.


25 posted on 09/16/2013 7:14:11 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Vehmgericht

26 posted on 09/16/2013 7:14:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: servo1969

How many Americans did he KILL before this?

How much sabotage?

No one in authority seems to care. Ever.


27 posted on 09/16/2013 7:14:56 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: servo1969

Amazing. What I don’t understand, if he had all these things, is why he had to steal somebody else’s ID to enter.

Unless possibly the other ID was for a second man who entered with him. There must be some video or something that shows this second person, because they even released a fairly good description of him.

None of this makes any sense.


28 posted on 09/16/2013 7:15:04 PM PDT by livius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think so- but this was a “less than honorable”...though Griffin said dishonorable discharge.


29 posted on 09/16/2013 7:15:10 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

Obama “If a had a son he’s look just like Aaron Alexis”


30 posted on 09/16/2013 7:15:41 PM PDT by Rodm
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To: Sarah Barracuda

This makes it sound as of he did actually have his own ID.


31 posted on 09/16/2013 7:16:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: servo1969
the experts?
32 posted on 09/16/2013 7:17:33 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: servo1969

SSDD Hasan came in with Obama.

How was THIS traitor protected?

Why will there NEVER be accountability?


33 posted on 09/16/2013 7:20:22 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: servo1969

I just got a Half Staff notification.
“As a mark of respect for the victims of the senseless acts of violence perpetrated on September 16, 2013, at the Washington Navy Yard, by the authority vested in me as President of the United States by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby order that the flag of the United States shall be flown at half-staff at the White House and upon all public buildings and grounds, at all military posts and naval stations, and on all naval vessels of the Federal Government in the District of Columbia and throughout the United States and its Territories and possessions until sunset, September 20, 2013.”

Do we know yet if it was a senseless act? Seems to me that it was planned out with a definite sense of purpose.


34 posted on 09/16/2013 7:20:44 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: servo1969
(I like the fact that Bradley girly Manning had access to every government document to leave the country in the past 5 years. He was, after all, an army Private.)
35 posted on 09/16/2013 7:20:57 PM PDT by golux
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To: livius

No, it doesn’t make any sense.

If he did this out of anger at the Navy authorities for discharging him, or out of some other kind of resentment—as he seems to have done with the tire shooting and the ceiling shooting—then why would he have an accomplice?

Of course, they could have been mistaken about that, as they seem to have been mistaken about just about everything else.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 7:21:07 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SE Mom

Entry level separation (ELS): uncharacterized[edit source]

Entry level separations, or uncharacterized discharge, are given to individuals who separate prior to completing 180 days of military service, or when discharge action was initiated prior to 180 days of service. This type of discharge does not attempt to characterize service as good or bad.

World War I poster depicting a soldier holding his honorable discharge.
Honorable[edit source]

To receive an honorable discharge, a service member must have received a rating from good to excellent for his or her service. Service members who meet or exceed the required standards of duty performance and personal conduct, and who complete their tours of duty, normally receive honorable discharges. However, one need not complete a term of service to receive an honorable discharge, provided the reason for involuntary discharge is not due to misconduct. For instance, service members rendered physically or psychologically incapable of performing assigned duties normally have their service characterized as honorable, regardless of whether they incurred the condition or disability in the line of duty, provided they otherwise met or exceeded standards. Similarly, service members selected for involuntary discharge due to a Reduction in Force (RIF) typically receive an honorable discharge, assuming their conduct while on active duty met or exceeded standards.

An honorable discharge can, on rare occasions, be granted to a former service member (whose service was characterized as less than honorable) as an act of clemency, should that person display exemplary post-service conduct and show evidence of outstanding post-service achievement in areas such as education and employment.[citation needed]

United States Marines must have a proficiency and conduct rating of 3.0/4.0 or higher to receive an honorable discharge.[6]

General[edit source]

General discharges are given to service members whose performance is satisfactory but is marked by a considerable departure in duty performance and conduct expected of military members. Reasons for such a characterization of service vary, from medical discharges to misconduct, and are utilized by the unit commander as a means to correct unacceptable behavior prior to initiating discharge action (unless the reason is drug abuse, in which case discharge is mandatory). A commander must disclose the reasons for the discharge action in writing to the service member, and must explain reasons for recommending the service be characterized as General (Under Honorable Conditions). The service member is normally required to sign a statement acknowledging receipt and understanding of the notification of pending discharge memorandum. The person is also advised of the right to seek counsel and present supporting statements.

In addition, service members are required to sign documents acknowledging that “substantial prejudice in civilian life” may be encountered under a general discharge.[7] A general discharge may preclude a veteran’s participation in the GI Bill, service on veterans’ commissions, and other programs for which an honorable discharge is required, but is eligible for VA disability and most other benefits.[8] Illinois prohibits discrimination against a veteran from housing or employment on the basis of unfavorable discharge from military service per the Human Rights Act of 1970;[9] this protection does not apply to dishonorably discharged veterans, as shown below.

Other Than Honorable (OTH)[edit source]

An OTH is the most severe form of administrative discharge. This type of discharge represents a departure from the conduct and performance expected of all military members. OTH discharges are typically given to service members convicted by a civilian court in which a sentence of confinement has been adjudged or in which the conduct leading to the conviction brings discredit upon the service. It can also be given as the result of certain civil hearings, e.g. divorce for adultery. OTH discharges can be accepted in-lieu of court-martial proceedings at the service-member’s request; persons facing OTH are guaranteed, by the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the right to have their discharge heard by an administrative discharge board, which is similar to a court-martial but is not a public forum.

Recipients of OTH discharges are barred from reenlisting into any component of the Armed Forces (including the reserves), and are normally barred from joining the Army National Guard or Air National Guard.

Clemency Discharge[edit source]

Clemency Discharge established by Presidential Proclamation 4313
By Presidential Proclamation 4313,[10] President Ford created a procedure for those military personnel who resisted against the Vietnam War to receive a Presidential Pardon and have their punitive discharges changed to a Clemency Discharge. It also provided a path for those who left the country to return. If the military personnel fulfilled certain requirements of alternative service, they would also receive a Certificate of Completion from the Selective Service System.

Punitive[edit source]

Bad Conduct (BCD)[edit source]

A Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) can only be given by a court-martial (either Special or General) as punishment to an enlisted service-member. Bad conduct discharges are often preceded by a period of confinement in a military prison. The discharge itself is not executed until completion of both confinement and the appellate review process.

Virtually all veterans’ benefits are forfeited by a Bad Conduct Discharge; BCD recipients are not eligible for VA disability compensation in accordance with 38 CFR 3.12.

Dishonorable[edit source]

A dishonorable discharge (DD) can only be handed down to an enlisted member by a general court-martial. Dishonorable discharges are handed down for what the military considers the most reprehensible conduct. This type of discharge may be rendered only by conviction at a general court-martial for serious offenses (e.g., desertion, sexual assault, murder, etc.) that call for dishonorable discharge as part of the sentence.

With this characterization of service, all veterans’ benefits are lost, regardless of any past honorable service, and this type of discharge is regarded as shameful in the military. In many states a dishonorable discharge is deemed the equivalent of a felony conviction, with attendant loss of civil rights.[11] Additionally, US federal law prohibits ownership of firearms by those who have been dishonorably discharged[12] per the Gun Control Act of 1968.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_discharge


37 posted on 09/16/2013 7:22:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I aim to raise a million plus for Gov. Palin. What'll you do?.)
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To: Cicero

Good grief..watching the presser and it would appear that lesbians now rule every ‘orifice’ of government now. WTH?


38 posted on 09/16/2013 7:23:55 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: servo1969

Does anybody in FedGov GAF about what they do?


39 posted on 09/16/2013 7:24:56 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: servo1969

Well, well—a certified, approved member of the political class.


40 posted on 09/16/2013 7:25:10 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
no one thought to check his criminal record?..

that's the job of the NSA. At least when they checked on me in the 1960's.

41 posted on 09/16/2013 7:26:34 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: servo1969

Watch this tribal bitch now about guns. Good Lord.

Hey libs, you created this product, not the gun.


42 posted on 09/16/2013 7:27:07 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for finding and posting.

So I’m thinking it was a dishonorable- maybe.


43 posted on 09/16/2013 7:28:12 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: familyop

God help us! This FBI lesbo sounds like a robot....lol...like Stepford wives..except lesbians.


44 posted on 09/16/2013 7:28:30 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

And they were of course too busy collecting every keystroke made on every computer keyboard in the entire U.S.A and beyond I guess.

Oh thats right its OBAMA’s NSA now isnt it.


45 posted on 09/16/2013 7:28:31 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: MeshugeMikey

You’re right. One hates to bring race into this, but does anyone really believe that a white guy with that kind of baggage would have been cleared?


46 posted on 09/16/2013 7:29:35 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Diogenesis

No one in authority seems to be responsible. Ever.


47 posted on 09/16/2013 7:30:37 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: penelopesire

Uhmmm...which one? They ALL sound that way. (Though you probably mean the FBI gal).


48 posted on 09/16/2013 7:31:46 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
as we all know asking for ID is racist

The fact that the guy had any ID at all should have raised a flag. Eric Holder says minorities can't get ID....

49 posted on 09/16/2013 7:31:56 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Komando is your friend.


50 posted on 09/16/2013 7:32:19 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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