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Navy Yard shooting: AR-15, back in the news -- briefly
CNN ^ | 9/17/2013 | Ben Brumfield, CNN

Posted on 09/17/2013 2:14:44 AM PDT by carriage_hill

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To: DainBramage
"he entered the ship yard with a shotgun then stole someone’s AR."

Obviously, we need to pass new laws making it illegal to shoot an armed guard amd steal his weapon..........Oh, wait.......

101 posted on 09/17/2013 5:54:55 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: reg45

Actually modding an AR to full auto or 3 shot isn’t all
that hard......if you have the parts, or can modify existing
parts with machine tools. It’s not rocket science...merely
illegal. Any competent High School shop student could do it
with a bit of coaching.


102 posted on 09/17/2013 5:58:41 AM PDT by nvscanman
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To: BigCinBigD

Exactly my thought. Unfortunately, I live behind the Blue Curtain, in the People’s Republic of New Jersey.


103 posted on 09/17/2013 5:59:20 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: Lazamataz

If that were the case, it wouldn’t be an AR-15, would it? More mistaken information (or deliberate misinformation) on the part of the press.


104 posted on 09/17/2013 6:02:10 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155 (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil. -- Thomas Paine)
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To: FatherFig1o155

Deliberate, preplanned, and purposed lying. The Media is much worse than the Soviet-Era Pravda ever hoped to be.


105 posted on 09/17/2013 6:08:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: carriage_hill

Me too.

LLS


106 posted on 09/17/2013 6:20:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: RC one

Yes but this time the truth was told before the stasi could stop it and we must fight harder than ever before if they try to ban our rights again.


107 posted on 09/17/2013 6:21:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: FatherFig1o155

IIRC... that would be a military M-4 that he stole.

We ought to have more laws against killing guards and stealing their military-issued weapons.


108 posted on 09/17/2013 6:22:46 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: xzins

They need to start Shore Patrols again and arm MP’s and act like we are at war because we are. Just look at what we did during WW II and repeat.

LLS


109 posted on 09/17/2013 6:25:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Vermont Lt

Where else would you get the news but from eye witness reports on the ground and reporting directly from the scene? I hear you but these local reports are usually the most accurate. I do not think that we know 1/10 of the truth today... but we will.


110 posted on 09/17/2013 6:31:58 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: RC one

Was it actually a sawed off shotgun (illegally modified) or just a pistol grip shotgun?


112 posted on 09/17/2013 7:00:01 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: carriage_hill
Sen. Fineswine needs to learn to do nothing and just sit there.
113 posted on 09/17/2013 7:00:20 AM PDT by JPG (Putin Does Obama.)
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To: All

You know something...The poor little AK-47 sure is getting left behind in all of this.../sarc

It’s definitely not feeling the love...


114 posted on 09/17/2013 7:05:07 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: smokingfrog

I have heard double barreled shotgun, sawed off shotgun, and Remington 870 now. The PTB are not being forthcoming with solid information, only solid misinformation. They want this to fit their narrative.


115 posted on 09/17/2013 7:07:24 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Lazamataz

If it was that easy, they need to seriously review their security protocols.


116 posted on 09/17/2013 7:36:05 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: RC one

The guy obtained the rifle, whatever it was, and handgun from some sort of LEO using a Remington 870 pump action shotgun, probably the most common shotgun in America so banning assault weapons wouldn’t have stopped him.


Just shows that shotguns must be banned too.


117 posted on 09/17/2013 7:37:47 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: carriage_hill

CNN: Washington FBI Confirms no AR-15 was used in Navy Yard Attack
Twitter ^ | Sept 17th, 2013 | Pamela Brown

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067692/posts


118 posted on 09/17/2013 7:38:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: carriage_hill
ALL US Military should be armed, at all times. Ft Hood showed us that. Look for more of these to happen.

Agreed! Military personnel, as Law Enforcement personnel, are targets once they put on the uniform. This incident would have ended quickly if just the uniformed personnel present had been armed.

119 posted on 09/17/2013 8:09:32 AM PDT by thegrump
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To: smokingfrog
If it was that easy, they need to seriously review their security protocols.

You hit the nail on the head. Most Mil and Fed facilities have a vary arcane weapon carry protocol (including war zones) and the problem is everyone knows it. This shooter, being prior Military, would certainly know it, hell our enemies know it. This carry protocol makes it a losing proposition for security personnel when a weapon ready intruder shows up at their post.

120 posted on 09/17/2013 8:38:26 AM PDT by thegrump
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To: carriage_hill

I own one of these shotguns. The layout and operating controls are indeed similar to the AR-15, with the exception of a bolt mounted operating handle on the right side, but the internal mechanics and operating system are more akin to to a Remington 1100 semi auto shotgun than an AR-15. I have two 10 round mags and two 5 round mags and the thing is as smooth as butter and really puts pellets down range FAST!!


121 posted on 09/17/2013 8:42:39 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Crim

Is that true?


122 posted on 09/17/2013 9:24:16 AM PDT by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Clint N. Suhks said: "That's a select fire 3 round burst if you ask me ..."

I've never fired a rifle with 3-round burst capability, but I doubt that it would be described as "pop, pop, pop".

I would expect that the firing rate of the three rounds would match that of the firing rate of an early M-16 on full auto, which is 600 rounds per minute or ten rounds per second. You would have to say, "pop, pop, pop" pretty quickly to say it in one-third of a second.

123 posted on 09/17/2013 9:31:44 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: a fool in paradise

Yikes; that’s gonna PO the gun grabbers.


124 posted on 09/17/2013 11:18:17 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: DMZFrank

Sweet piece of hardware.


125 posted on 09/17/2013 11:26:54 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: thegrump

“This incident would have ended quickly if just the uniformed personnel present had been armed.”
Or more likely would have never occurred. A gun free zone is the bullseye that these nut jobs aim for. Crime is where gun ownership is suppressed. Oh Chicago, DC,New Yowk,how stoopid are your ways.


126 posted on 09/17/2013 11:59:48 AM PDT by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Admin Moderator

The AR-15 article I posted this morning had a different headline than what’s up there now; it was time-stamped at 3:29am; now it’s time-stamped at 8:59am, and CNN changed it.

I didn’t change the original headline I posted, or modify it.

I didn’t save the original article, but I simply cut & pasted the headline from CNN’s site at 5:14am. I had no idea that CNN would change it.

Had I known this would be an issue, I would have readily saved a copy to prove what was originally written.

In fact, the whole article has changed significantly, and is much larger/longer/different than it was at 5:14am, when I posted what was there.

Even the last line in the original article, which I “snipped” and pasted directly, is now gone.

It seems that since the news broke this morning, from the FBI, that an AR-15 wasn’t used in the Navy Yard shooting, CNN’s changed the article’s original anti-AR-15 slant.

I have been away since 8:45am this morning, and just getting back at 1:30pm to join the Rush thread, is when I learned of your admonishment to me, and that the original CNN article had be changed and re-time-stamped.

I’m not a writer or editor, so I don’t make things up.

I knew the rules here when I opened an account on 3/2/12, and would not abrogate them, and write headlines or body copy, on my own.

I’m sorry that this has caused problems on this FR thread. But CNN made the changes; I didn’t.


127 posted on 09/17/2013 1:34:26 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill; Admin Moderator

Ad Mod......did that clear that up ...cause you did not respond .....and the poster’s answer was ACCURATE to your request


128 posted on 09/17/2013 1:47:11 PM PDT by advertising guy ( Congress should not be afraid of Rush Limbaugh, Congress should be petrified of God)
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To: carriage_hill; Admin Moderator
It seems that since the news broke this morning, from the FBI, that an AR-15 wasn’t used in the Navy Yard shooting, CNN’s changed the article’s original anti-AR-15 slant.

That seems more credible than c_h changing the original title. c_h is honest as the day is long, CNN isn't. What you have here is FR has yet again found bias in the media, AM you should delete your admonishment post and celebrate that fact IMHO.

129 posted on 09/17/2013 2:01:55 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks; carriage_hill; advertising guy

I’m late to the party, but it appears the STASI strikes again!!/s


130 posted on 09/17/2013 2:26:55 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: thegrump

Who knows if they’re even allowed to keep their weapons loaded when on duty. Did this guy have the time and opportunity to case the joint and find their weaknesses, or did he just get ‘lucky?’ That’s what I’d like to know.


131 posted on 09/17/2013 2:37:37 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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The current version:

CLICK

[F]ederal law enforcement sources told CNN Tuesday that authorities have recovered three
weapons from the scene of the mass shooting, including one — a shotgun — that investigators
believe [shooter Aaron] Alexis brought in to the compound. The other two weapons, which sources
say were handguns, may have been taken from guards at the Navy complex.

The sources, who have detailed knowledge of the investigation, cautioned that initial
information that an AR-15 was used in the shootings may have been incorrect. It is believed
that Alexis had rented an AR-15, but returned it before Monday morning’s shootings. Authorities
are still investigating precisely how many weapons Alexis had access to and when.

132 posted on 09/17/2013 2:38:16 PM PDT by deport
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To: Admin Moderator
It looks the same to me.

Navy Yard shooting: AR-15, back in the news -- briefly

133 posted on 09/17/2013 2:45:31 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Admin Moderator

cat got your tongue ?


134 posted on 09/17/2013 4:28:44 PM PDT by advertising guy ( Congress should not be afraid of Rush Limbaugh, Congress should be petrified of God)
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To: Admin Moderator
"Navy Yard shooting: AR-15, the weapon of choice -- again."

Here is the CNN article's original title, still time stamped at 8:36am, before they rewrote it at 8:59am.

Original Article & Headline.

Here's the CNN article's author's (Ben Brumfield, CNN) page, using the original title & article I posted, referring to "16 hours ago", which would put it around 3:30am.

When I posted at 5:14am, the article was time stamped 3:29am. Still showing "Updated (rewritten) 8:59am".

The author's site with original headline I posted

FYI (For Your Information)

Again, sorry that CNN's both jumped the shark and screwed the pooch, by scrubbing the title and body copy, including my < SNIP> at end, which was last sentence in article.

We're still looking thru Google and other archives to find the entire original article, which is probably sasnitized.

Scout's Honor:

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135 posted on 09/17/2013 5:32:30 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

My sincerest apologies. You were absolutely correct.


136 posted on 09/17/2013 6:03:56 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you; I appreciate your magnanimous attitude in saying that.


137 posted on 09/17/2013 6:44:49 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067692/posts

CNN: Washington FBI Confirms no AR-15 was used in Navy Yard Attack

Twitter ^ | Sept 17th, 2013 | Pamela Brown

Posted on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 7:07:53 AM by Perdogg

FBI Washington field office just confirmed gunman was NOT armed with AR15. Spokesperson says 1 shotgun and 2 pistols recovered— Pamela Brown (@PamelaBrownCNN) September 17, 2013


138 posted on 09/18/2013 7:37:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: Grampa Dave

When I read that CNN article early in the morning yesterday, it was an anti-AR15 diatribe; they had to eat crap and rewrite the entire article/headline after the FBI announced the truth. Typical lib-dem gun-grabber scumbags. Wish I’d saved a copy of it; it was nasty.


139 posted on 09/18/2013 9:41:11 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Next, we may find out this left wing serial killer was killed by an AR15.


140 posted on 09/18/2013 12:19:35 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: carriage_hill

No sweat. I screw up, too. ;-)


141 posted on 09/18/2013 12:21:04 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Grampa Dave

Imagine that!


142 posted on 09/18/2013 12:28:45 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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