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Navy Yard shooting: AR-15, back in the news -- briefly
CNN ^ | 9/17/2013 | Ben Brumfield, CNN

Posted on 09/17/2013 2:14:44 AM PDT by carriage_hill

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To: Terry L Smith

He snuck in a shotgun.... well, more precisely, blasted his way in with a shotgun. He shot a security guard at a checkpoint, took the pistol, then shot a DC cop who responded, taking his AR-15 or M4.


51 posted on 09/17/2013 3:55:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: carriage_hill
He was a CCW holder, and military contractor. The fact that he was African American is a bonus (so they can’t be viewed as anti white).

And prices were just coming down.

52 posted on 09/17/2013 3:56:37 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lazamataz

My thoughts, too.

He went there carrying only Jokin’ Joe Biden’s weapon of choice.

Way to go, Joe!


53 posted on 09/17/2013 4:00:41 AM PDT by Salamander (Blue Oyster Cult Will Be The Soundtrack For The Revolution.....)
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To: Lazamataz

Conspiracy theory..
“The gubmint is behind these shootings and needed ANOTHER crisis to keep the heat off odumbo’s antics. Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

That should get things started again.


54 posted on 09/17/2013 4:01:28 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Big Giant Head

They’re gutting and hollowing-out the Military now, so disarming is just a formality for the UN to do under that Small Arms Treaty, which 0bummer’ll sign.


55 posted on 09/17/2013 4:01:31 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: RC one
The three-round bursts make it sound like he had an M4/M16, which he couldn't possibly have bought at WalMart.

Diane Feinstein and the gun grabbing media are going waaaaaaay out on a very high limb with a big crack. Are they actually arguing that police and MPs shouldn't be issued semi-automatic pistols and automatic rifles?

56 posted on 09/17/2013 4:02:27 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Big Giant Head

Wanted to add something.

This article barely mentions the Navy Yard shooting. It was clearly prewritten and put on the shelf for use in the next mass-shooting that involved an AR-15.

Someone at CNN really screwed up by letting it loose in a shooting where the gunman started with a shotgun and the AR-15 involved was a serviceweapon picked up off a cop killed ... with the shotgun.


57 posted on 09/17/2013 4:03:57 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Terry L Smith

There’s a LOT we don’t know and probably will never know, about this.


58 posted on 09/17/2013 4:04:20 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Lazamataz

That’s what I thought....LOL

I’m going to start traveling around Feb/Mar.

I’ll ping you and we can go to a nice restaurant down by the big chicken.


59 posted on 09/17/2013 4:04:33 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: muir_redwoods

ALL US Military should be armed, at all times. Ft Hood showed us that. Look for more of these to happen.


60 posted on 09/17/2013 4:07:07 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Vendome

Nice. :)


61 posted on 09/17/2013 4:07:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Sooth2222
Diane Feinstein and the gun grabbing media are going waaaaaaay out on a very high limb with a big crack. Are they actually arguing that police and MPs shouldn't be issued semi-automatic pistols and automatic rifles?

True on the first part, but not so much on the second. The information that the gunman only had a shotgun and the AR-15 and handgun were pickups is already out there. No way to put the genie back in the bottle.

NRA is going to hit DiFi and the other gun-grabbers in the press and political class HARD on that.
62 posted on 09/17/2013 4:07:42 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: carriage_hill

Our only response anytime a columnist or politician calls for an assault weapons ban, (or whatever gun control flavor of the week they are pushing,) should be to post a picture of the two Colorado state senators that were defeated in last weeks recall... Just post the pictures, say nothing else, a picture is more powerful than words.


63 posted on 09/17/2013 4:08:42 AM PDT by apillar
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To: redgolum

There should be enough AR-15s in the pipeline that it shouldn’t repeat what happened after Sandy Hook. I hope. My FFL isn’t that optimistic. I’ll see later this morning.


64 posted on 09/17/2013 4:09:04 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Progov
Tell you the truth -- while Sandy Hook occurred at JUST TOO CONVENIENT A TIME for OTrauma -- this event does NOT fit the narrative. The shooter is black. He picked up an AR-15 and a pistol from downed guards. Not in the narrative they desired AT ALL.

So, I reject the notion that this one was conspiratorial. Sandy Hook, on the other hand....

65 posted on 09/17/2013 4:10:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: apillar

(((chuckle)))

That’d work.


66 posted on 09/17/2013 4:10:42 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

I read one report that it was a three round burst model. IF this is true, then this was not an AR15 but a US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT M4 or M16A2 modified for three round burst fire... as most all Military and Federal agency Stoner weapons are modified to operate. Makes one say hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!


67 posted on 09/17/2013 4:17:27 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: carriage_hill

I am surprised it took this long.


68 posted on 09/17/2013 4:18:30 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife

Lib-dem a-hole Bob Schrum was Tweeting yesterday, before the blood had even dried, about the need for more gun control. I don’t Tweet, but I read it here on FR in a thread.


69 posted on 09/17/2013 4:20:39 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: RC one

M16A2 or M4 modified like almost every model the Fed owns... for three round burst. It has been reported on fox via another FReeper that this “AR15” was so modified. That means it was not an AR15.


70 posted on 09/17/2013 4:20:43 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Big Giant Head

So, time to disarm the military
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Been that way for a LONG while. Once inside the gate loaded weapons are taboo - unless, of course, on the range.

Only weapons/ammo with Base Police (SP/MP/AP) and most gates have GSA types or contractors guarding them.

The official ‘no weapons/ammo’ on base can be ‘noticed’ back to at least Pearl Harbor - when they had problem getting an armorer to open the LOCKED weapon/ammo lockers.

Even now, going back at least to Clinton, troops in the field get ‘disarmed’ when the brass shows up. Maybe that was going on ‘forever’ but only recently ‘publicized’.

Remember when EVERYTHING bigger than a ‘Red Ryder’ was considered an UZI, now the idiots name of choice is AR-15.


71 posted on 09/17/2013 4:22:34 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Egoist:A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. (Ambrose Bierce))
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To: carriage_hill

No, he is praying for it as are all gun dealers... when they fondly look back to post sandy hook and a 3 year backorder on AR’s and ammo. Sales were slooooooowing down badly.


72 posted on 09/17/2013 4:22:50 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I suspect it was an M4 or M16, taken from one of the guards or LEO, and not an AR-15. Same with 9mm semi-auto pistol. I read he only had a 12ga to start with but ‘gathered’ more weapons along the way, as he killed others. But that doesn’t fit the libs’ agenda. They want it to be an AR-15.


73 posted on 09/17/2013 4:23:22 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Do they have the AR15 on military bases? I thought the AR15 is the civilian version of the M16.


74 posted on 09/17/2013 4:27:24 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: jughandle

Not having any military background, I don’t know for sure. I do know some LEOs carry semi-auto AR-15s, around here, but I’ll defer to someone with a military background for the M16 vs AR15 question.


75 posted on 09/17/2013 4:34:12 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill; Lazmataz

Laz supplied this... the proof it was a Government weapon.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/16/20522196-gunman-kills-at-least-12-at-washington-navy-yard-gathering-weapons-along-the-way?lite

LLS


76 posted on 09/17/2013 4:36:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3067616/posts


77 posted on 09/17/2013 4:37:50 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill; Lazamataz

Mispelled your name... sorry Laz.


78 posted on 09/17/2013 4:38:15 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Sooth2222
The media is working overtime to frame this in a way that supports another gun control move. Looks like we're in for another fight. If we can keep the media honest, this should be a short battle and an easy victory for us.

The guy obtained the rifle, whatever it was, and handgun from some sort of LEO using a Remington 870 pump action shotgun, probably the most common shotgun in America so banning assault weapons wouldn't have stopped him.

As far as background checks go, he wasn't a felon and he wasn't dishonorably discharged from the military so there's no disqualifier there. The shotgun was obtained legally and not through any "gun show loophole". Banning private forearms sales wouldn't have stopped him.

79 posted on 09/17/2013 4:39:34 AM PDT by RC one
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To: carriage_hill

Fact is, the killer did not bring the AR-15 into the building. He took it from a security guard in the building, along with a pistol. He entered with “only” a shot gun!!! Gun control legislation is going nowhere!!! The man was a true blue, dyed-in-the-wool Obamabot nutcase......another son of Obama!!!


80 posted on 09/17/2013 4:42:12 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Thanks; that settles it for me.


81 posted on 09/17/2013 4:44:05 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

He’s got 0bummer’s jugears, for sure.


82 posted on 09/17/2013 4:44:47 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: jughandle

Post #76... it was a military firearm, not an AR-15.


83 posted on 09/17/2013 4:46:54 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
but the media will not say the words "M sixteen" because that does not support the narrative in the least. In fact, it destroys their narrative because it confirms what we have been saying all along, GUN LAWS DON'T STOP MANIACS- GUNS STOP MANIACS.

This guy engaged in, what is known as, "butter knife warfare". You take your butter knife and walk up, all innocent and non-threatening like, to a soldier or LEO or other armed individual and kill him with it and then you take his sidearm. Then you use his sidearm to go kill someone else that has a machine gun and then you have a machine gun.

That's a narrative they don't want.

84 posted on 09/17/2013 4:48:54 AM PDT by RC one
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To: Progov
That should get things started again.

He's kinda got that conspiracy theory patsy fee about him.

85 posted on 09/17/2013 4:59:04 AM PDT by Stentor ("Liberalism seeks out the eccentric to justify control over the normal." nathanbedford)
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To: carriage_hill

The murderer did not own the AR15. He took it and the pistol from the security guards.


86 posted on 09/17/2013 5:06:29 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: Stentor

fee=feel.


87 posted on 09/17/2013 5:06:48 AM PDT by Stentor ("Liberalism seeks out the eccentric to justify control over the normal." nathanbedford)
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To: carriage_hill

Wow you’re up early.


88 posted on 09/17/2013 5:16:21 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Lazamataz

“The AR-15 and the pistol were taken from law-enforcement guards in the facility.”

If that’s the case, it was a M-4 or M-16, not an “AR-15”.

I hope someone holds the media’s feet to the fire for its inaccurate and irresponsible reporting!


89 posted on 09/17/2013 5:18:23 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: LibLieSlayer

As always, the same as at Ft Hood, military bases are weapons free zones. Shooters know that the setting is gun free, so they attack a gun free area. It makes perfect sense.

If a number of concealed carriers had been present, this would have turned out differently.

We think it odd that a military base is gun free, but it’s true. There has never been a time that I recall, going all the way back to 1970, that any gun wasn’t required to be locked up on any post I ever entered.

So, a big “Gun Free Zone...Shoot These People” sign was plastered on the naval ship yard. The same at Ft Hood. The same at the Sandy Hook Elementary.


90 posted on 09/17/2013 5:19:30 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: carriage_hill

NBC is reporting he arrived with a shotgun and took an M-16 and a 9mm from an early victim, he then used the stolen military/police-issued weapons to continue the rampage. Once again, the gun is to blame......please!


91 posted on 09/17/2013 5:20:09 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: carriage_hill

Excellent and thanks!


92 posted on 09/17/2013 5:22:24 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: carriage_hill

There will be a push for all out ban and seizure. Remember, this happened in DC. The politicians view this as “real”.


93 posted on 09/17/2013 5:23:52 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Kozak

The AK is considered a better design.


94 posted on 09/17/2013 5:26:28 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Gaffer; carriage_hill
It was probably an M-4 AR-type Carbine he hooked off the dead guard....yep, much different with auto...

Every report of the sound of gun fire I heard was described as a rapid "pop-pop-pop". That's a select fire 3 round burst if you ask me...which is NOT a civilian AR15.

95 posted on 09/17/2013 5:27:14 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: carriage_hill

Yes, but they look very similar. From a distance, only an expert can tell them apart. I certainly could not.


96 posted on 09/17/2013 5:33:31 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I was up at 4am; crap, I'm tired already. Big mistake to go to sleep right after TGO thread last nite. Dad and I are going down to FFLs to p/u rifles we dropped-off last week, and get him signed-up for CCW instruction and some range time, in next week's classes. Also need to p/u Belgard Paver samples for his new sidewalk (like your new house's), and get security co in for estimate (house across street from him was cleaned-out last week in broad daylight). 41°F here this morning and it feels like late October; people out walking dog, all bundled-up.
97 posted on 09/17/2013 5:35:28 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

We write about how the media is inaccurate, but use a media website to confirm our theories.

Not sure if my high school logic teacher would have appreciated that.


98 posted on 09/17/2013 5:42:01 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The AR-15 cannot be “modified” to do three round bursts, otherwise everyone would be doing it.


99 posted on 09/17/2013 5:45:33 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Lazamataz

I agree the Navy Yard shooting doesn’t fit the gun grabber
narrative very well. Either this guy went “off script” or
the polly’s started parroting their knee jerk gun grabbing
lines before learning just how far from the approved narrative this guy’s actions were.


100 posted on 09/17/2013 5:54:41 AM PDT by nvscanman
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