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Officials: Gunman treated for mental health issues
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Posted on 09/17/2013 5:12:46 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: Nextrush

WHAT? I heard reports earlier that he attended a Buddhist temple. Not the news reports are ever wrong....... LOL! If he attended a Buddhist temple, he sure didn’t meditate and find inner peace.


51 posted on 09/17/2013 6:02:31 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: TomGuy

“I have not heard anyone say where he resided currently.”

News reports this AM say he was staying at a Residence Inn (long term hotel) in DC. They searched it overnight.


52 posted on 09/17/2013 6:04:04 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: NautiNurse

NautiNurse is absolutely correct.

Read up, the ACLU was suing people, probably the Government for them to let the institutionalized out on the street with the ACLU claiming these people’s rights were violated. Look it up.

We get subjected to revisionist history on this as well.


53 posted on 09/17/2013 6:09:30 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: rktman

Burning incense and all that.

If Alexis went to a Buddhist Temple, he didn’t know what was going on.

Ever eat a meal with Buddhists?? A number of them eat vegetarian so that would tell you something to begin with.

The Buddhists would think, especially in South East Asia, don’t eat animals because of all that Reincarnation doctrine.

The Dalai Lama eats meat because Tibet is such a high elevation country, it’s hard to have veggies the year round.


54 posted on 09/17/2013 6:12:29 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: MichaelCorleone

He also could have just recently snapped into psychosis. Many people are somewhat normal, then t some point, are obviously schizo or whatever. I also read his clearance was revoked, which is why he (supposedly) used the ID for the 50-ish year old man to get in.


55 posted on 09/17/2013 6:13:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Sacajaweau
They’re saying he studied Buddhism....Do we really know that or is that what he told everyone.

FoxNews reports that he was a member of a Buddhist temple in the Ft. Worth area.

That, supposedly is how he became acquainted with some of the Thai 'friends' who have been interviewed by the news media since yesterday.
56 posted on 09/17/2013 6:13:28 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: BeadCounter

Hitler was a vegetarian Tojo was the grandson of a Buddhist priest or something. They are not dis-qualifiers for murderers.


57 posted on 09/17/2013 6:15:04 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: TomGuy

I’d be looking at what Drudge has up at the website now, the guy was into “violent video” games. Not saying that’s an excuse or reason but as to this conversation, probably as good of a lead as any.


58 posted on 09/17/2013 6:15:15 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: NautiNurse
Thread: Deinstitutionalization of the Mentally Ill
59 posted on 09/17/2013 6:15:44 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Perdogg
Don't worry, our govt duz a real good job on security.


60 posted on 09/17/2013 6:15:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: PghBaldy

I kind of agree with this.

Look how violent, how many war crimes the Japanese committed in World War II.

A lot of them were Buddhists and also practiced Shintoism of which I don’t know much.

Same thing for all those countries in South East Asia, Cambodia has a lot of Buddhists but they also had the Khmere Rouge there.


61 posted on 09/17/2013 6:17:41 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: Perdogg

When someone is fired, his badge has to be invalidated immediately! Pictures of suspected dangerous people have to be distributed to the guards.


62 posted on 09/17/2013 6:19:43 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: MinuteGal
Schizoid, paranoic, bi-polar (manic/depressive) often runs in families. Usually treated at home with medication

"Schizoid" means something different from what you think it does and is not "treated at home with medication". It is generally not treated at all.

63 posted on 09/17/2013 6:20:45 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: WayneS

“They “treated” him for his mental disorder alright...”


There is a good reason the Communist Manifesto demanded a more important role for the fake science of Psychiatry so as to burden society with mental misfits protected by their quack doctors.

If this man was truly hearing voices then he needed to be hospitalized right then and there not released to possibly endanger society. If, if, if, if... he was that ill as to be hearing voices then he was truly sick and was in real need of help not pseudo science.


64 posted on 09/17/2013 6:31:06 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: TomGuy
Commentator wondered how the guy managed to slip through the security background check, that the gun firing incident in Texas should have been enough to raise red flags.

Often, to fill positions, they run through a quick background check, and if you're okay, then they hire you, and perform a more complete check that could take months.

That being said, since the dude was arrested at least once in TX for discharging a weapon within city limits, and apparently had other issues as in 2004, while living in Seattle, he shot out the tires of a car parked in front of his house. This crap could have easily been verified with LE, especially during any background check.

65 posted on 09/17/2013 6:32:45 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Wurlitzer

I was referring to the fact that he ended up shot to death by the police.

;-)


66 posted on 09/17/2013 6:34:42 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: livius

the LIRR gunman years ago.
___________________________________

Colin Ferguson..

He was a black guy who murdered about 7 people..

The people in the train carriage with him were trapped and sitting ducks..

he defended himself and got to cross examine his victims who lived..

He asked one lady “do you see the man who shot you in this courtroom ??”

The poor woman screamed at him “It was you !!!”

Sick...


67 posted on 09/17/2013 6:55:31 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: PghBaldy

But I doubt Hitler was vegetarian for religious reasons, at least not the kinds of reasons Buddhists use.


68 posted on 09/17/2013 7:03:36 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: Perdogg

From the article:

“....Aaron Alexis, 34, had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal investigation in the case was continuing. The Navy had not declared him mentally unfit, which would have rescinded a security clearance that Alexis had from his earlier time in the Navy Reserves....”

The impression I am getting after reading many articles was that his clearance was never revoked following his 2011 discharge. I could be and probably am wrong. When a followup clearance was done, none of this showed & if the reasons for his 2011 discharge showed no one seemed to think it was important.


69 posted on 09/17/2013 7:10:13 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Perdogg

Aaron Alexis, the Va. Tech shooter, James Holmes, the AZ shooter, etc.- all of these men exhibited warning signs of mental illness before they went on their rampages...

I’m against restricting people’s liberty... but when an individual is essentially “controlled” by his mental illness and he is a potential threat to others, that’s a much different matter. Want to help reduce the problem? Then, it’s high time that legislators revisit civil commitment laws.


70 posted on 09/17/2013 7:11:35 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Because the Liberals closed the insane asylums back in the 1960s.”

Remember Whorealdo reporting on Willowbrook? It’s his claim to fame.

Then the baby got thrown out with the bathwater after that.


71 posted on 09/17/2013 7:21:13 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: central_va

And that is somehow Reagan’s fault? Your explanation is wanting...


72 posted on 09/17/2013 7:21:41 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Lazamataz

“So.... the mental health NICS checks are not in place, right? Because dude bought a legal shotgun.”

I know in NY everybody gets run through a NICS check before purchasing any firearm. And that was before the current foolishness passed by the state.


73 posted on 09/17/2013 7:26:11 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: BeadCounter

“Read up, the ACLU was suing people, probably the Government for them to let the institutionalized out on the street with the ACLU claiming these people’s rights were violated. Look it up.”

Also see Whorealdo Rivera and “Willowbrook” back in the 70’s. It was downhill from there.


74 posted on 09/17/2013 7:30:51 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: X-spurt

The de-institionalization of the mentally infirmed happened on his watch.


75 posted on 09/17/2013 7:31:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Perdogg

Race trumps all. Just ask Eric Holder.


76 posted on 09/17/2013 7:32:35 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: John W
many years ago-we kept our nuts locked up

The 2 biggest problems with that were and are, the Russians used it politically and here who and what decides which nuts we lock up. Therein it becomes a very slippery slope.

This sort of shooting situation points out, in bold letters, that all the citizen spying is mostly irrelevant, just another in a long line of their reach far exceeding their grasp.

77 posted on 09/17/2013 7:38:14 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: central_va

Was it some law being passed requiring POTUS signing? Or was it as many have pointed out a legal suit by the ACLU, that just happened to occur during same time-frame?

Your continuing inference is that Reagan must have single-handed issued an EO banning locking up nuts.


78 posted on 09/17/2013 7:52:43 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Perdogg

The gun ban nuts will be pressing this as yet another cause for gun control... never mind the fact current law prohibits someone with these mental issues from owning a gun in the first place. Somewhere in the existing database was a breakdown that allowed him to buy whatever gun he bought in VA. Here in this state, the purchaser must pass background checks in not only Virginia, but at the federal level too. Sounds more like a systemic flaw.


79 posted on 09/17/2013 8:00:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: central_va
I love Reagan but he was not perfect. Reagan's fault.

Nope. In the late 1970s, the ACLU and other pressure groups called for large mental health facilities to be closed, pushing the notion that "warehousing" the mentally ill was "cruel and inhumane." So the emphasis shifted from commitment to facilities to "community care and treatment." Remember all those "homeless" the libs hollered about back in the early 1980s, as they tried to tag Reagan's supply-side economics policies? Many of them were mentally ill.

80 posted on 09/17/2013 8:07:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: IYAS9YAS; TomGuy

And to think that we are worried about ANY government agency gathering information about us! Apparently they don’t know what to do with it!


81 posted on 09/17/2013 8:14:28 AM PDT by PuzzledInTX
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To: ScottinVA

Reagan actually personally ordered the deinstitucionalization of the mentally ill and the closure of the mental hospitals - to save money! - when he was governor of California. He was famously quoted as saying, during an interview in response to the question of how these people were going to survive, that they could get jobs as school playground monitors!

Reagan was great in many ways. But he was sure wrong on this issue.


82 posted on 09/17/2013 8:22:36 AM PDT by livius
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yes, that was the one , Colin ferguson. The only good thing about yesterday was at least that they managed to kill the shooter - so that his survivng victims would be spared a similar trial.


83 posted on 09/17/2013 8:28:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: Perdogg; penelopesire; hoosiermama; SE Mom; AliVeritas; thouworm; crosslink

Since August by VA ... “suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head”

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Another background investigation was re-run and cleared through the defense security service in July 2013.

http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-u-shooter-had-secret-clearance-employer-says-010927653.html


84 posted on 09/17/2013 8:36:12 AM PDT by maggief
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To: PghBaldy

I’ll offer that vegetarianism based on secular morality likely increases the odds one becomes a murderer, as there is no distinction (morally) between humans and animals. Lacking that distinction, observation (in their mind) of humans ‘murdering’ other animals could certainly flip the switch of an unstable secular vegetarian.


85 posted on 09/17/2013 8:36:31 AM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: Perdogg

If he had been a white conservative the MSM would paint him as representing everyone in the Tea Party - and they would call him a terrorist.

When the killer’s black - liberal - or Muslim - he has ‘a mental problem - or acting alone - not a terrorist - or stress caused workplace violence.

Not that the effing liberals have two standards or anything... but when was the last time a conservative was given ‘cover’ by the ‘oh so compassionate’ in the MSM?


86 posted on 09/17/2013 8:43:55 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Politicians who fear the people seek to disarm them. - - Bill St. Clair)
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To: Perdogg

Another Obama voter.


87 posted on 09/17/2013 8:46:56 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: PuzzledInTX

I posted in some of that NAS and spying threads that the collection of data would collapse upon itself, because it was too massive to be meaningful. IIRC, there is something like 1 billion emails per day and that number is expected to triple in 2 years. That doesn't even include all the daily web pages accessed or the kitty videos.
88 posted on 09/17/2013 8:57:03 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Perdogg

Guy had really severe mental problems and was hired as a contractor to start next week? Wow.


89 posted on 09/17/2013 9:01:52 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: Perdogg

The ideal candidate to be an unknowing assassin for the regime. Just like Jared Loughner was. Both were known by the military to have mental problems that could cover for targeted manipulation; both started hearing voices in their heads shortly before they attacked.

It’s tricky for the regime though, because we’ve already got laws on the books that were supposed to protect against mentally ill people having access to guns, and those laws failed in both these cases. In addition, the military was aware of the latest guy’s history and condition - and STILL not only didn’t take care of his issues but also didn’t keep their other workers safe from him.

If this guy was a Buddhist as they’re making it sound, he may well be a victim just as much as those he killed. The regime may have used him as an assassin.


90 posted on 09/17/2013 9:13:00 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Perdogg

Gun Control exponents will of course, exploit any opportunity for their aims but I don’t think this one works real well for that.


91 posted on 09/17/2013 9:38:53 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: Mouton

All news reports I’ve seen have stated he was honorably discharged.


92 posted on 09/17/2013 9:46:00 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz

That’s what they are saying TODAY being the key word here.


93 posted on 09/17/2013 10:28:36 AM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: central_va
Deinstitutionalization: A Psychiatric Titanic.

This is a scholarly publication. While it may be over your head, it discusses the impacts of mental illness and deinstitutionalization 1955-1994. The name Reagan is not found in the document.

94 posted on 09/17/2013 11:13:31 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: TomGuy
And to think that we are worried about ANY government agency gathering information about us! Apparently they don’t know what to do with it!

I work in a very large successful corporation as a data analyst (in a tax capacity). Large corporation does not mean organized corporation. Nothing can be certain when records do not jive.

Besides, we ARE talking about the government here, LOL! Besides the bureaucracy, incompetency drags down the civil service.

95 posted on 09/17/2013 12:10:55 PM PDT by PuzzledInTX
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To: Perdogg

I’ve been asking on these threads—Anybody—seen photos of shooting victims? Anywhere? link would be appreciated.


96 posted on 09/17/2013 12:15:00 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Navy Yard shooter’s friend just now on CNN: He was liberal, not a fan of Bush, bigger fan of Obama

Narrative blown up in their faces.


97 posted on 09/17/2013 1:34:56 PM PDT by sunmars
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To: Perdogg

He didn’t seem to have a problem passing the NICS background check when he bought the shotgun, did he. Wonder why?


98 posted on 09/17/2013 3:06:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Fuzz

I heard he got a general discharge.


99 posted on 09/17/2013 3:28:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( ==> sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

And I predict he votes democrat in upcoming elections


100 posted on 09/17/2013 4:34:44 PM PDT by Josa
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