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In public shift, Israel calls for Assad's fall
Reuters ^ | 17 Sep 13 | Dan Williams

Posted on 09/17/2013 8:50:27 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

Israel wants to see Syrian President Bashar al-Assad toppled, its ambassador to the United States said on Tuesday, in a shift from its non-committal public stance on its neighbor's civil war.

Even Assad's defeat by al Qaeda-aligned rebels would be preferable to Damascus's current alliance with Israel's arch-foe Iran, Ambassador Michael Oren said in an interview with the Jerusalem Post.

His comments marked a move in Israel's public position on Syria's two-and-1/2-year-old war.

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Assad's connection to Iran is the biggest reason why Israel's leaders have gone from neutral to anti-Assad.
1 posted on 09/17/2013 8:50:27 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

Really stupid of Bibi to go down this road.


2 posted on 09/17/2013 8:51:08 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: elhombrelibre

Israel casts its lot with the Sunni extremists.

Obama has pushed Bibi to side with the Muslim Brotherhood.


3 posted on 09/17/2013 8:52:03 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: elhombrelibre

Al Qaeda or Iran. Quite a choice.


4 posted on 09/17/2013 8:54:36 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Seen any scandal headlines lately?)
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To: elhombrelibre

This is gonna turn out about as well for Israel as its sponsorship of Hamas as a foil to the PLO.


5 posted on 09/17/2013 8:55:54 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Rennes Templar

One has terrorism and assymetrical warfare. The other will have a nuclear weapon soon, proxy allies already on Israel’s border, and terrorism. Maybe the nuclear weapon trumps the Sunni extremists threat.


6 posted on 09/17/2013 8:56:21 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: Candor7

Obama couldn’t push Bibi to do squat. Obama is so ineffective and powerless we might as well think of him as a lame and vacillating duck.


7 posted on 09/17/2013 8:58:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Well, they have to nuke Damascus eventually.


8 posted on 09/17/2013 9:11:23 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: elhombrelibre

Then screw Syria and attack Iran. This is first I can recall of ever disagreeing with BIBi....always a first I suppose.


9 posted on 09/17/2013 9:12:45 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’m sure part of this calculation is the fact that Hezbollah is so reliant of Assad that they have been fighting alongside his troops in Syria for over a year now.


10 posted on 09/17/2013 9:13:10 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I love it when spell check highlights every single word.)
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To: elhombrelibre

They are picking the wrong prophet. It isn’t like they don’t know better. :sigh:


11 posted on 09/17/2013 9:13:50 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: elhombrelibre

Glad you think so. I wish it true.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


12 posted on 09/17/2013 9:14:11 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: elhombrelibre
The other will have a nuclear weapon soon, proxy allies already on Israel’s border, and terrorism.

The solution to Iran's nuclear program is the destruction of its nuclear program. This is like treating cancer by giving yourself a hernia.

13 posted on 09/17/2013 9:14:23 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
But really, whoever hears of the PLO anymore? And between Israel and the Egyptian military, Hamas and the Moslem Brotherhood are getting shutdown. The tunnels into the Sinai are being closed now with a vengeance by the Egyptian Army.

Assad is falling regardless of what Obama does. He's lost so many tanks that it's amazing. He's still not retaken the neighborhood his brother gassed. He will fall, I suspect, relatively soon. What would be best is that someone in his government remove him. That they seek peace with the non-al Qaeda insurgents. And that they keep the promise to secure the chemical weapons Assad said he didn't have until he promised to give them up. The choice isn't going to be between al Qaeda and Assad. The choice is between al Qaeda and all the elements that wanted to get of Assad before al Qaeda turned on their former sponsor.

14 posted on 09/17/2013 9:14:26 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre
I'll take stability over chaos, any day. Assad represents a stable Syria, just like Mubarak a stable Egypt and Ghadafi a stable Libya. That goes for Saddam as well, and a stable Iraq.

A cesspool of rogue terrorists (like Libya) can be just as dangerous as a nuke in the hands of a tyrant. When Muslims aren't CONTROLLED BY A HEAVY-HANDED DICTATOR, they resort to chaos and out-of-control barbarism!

It's sad that Bibi has joined 0bama is his War on Christianity. Putin is starting to look like the only good kid on the block.

15 posted on 09/17/2013 9:18:25 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Pan_Yan
I’m sure part of this calculation is the fact that Hezbollah is so reliant of Assad that they have been fighting alongside his troops in Syria for over a year now.

I think it's more the fact that Syria has 4x Lebanon's population, and a victory for the Sunni Arabs there means that Sunnis will also dominate Lebanon, where they are already close to numerical parity with the Shiites. Numerically-speaking there are 5x as many Sunni Arabs in Syria as there are Shiites in all of Lebanon. For Shiites in Lebanon, this is also an existential war, given Syria's traditional claim to all of Lebanon.

16 posted on 09/17/2013 9:19:32 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: montag813

Bibi, do you not care about the plight of Syrian Christians who are being slaughtered by Syrian rebels?


17 posted on 09/17/2013 9:20:01 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Simply unbelievable, isn't it.. Which of these countries is fighting terrorism?
A) United States, or B) Egypt.

Answer: B) Egypt

Who woulda thunk? God intervened in Egypt and turned the tide against evil and the Muslim Brotherhood. I hope God does same in U.S. soon. Waiting..

18 posted on 09/17/2013 9:22:52 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: elhombrelibre
Simply unbelievable, isn't it.. Which of these countries is fighting terrorism?
A) United States, or B) Egypt.

Answer: B) Egypt

Who woulda thunk? God intervened in Egypt and turned the tide against evil and the Muslim Brotherhood. I hope God does same in U.S. soon. Waiting..

19 posted on 09/17/2013 9:23:53 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: elhombrelibre
Assad is falling regardless of what Obama does. He's lost so many tanks that it's amazing. He's still not retaken the neighborhood his brother gassed.

In the past month or so, he's mainly been holding back to avoid provoking a US attack. I think Netanyahu's statement is either unwise or a back-door attempt to prop Assad up. Because his statement of support for the rebels can only undermine their support in the Arab and Muslim world. That's the thing about Middle Eastern diplomacy. Nothing is as it seems.

20 posted on 09/17/2013 9:24:43 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: montag813
"Really stupid of Bibi to go down this road."

Someone (I wonder who /s) must have really twisted Bibi arm.

21 posted on 09/17/2013 9:24:48 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Zhang Fei

So Assad falls and who gets the power, the Muslim Brotherhood again?


22 posted on 09/17/2013 9:26:37 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: elhombrelibre

They may want to wait until he kills off more islamorebels or have a plan to get it done.


23 posted on 09/17/2013 9:32:04 AM PDT by soycd
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So Assad falls and who gets the power, the Muslim Brotherhood again?

I don't see how that's gonna end well for Syria's Christians.

24 posted on 09/17/2013 9:32:06 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: elhombrelibre

And if al Qaeda-aligned rebels took power in Syria, they wouldn’t be allied with Iran?


25 posted on 09/17/2013 9:32:57 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Zhang Fei
I think on a whim they go out nightly from all sides to kill Christians, which of course has crossed the most important Obama red line of all... NOT!
26 posted on 09/17/2013 9:33:07 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: jpsb

All Bibi and Oren have unleashed are words. To curry favor with US neo-cons (like McCain) and Obama

I don’t think the Israeli gov’t is inclined one way or another


27 posted on 09/17/2013 9:33:10 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: elhombrelibre

Let them take care of their neighbor then.


28 posted on 09/17/2013 9:37:53 AM PDT by McGruff (No wars for Arab pipelines!)
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To: montag813

Extremely short-sighted.


29 posted on 09/17/2013 9:40:27 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: elhombrelibre

Assad is sending his chemical weapons to Hezbollah:

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Syria-is-transferring-chemical-weapons-to-Hezbollah-to-avoid-international-inspection-326236

Could be the reason behind this change in Israeli policy.


30 posted on 09/17/2013 9:42:28 AM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: elhombrelibre

What substance[s] do you use to cope? I am sure it is not reality.


31 posted on 09/17/2013 9:44:55 AM PDT by sport
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To: elhombrelibre

I don’t understand this. The regime that replaces Assad will be no more friendly to Israel.


32 posted on 09/17/2013 9:45:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: elhombrelibre; All

The criticism here of Netanyahu for stating the obvious is a bit over the top. Our (America’s) main strategic interest in all of this is suppressing Sunni extremism. Israel’s got that particular situation on lock. The threat of the Hezbollah/Syria/Iran/Russia axis is much more compelling to them than hand-wringing over Al Qaeda. Hezbollah has thousands of missiles pointed at their major cities, supplied by Iran through Syria, Iran’s nuclear program is proceeding unabated, and the US has shown itself to be weak willed about WMD use and proliferation. They’d almost certainly be better off with a regime collapse and a partition of Syria.


33 posted on 09/17/2013 9:51:52 AM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war alwaysmeans failure.")
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To: elhombrelibre

Then let the Israelis topple Assad. On their dime. Using their army and air force.


34 posted on 09/17/2013 9:51:53 AM PDT by CMB_polarization
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To: montag813

Why? Does Al Qaeda attack them?


35 posted on 09/17/2013 9:53:45 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: montag813

“Really stupid of Bibi to go down this road.”

Agreed. But heck, it’s his neck of the woods, and at the end of the day I really don’t care whether Assad stays or goes as long as the U.S. doesn’t get involved either way. I’m for a massive pullout of the U.S. in the Middle East in terms of military and economic aid in any form, and I bet that would go a long way in reducing threats against the U.S.


36 posted on 09/17/2013 9:58:40 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: elhombrelibre

Good, let Israel send their troops to fight alongside the “Syrian rebels” here then if they want this.


37 posted on 09/17/2013 9:59:14 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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38 posted on 09/17/2013 10:13:45 AM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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Really stupid if Israel goes down this route. However, they may have a different idea in calling for Assad’s topple. Perhaps, they may attempt to have more involvement in Syria’s new regime and government? We don’t know exactly how Israeli assets would be dedicated in Syria. They may be going after both sides for the sake of their country’s security.


39 posted on 09/17/2013 10:20:41 AM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: montag813

Interesting. Wonder what the strategy is? He didn’t just pull this thought out of tin air.


40 posted on 09/17/2013 10:24:04 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: elhombrelibre

Publicly neutral. Covertly anti-Assad, I’m sure. The devil we know is worse than any other possibility. Oh, and he’s not stable or rational, or reliable, except that he’s reliably allied with Iran and Hizbollah, is rationally working on an end game, and that will upset the stability regardless. Better to upset his end game, so long as we’ll have instability regardless. This makes perfect sense. Instability on our own terms.


41 posted on 09/17/2013 10:42:31 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Really stupid thing for Israel to wish for.


42 posted on 09/17/2013 10:45:18 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: stars & stripes forever

You have to ask? No — he does not care.


43 posted on 09/17/2013 11:02:37 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Zhang Fei

This is why the Russians are the good guys by stepping in. No one else will lift a finger to help Christians in the Middle East.


44 posted on 09/17/2013 11:04:19 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Rennes Templar
Al Qaeda or Iran. Quite a choice.

My feelings precisely.

Either the Iran/Hezbollah/Russia axis or the Christian-persecuting, sometimes cannabalistic "rebels," many of whom are aligned with al-Qaeda.

This is surely the classic devil-versis-the-witch situation...

45 posted on 09/17/2013 11:16:54 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Israel probably wants a destabilized Middle East. I do not believe they are much worried about radical islam taking root in the region, as they are well able to defend themselves (assuming the USA can’t be snookered into doing their fighting for them, as in Iraq).

As for the fate of Christians in those lands — well, tough. No, Israel will not be taking them in. Israel is a Jewish state.


46 posted on 09/17/2013 11:22:53 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: elhombrelibre; xzins

Assad has protected Christians up until this point. The rebels have shown their intent on destroying any vestige of Christianity in Syria and then they will move on to destroying all the Jews in Israel.

In this case the devil we know is clearly better than the devil we don’t.


47 posted on 09/17/2013 11:42:59 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Why should he? Israel rejected Christ long ago.


48 posted on 09/17/2013 11:52:33 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: stars & stripes forever

His first concern is his people, something our leader has never known.


49 posted on 09/17/2013 12:10:44 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: elhombrelibre

Agree. That or a few hundred extremists versus an organized army of 500K - 700K (depends on who you ask) of extremists with and air force and better weapons.


50 posted on 09/17/2013 12:14:08 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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