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In public shift, Israel calls for Assad's fall
Reuters ^ | 17 Sep 13 | Dan Williams

Posted on 09/17/2013 8:50:27 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

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To: elhombrelibre
Instability is the bane of nation states.

Why someone would ask for even more of it in their backyard is incomprehensible to me.

51 posted on 09/17/2013 12:14:12 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (DC, it's Versailles on the Potomac but without the food and culture)
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To: sport

To cope with what, you?


52 posted on 09/17/2013 12:42:25 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Zhang Fei wrote: "This is gonna turn out about as well for Israel as its sponsorship of Hamas as a foil to the PLO."

Israel never "sponsored" Hamas.

In 1984 the Israeli army received intelligence that Yassin's followers were collecting arms in Gaza.
Israeli troops raided mosques and found a cache of weapons.[19] Yassin was arrested, but told his interrogators the weapons were meant to be used against secular Palestinians, not Israel. The cleric was released a year later and allowed to continue to develop his movement in Gaza.[19]

Around the time of Yassin's arrest, Avner Cohen, an Israeli religious affairs official, sent a report to senior military officers and civilian leadership in Gaza advising them of the dangers of the Islamic movement, but this report and similar ones were ignored.[19] Former military intelligence officer Shalom Harari said the warnings were ignored out of neglect, not a desire to fortify the Islamists: "Israel never financed Hamas. Israel never armed Hamas."[19][22] In contrast, French investigative newspaper Le Canard enchaîné writes that Shin Bet also supported Hamas as an attempt to give "a religious slant" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, to make the West believe that it was essentially between Jews and Muslims.[23]

Le Canard is not The Onion, but I presume you know what a canard is...

Cohen is also one of only a few Israelis who are (repeatedly) used to source that stupid sponsorship lie, and he also makes his living decrying Israel's nuclear weapons, and whining about "the holocaust industry", taking the unfortunate and occasional overplaying of the 6 million dead and then feeding the nazi-loving holocaust revisionists with their "and look, we even have a jew who agrees with us".

As others including you have pointed out

"I think Netanyahu's statement is either unwise or a back-door attempt to prop Assad up."

IF Bibi is sincere in this decision, he has made a calculus that even though Obama is completely untrustworthy, and even though everyone knows this is not just a sunni-vs shia religious issue but is a fight over a proposed sunni oil pipeline thru Syria to europe vs Russia's near current monopoly on exports to Europe, at the end of the day Bibi has to do what is best for ISRAEL.

Allowing Assad to hand over some of his WMD to hezbollah and maintain his links to a nuclear Iran may be less preferable for Israel than an al queda presence in Syria. A presence Israel hopes they can keep from being armed with WMD, or who they can eventually destroy (if Israel goes to war on AQ in Syria down the road, at least they won't be opposing a nation that is backed by the Russia Navy...).

53 posted on 09/17/2013 12:46:17 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Hezbollah gave him a momentary boost. It's been lost though. His army continues to fall apart and most of them would rather go home to secure their own neighborhood. I'd say more Freepers respect Assad than Syrians. He cannot even afford to buy food for his country. He's going to fall regardless of what Obama or Putin do for him.

http://www.dnaindia.com/world/1889872/report-poor-harvest-sanctions-further-threaten-syria-food-supply-world-food-programme

54 posted on 09/17/2013 12:54:22 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: Yehuda

Russia is trying to protect the bank loans for arms sales to Assad. They backtracked when Assad was starting to fall and they were then willing to let him go down. Then, Putin got his own ego involved and turned it into a Cold War type thing, pretending he’s the pro-Christian type. He’s as Christian as the Ayatollah.


55 posted on 09/17/2013 12:57:36 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: Romulus; KC_Lion

So . . . have you two co-religionists met?


56 posted on 09/17/2013 12:58:45 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zhang Fei

He never even retook the neighborhood that he gassed. He’s a failure and they’ve no real ability to resupply or to maneuver. He’s screwed. His people are dying and so is his regime. Six million have left their homes. Two million are foreign refugees.


57 posted on 09/17/2013 1:02:42 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre
His people are dying and so is his regime. Six million have left their homes. Two million are foreign refugees.

His people are Alawites and possibly the non-Sunni Arabs in Syria. The Sunni Arabs who have massacred Alawites for 1000 years are no more his people than the Germans were David ben Gurion's people. That millions of Sunni Arabs are foreign refugees is a net benefit to him, just as the Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 provided Israel with a firm demographic basis for a majority Jewish state.

58 posted on 09/17/2013 1:30:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Yes, they're not his people. None of them are. But his fate will be either like Gaddafi's or Saddam's. And not Putin nor Obama can save him. His and his father's cruel rule has caught up with him. His propaganda may fool some, but he's hated by Alawites, Chrisitans, Sunnis, and Shia. Possibly a few Freepers see him as a swell defender of Christianity, but Syrians clearly do not.

http://www.aawsat.net/2013/08/article55315390

59 posted on 09/17/2013 1:46:51 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“He’s as Christian as the Ayatollah.”

Ed Zachary.


60 posted on 09/17/2013 1:57:15 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Possibly a few Freepers see him as a swell defender of Christianity, but Syrians clearly do not. http://www.aawsat.net/2013/08/article55315390

A publication funded by the Saudi royal family isn't going to have an editorial policy favoring Alawite apostates, let alone one, like Assad, that rules over Sunni Arabs. This paper was, as one might expect, opposed to the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel in the 1970's:

After the news of the paper's first big scoop (regarding the formation of the U.S. Central Command for the Middle East), the still new newspaper made its name through the controversy surrounding the Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty.[8]

In the face of widespread criticism from contributors and staff toward the Camp David Accords and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, Cairo bureau chief Salah al Din Hafez resigned. Then, Sadat held a press conference with the new Asharq Al Awsat bureau chief by his side in which the Egyptian president attacked the newspaper and its stance toward the peace process in general, citing his suspicions of the bureau chief's "high" salary, and accusing Prince Fahd of using the newspaper as a weapon against Egypt and the Egyptian president personally.[8]

61 posted on 09/17/2013 1:58:17 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“just as the Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 provided Israel with a firm demographic basis for a majority Jewish state.”

Why did the 600,000 arabs leave, and why did 600,000 Jews leave the surrounding arab “nations” a a few years later?

/tapping fingers...


62 posted on 09/17/2013 1:59:42 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: elhombrelibre

On a Saturday night earlier this year Syrian facilities were hit by an Israeli attack in the Damascus area.

Public opinion is against military action in this country even after Israel’s lobbyists here AIPAC came out in support of it.

The fog is now cleared and we now know that Israel is clearly against Assad because he is a tool of Iran.


63 posted on 09/17/2013 2:02:32 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: Candor7

Bet that’s the trade off for Israel to bomb Irans nuclear facilities...which has much further and far reaching issues for Israel than Syria’s chemical weapons.


64 posted on 09/17/2013 2:05:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: penelopesire

The visit with BO is window dressing....Bi Bi’s going to bomb Iran I bet...and he’s going to take one more crack at getting Obama on board...if not... Israel will go it alone.

Syria is secondary to the threat from Iran for all concerned.


65 posted on 09/17/2013 2:08:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: penelopesire

The visit with BO is window dressing....Bi Bi’s going to bomb Iran I bet...and he’s going to take one more crack at getting Obama on board...if not... Israel will go it alone.

Syria is secondary to the threat from Iran for all concerned.


66 posted on 09/17/2013 2:08:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: MestaMachine

Pinging ..


67 posted on 09/17/2013 2:09:24 PM PDT by caww
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To: elhombrelibre

Assad’s done regardless of how they orchestrate it.....it was so from the beginning.

Not uncommon for the Jihadists and terrorists to go from one nation to the other...wherever there is a war the top players are engaged in they send them..and they keep them fighting until International attention is achieved...then like in Libya, Egypt etc. the International Leaders start striking their deals in full view of the media Audiance.

Of course those deals are never the reality that is happening behind the scenes. But it keeps the low-end participants engaged until they are done with them...and we’ve trained them and armed them.... and the players recall them to some other area to fight.

As for the refugees...there is little left for them to go back to at this point....but most will return..they’ve been down this road before...but host countries cannot continue to met their needs...so the LEaders will make certain now that negotiations work in order to relieve the host countries.


68 posted on 09/17/2013 2:17:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: Romulus

Russian don’t give a crap about Christians, all they care about is their military port. Israel sees Putin arming Iran, helping them with their nuclear program, so of course they want to stop the Russian puppet Assad.

It’s possible to not like two people at the same time. Just because Putin doesn’t like Obama doesn’t make the KGB cretin some kind of Goddamn hero.


69 posted on 09/17/2013 2:46:30 PM PDT by frickin_frackin
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To: elhombrelibre

Apparently, this is an example, if one is ever needed, where Israeli interests diverge from American interests, for those who are sometimes confused. It’s not in America’s interest to be on the same side as al Qaeda.


70 posted on 09/17/2013 3:08:10 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I bet Bibi knows more about what’s going on that the left or right media in America.


71 posted on 09/17/2013 3:11:13 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Allister Crowley would feel so at home in America today. "World's most average gay")
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To: Resolute Conservative

Whatever Bibi is up to strategically, I trust his judgment.


72 posted on 09/17/2013 3:18:30 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

I think Netanyahu is being dangerously short-sighted, but he deserves credit for acting in what he thinks is best interest of his country.


73 posted on 09/17/2013 3:42:12 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Nextrush; montag813

“even after Israel’s lobbyists here AIPAC came out in support of it.”

There’s some dispute on part of what you write above.

a/ AIPAC has been run by Chicago’s top obama bundler since Obama was elected in 2008.

b/ Abe Foxman from ADL admitted on INN that he and other U.S. “Jewish” groups were directed BY THE WH to support the WH stance.

c/ montag813 says he read something that said Bibi was at odds with AIPAC over their lobbying on this issue.


74 posted on 09/17/2013 3:43:08 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: elhombrelibre

The Israelis have a military and a border with Syria. Tell ‘em to go, whenever they’re ready.
We’ll cheer ‘em on.


75 posted on 09/17/2013 3:46:07 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: frickin_frackin

I do not appreciate the blasphemous language. Clear?

And if Russia doesn’t give a crap about Christians, they’ve a funny way of showing it, putting chapels throughout their military and rebuilding 200 churches and monasteries at government expense. We could use a little of that not crap giving right here in the land of the free.


76 posted on 09/17/2013 4:20:10 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks elhombrelibre.
Even Assad's defeat by al Qaeda-aligned rebels would be preferable to Damascus's current alliance with Israel's arch-foe Iran...
Yes, it would. All it will take is patience. Meanwhile, neither the Syrians nor the Hizzies dare to start yet another genocidal war against Israel.


77 posted on 09/17/2013 4:22:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I think someone is pressuring Israel to take this stance. Shame.


78 posted on 09/17/2013 6:21:35 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: frickin_frackin

“It’s possible to not like two people at the same time. Just because Putin doesn’t like Obama doesn’t make the KGB cretin some kind of Goddamn hero.”


I agree with you, but don’t blaspheme.


79 posted on 09/17/2013 6:22:40 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: frickin_frackin

That port isn’t much, more like a floating fill up station with a few barracks.

I think Washington (or someone) told the Israelis to take this stance. Israel was put up to say this.


80 posted on 09/17/2013 6:23:31 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: OldNewYork

“Apparently, this is an example, if one is ever needed, where Israeli interests diverge from American interests, for those who are sometimes confused. It’s not in America’s interest to be on the same side as al Qaeda.”


It’s not America’s interest to be on the side of Syria, Iran and Russia either. All those road side bombs in Iraq are manufactured in Iran by the way. They have our blood on their hands jut as much as Al’Qaeda does.


81 posted on 09/17/2013 6:23:49 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Sign in a ymca I went to as a kid read “We hope profanity remains the only stranger here”.


82 posted on 09/17/2013 6:30:05 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: elhombrelibre

All this switching and counter-switching sides is making me dizzy!


83 posted on 09/17/2013 6:59:41 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: LUV W

“All this switching and counter-switching sides is making me dizzy!”

I agree. Reminds me of my girls when they were in their teens trying to decide what to wear.

Back and forth,back and forth.

The world is getting stranger and stranger.

.


84 posted on 09/17/2013 7:04:44 PM PDT by Mears (Liberalism is the art ot being easily offended.)
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To: Romulus; Zionist Conspirator; Eleutheria5; Hardraade; Nachum; MestaMachine

“...assuming the USA can’t be snookered into doing their fighting for them [Israel] , as in Iraq.”

Proof? Links?

And do us all a favor, no Ron Paul quotes, quotes from a Ron Paul-inspired website, and no BS from Pat Buchanan.

Ball’s in your court.


85 posted on 09/17/2013 7:11:45 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: montag813

Really stupid of Bibi to go down this road.


I am sure he has his reasons.... Bibi is a shewd man who understands the Middle East far better than we do. While I am a bit surprised by this I can’t help but wonder if Bibi knows that Assad will fall.

If that is the case why not?


86 posted on 09/17/2013 7:12:06 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: elhombrelibre

Israel knows that desperate Assad with his chemical weapons and nuclear Iran are a bigger threat than some ragtag disorganized rebels. Once Assad falls the rebels will fight among themselves.


87 posted on 09/17/2013 7:38:42 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: elhombrelibre

They probably figure they are gonna be dealing with a Syria led by tyrants who view them as a cancerous tumor to be excised from the Middle East . But if Assad falls, they at least get a break from having to deal with one of their worse enemies while said enemy is going through prolonged inner turmoil.


88 posted on 09/17/2013 7:40:18 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: Candor7

“Obama has pushed Bibi to side with the Muslim Brotherhood.”

Israel is looking for its own interests — a well armed state of Arab shites backed by extremist Iranian shites is NOT preferable to rag-tag bunch of sunni extremists backed by equally rag-tag sunni extremists in exile.

Bottomline: a well established shite terrorist threat is worse for Israel than a bumbling bunch of sunni terrorists.


89 posted on 09/17/2013 7:45:23 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Mears

It sure is...and I don’t like the direction it’s going in! Just hope the strangeness can be reversed. I feel like an alien in my own land. :(


90 posted on 09/17/2013 7:57:54 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos! Thank you David, Michael, Chris Txradioguy, JJ, CMS, & ALL of you heroes!)
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To: Yehuda
Why did the 600,000 arabs leave, and why did 600,000 Jews leave the surrounding arab “nations” a a few years later? /tapping fingers...

If the Arab world's about to invade Syria the way they attacked the Jewish settlements in the Palestine Mandate during the 1948 war, I'm not seeing any signs of it. Obviously Mizrahi Jews paid a serious price for Israel's creation, but they were being singled out even before that. Net-net I'd say those who survived came out ahead. And for those who died? Light a candle... Alawites might be going through a similar state creation process, with the Russians acting as godfather to ensure the process goes smoothly.

91 posted on 09/17/2013 8:12:39 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

https://startpage.com/do/search?q=partition+syria


92 posted on 09/17/2013 8:28:19 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: Romulus

Question: does your admiration of Putin extend to his critics having to flee Russia for fear of being arrested if not assassinated, i.e., for painting Putin wearing a dress?


93 posted on 09/17/2013 8:30:32 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Even Assad's defeat by al Qaeda-aligned rebels would be preferable to Damascus's current alliance with Israel's arch-foe Iran, Ambassador Michael Oren said in an interview with the Jerusalem Post.

huh? Not sure why they would think that way but it is their ass on the line so I do respect their opinion.

94 posted on 09/17/2013 8:58:17 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Romulus
I do not believe they are much worried about radical islam taking root in the region, as they are well able to defend themselves (assuming the USA can’t be snookered into doing their fighting for them, as in Iraq).

You are smoking some strong stuff. To say Israel is not concerned about radical Islam in its region is as dumb as it gets. And George Bush invaded Iraq for his own reasons such as 911.... another hallucination of yours

95 posted on 09/17/2013 9:11:45 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I agree, and I don’t understand why some folks don’t get it. Maybe because Assad’s weakness makes him more restrained about Israel, whereas the loons in al Qaeda are never restrained. But when it comes to capabilities they’re less of threat. And Assad has chemical weapons. Al Qaeda’s chemicals are very unsophisticated types.


96 posted on 09/17/2013 9:21:08 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Liberal women now play the vagina card to win their arguments.)
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To: Yehuda

Regardless of the details it looks like Netanyahu is in alignment with AIPAC now and AIPAC is aligned with Obama, McCain and Graham, not to mention the Saudis, Qataris, Al Jazeera and Al Quaeda on Syria.

There’s money in this for Lindsey Graham’s primary fight in South Carolina next year AIPAC and the Gulf oil sheikhs.

Bibi is coming to Washington at the end of the month and he will no doubt be lobbying to create some support for military action in Syria. Obama has to have public support before he would give a thumbs up on that.


97 posted on 09/17/2013 11:55:09 PM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
"Putin is starting to look like the only good kid on the block."

That's why he's assisting the mullahs in Iran to develop a nuke... Wait... Never mind.

With respect to Vlad I must paraphrase Cleveland Brown of Family Guy, "there's nothing good about what he does or who he is.". Obama is evil. I'm not disputing that, but Putin isn't better. I wish everyone on this forum would understand that.

98 posted on 09/18/2013 12:29:24 AM PDT by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: sagar
"Israel is looking for its own interests"

Yes they are and they know thier fate lies in O's hands so when O says support my Saudi master's position on Syria. Bibi has no choice but to do so, no choice at all. Now if Israel was allowed to act in it's own best interests instead of the of Saudis it would say nothing publicly.

100 posted on 09/18/2013 1:08:09 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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