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Des Plaines sued after rejecting plans for mosque
chicagotribune.com ^ | September 17, 2013 | Manya Brachear Pashman

Posted on 09/17/2013 10:50:47 AM PDT by moonshinner_09

A Bosnian Muslim congregation filed a federal lawsuit Monday against Des Plaines and five aldermen, alleging they violated its religious freedom when they denied permission to convert a vacant office building into a community center and Muslim house of worship.

The American Islamic Center claims in the suit that aldermen violated its constitutional rights by refusing to rezone an industrial park to accommodate a mosque.

"We are not happy that we have to file this lawsuit," said Imam Senad Agic. "We are hoping the City Council of Des Plaines would understand our religious needs."

But aldermen say allowing any house of worship in an industrial park would endanger pedestrians and impede neighboring manufacturers.

"I don't care if they're Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, whatever. It's not zoned for that particular area," said Ald. Mark Walsten, who was named in the suit because he voted against an amendment to accommodate the mosque. "Whenever there are children involved in an industrial area, I will not have that on my conscience."

Members of the American Islamic Center, who have rented space in a Rolling Meadows mosque since March 2011, had hoped to purchase the vacant building, formerly occupied by an insurance company. Many of the center's 160 members fled Bosnia in the 1990s to escape war and genocide.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; islam; mosque; muslim; religion
The American Islamic Center claims in the suit that aldermen violated its constitutional rights by refusing to rezone an industrial park to accommodate a mosque.

Does this make any sense at all..They told us no, so this means they violated their constitutional rights...We must sue to have our demands met and nobody is suppose to no to us ? Is what I gather from this story ??

1 posted on 09/17/2013 10:50:47 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

uppity muslims at the very first sign must be deported.


2 posted on 09/17/2013 10:52:44 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: moonshinner_09

You got it right.

Of course they could buy an existing church, and convert it.

That isn’t what they want.


3 posted on 09/17/2013 10:53:27 AM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Ah, but don’t they realize that Zoning laws trump the Constitution, The Torah, The Magna Carta, the Code of Hammurabi, and Even Sharia Law?/s

Seriously, though, it’s not discrimination if they don’t want any “houses of worship”, whatever the religion.


4 posted on 09/17/2013 10:54:32 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: moonshinner_09

They want it in an industrial area so their bomb factory can use the same site.


5 posted on 09/17/2013 10:54:57 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: moonshinner_09

It makes perfect sense to the perpetually outraged.


6 posted on 09/17/2013 10:54:59 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Your religious needs are not the governments job to fulfill, as Christians have been told time and again


7 posted on 09/17/2013 10:56:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: moonshinner_09

Kelo revisted. Most zoning codes are bureaucratic attempts to manage growth. They failed in the free market, but can succeed via government fiat.

Here the politicians are hiding behind their zoning code which disallows that use. They could also argue that they need the revenue.

It’s time to eliminate the corporate income tax and start dismantling local zoning ordinances via the Commerce Clause. We can use Wickard v. Filburn since any economic act by anyone even within their own family was ruled to affect interstate commerce.

Who owns the property has the property rights, but this isn’t the case to use. We also will need a pro-Constitution POTUS.


8 posted on 09/17/2013 10:56:48 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: moonshinner_09

Good on Des Plaines! We have one of these storefront mosques in our general area and the people close by are screaming about all the.cars literally parked on front lawns and taxis all lined up and down the street!


9 posted on 09/17/2013 10:56:56 AM PDT by battletank
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To: moonshinner_09

If an area is zoned for industrial use, that seems to exclude the possibility of a mosque.

How is it a violation of constitutional rights to have a zoning ordinance which excludes certain uses of a property?

OF COURSE, IF a liberal judge hears the case, then zoning laws willall be changed per the whim of Muslim pressure groups.,


10 posted on 09/17/2013 10:57:50 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: moonshinner_09

the operative word being REZONE

If they rezone this to accomodate them, they need to rezone it for anyone

Tell them to go stuff it


11 posted on 09/17/2013 10:59:53 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: moonshinner_09
violated its constitutional rights by refusing to rezone an industrial park to accommodate a mosque.

It's an industrial park, designed to generate tax revenue and keep industry centrally located. Putting a tax-exempt "business" there would mean less space for a taxable entity and would probably mean higher taxes for the citizens.

I'd accuse the muzzies of trying to raise everyone's taxes by deception. When a muzzie tries something like this, going on offense is the best way to go; hit 'em back, hard!

12 posted on 09/17/2013 11:00:11 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: moonshinner_09
Geniuses I tell ya. They are just Geniuses of the highest order these mooselime scholars...

Lawyers for the American Islamic Center, including former Cook County Commissioner Tony Peraica, compared the case to one in DuPage County, in which a judge ruled earlier this year that the county had to allow an Islamic worship center to open in a single-family home just outside Naperville.



yeah thats a GREAT COMPARISON....

mooselim lawyers....not a great deal different than the mooselim scientists in Syria who blame the trouble THERE on Globcal Warming
13 posted on 09/17/2013 11:00:53 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: moonshinner_09

“I don’t care if they’re Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, whatever. It’s not zoned for that particular area,” said Ald. Mark Walsten, who was named in the suit because he voted against an amendment to accommodate the mosque. “Whenever there are children involved in an industrial area, I will not have that on my conscience.”


That’s the money quote. The council is being sued for not changing the zoning, but they have a legitimate reason for it. They also have the authority, whether anyone likes it or not. Unless you can prove religious discrimination (and the money quote precludes that), about the only thing you can do is try to vote them out of office.

We here at FR are quite aware that our elected officials make all sorts of decisions we hate, but like us, these guys will have to accept that life is just not “fair”. :-D


14 posted on 09/17/2013 11:01:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Thing is, the city planning Dept approved the mosque, then the city council denied it. Some of the businesses around there have concerns about traffic safety on Fridays.


15 posted on 09/17/2013 11:02:44 AM PDT by virgil
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To: battletank

From your telling of the auto parking I would guess you are aware of the Muslim/Koran infestation in this Country. An infestation never anticipated or promoted by the Founders or any citizen prior to the 1960s. Arab money and oil especially by Saudi Arabia was been the root. Perhaps this change in culture is what Bush1 meant when he proclaimed ‘a new world order’ that let/left the Saudi king and his two flagships of culture, Mecca and Medina, control the oil supply to the USA along with the money supply of the House of Rothchild.


16 posted on 09/17/2013 11:10:54 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: moonshinner_09

Islam is a hate cult not a religion and therefore has no expectation of 1st Amendment protection.

In fact, every Mosque in the USA should be considered a weapons of mass destruction factory as the STATED GOAL of Islam is to convert or kill us. In this case we are talking about weaponize humans.

Unfortunately for all of us real Americans our government completely IGNORES this sworn goal of Islam.


17 posted on 09/17/2013 11:11:03 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam! 969)
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To: Wurlitzer
every Mosque in the USA should be considered...

a terrorism field office
18 posted on 09/17/2013 11:13:57 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: noinfringers2

We are seeing lots of things our Founding Fathers would have never visualized.


19 posted on 09/17/2013 11:36:23 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: moonshinner_09

They are muslims. Why can’t they just conquer a neighborhood
church like other muslims.


20 posted on 09/17/2013 11:42:27 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: moonshinner_09
"Des Plaines, boss! Des Plaines!"


21 posted on 09/17/2013 11:47:17 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Secret Agent Man

It would be great if we could even get tot he point where we tell Muslims that if they want to be treated as ordinary people like everyone else, that is what they are gonna get. They are gonna have to deal with their religion and values being degraded just as traditional Christians do every day, they are going to face the exact same restrictions Christians face when they want to worship publicly and praise Jesus as their Savior publicly. And Muslim nations and communities that violate basic human rights will be called out on it every time. And if they don’t like it, there are literally dozens of nations, cities and states they can go to where any criticism of Islam, indeed any treatment of Islam other than placing it on a pedestal, is not allowed. And so we will NOT treat them as an oppressed community that has nowhere else to go.

I don’t think we can in the near future get to the point where we are deporting everyone in the US who is Egyptian, Bosnian, Pakistan, Syrian, Iranian and so on and/or deporting from the US anyone who is of Egyptian, Bosnian, Iranian, Pakistani, Syrian or other such descent. But I would be doing backflips if we can even get to the point where our policy towards them is what I outlined above.


22 posted on 09/17/2013 12:26:20 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: moonshinner_09

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=1606

In above link there is a posting by an American woman who settled Bosnian Muslim refugees in the US. Highlights:

” My entire immediate family and many friends were involved in helping re-settle refugees from various places in the world. My bad experiences with Bosnains were mainly related to the abuse of very young children (aged 2, 4 and 6) who were left unattended for hours at a time while the mother was out with other Bosnian women (also mothers of small kids) shopping for food and other things. It was not as if there [were] no sitters available. The apartment complex, which was a part of the re-settlement program, had a short term day care center for kids under 10 just for refugee residents. Granted there was a 3 hour time limit, but those Bosnians did NOT want to leave their kids with NON-MUSLIMS!! So to heck with them!! They ate pork, ham and drank beer so what’s up with playing the NON-MUSLIM card in regards to child care?

My daughter and one of her boyfriends were threatened by Bosnian men when they brought foodstuffs and a table over for some of the “lost boys from the Sudan” who lived in a “mixed” refugee apartment complex. My daughter was asked WHY she was helping “niggers”????? She was told if they ever came back something might happen to their car. See, Bosnians are like thugs. It is all for them and nothing for anybody else. “

Perhaps at one point inn time they were more secularized, more like other Europeans and not as corrupted by Islam, but apparently those days are long gone.


23 posted on 09/17/2013 12:26:20 PM PDT by freedom462
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To: moonshinner_09
Anybody know how many Bosnian Muslims resettled in the US?

Ask any assistant principal or chief of police who the problem people are...

24 posted on 09/17/2013 12:48:39 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: moonshinner_09

If any American politician had any guts at all they’d zone next door a pig farm.


25 posted on 09/17/2013 12:56:44 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: noinfringers2

Starting with the first Bush, muslims started coming in by the droves and buying convenience stores and motels. Then they started buying fast food joints. You have to have a lot of money to buy a McDonald’s. Being that wealthy in Pakistan would put you at the very top and living like a king. Where do they get the money? I have a suspicion.


26 posted on 09/17/2013 1:00:23 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: freedom462

i don’t say all of them, I say the uppity ones that have the agenda to change this country to islam, one step at a time. this kind of crap is the beginning of trouble when they are still at low population percentages. it only gets worse as the percentage increases. more demanding and more violent.

if the rest see we are going to deport those that make a stink and try to push a sharia agenda here, they will either shut up and remain civil and enjoy the benefits of this place, or they’re gone.

and the difference is that islam wants to replace the country as it’s founded. christianity does not as this country was founded by Christians wanting religious freedom and escaping religious persecution. Restoring the country to a pro-Christian country is not at all TRANSFORMING it into something it never was, namely another conquered land in the muslim worldwide caliphate under sharia law.


27 posted on 09/17/2013 1:25:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks moonshinner_09.


28 posted on 09/17/2013 5:29:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: virgil
Thing is, the city planning Dept approved the mosque, then the city council denied it. Some of the businesses around there have concerns about traffic safety on Fridays.

the BIG thing is, it would take several million dollars of property valuation OFF the tax rolls

29 posted on 09/17/2013 5:35:25 PM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Go build your mosque in Lake Michigan.


30 posted on 09/17/2013 8:11:01 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: wetgundog

let em build em back in their home islamic countries.

they don’t let em build other religious buildings in those countries, why should we let em build em here?


31 posted on 09/17/2013 9:00:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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