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California One Signature Away from Statewide Ban on Lead Ammo
breitbart.com/Big-Government ^ | 9-17-2013 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 09/17/2013 11:13:26 AM PDT by servo1969

Legislation that would completely ban lead ammunition from the state of California is sitting on Governor Jerry Brown's (D) desk, waiting for his signature to become law.

California already has a lead ammo ban in eight counties, but the Democrat-dominated assembly wants to broaden the ban to cover the entire state.

According to Fox News, proponents of the ban claim it will protect endangered species, like the condor.

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NRA lawyer Chuck Michel believes the danger posed by lead ammo to condors is overstated, as well: "These condors are flocking around... dump sites. They are vultures. They also congregate around lookout towers, and there are pictures of them eating the chipped lead paint. The point is, there are alternative sources of lead in the environment which are probably the source of the lead."

Gov. Brown has until October 12 to decide whether to sign the bill.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bullets; guncontrol; lead; secondamendment; tyranny
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Oh, I'm certain he will agonize terribly over whether to sign it. Right.

So long, California. Only the gangbangers and illegals will have ammo now because they don't care if they're carrying lead bullets. They'll be back on the street the next day. Joe-six-pack? Oh, hell no. Your life will be ruined. You'll lose your job, have to get rid of all your firearms, etc.

1 posted on 09/17/2013 11:13:26 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Dear California, Go away, please go away. Go far far away!


2 posted on 09/17/2013 11:15:12 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: servo1969

All tyrannies strive to disarm their subjects before they crack down to turn subjects into slaves. It’s a progress.


3 posted on 09/17/2013 11:18:07 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: servo1969

***Legislation that would completely ban lead ammunition from the state of California is sitting on Governor Jerry Brown’s (D) desk,****

The government of Cali is still trying to get around the voter rejection of PROP 15 back in 1982 that would have banned the sale of handguns in Kali.

Can’t ban handguns? Ban magazines. Ban lead. Ban semi-autos. Ban! BAN! BAN!


4 posted on 09/17/2013 11:20:30 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: servo1969

I bet copper, iron or steel poisoning would kill just as dead.


5 posted on 09/17/2013 11:21:29 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: servo1969

I bet copper, iron or steel poisoning would kill just as dead.


6 posted on 09/17/2013 11:21:30 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: servo1969

This state has completely gone off the deep end. Cradle to grave nannyhood, with sodomy of your sons in between.

All sane people need to flee, and shake the dust from your feet on the way out.


7 posted on 09/17/2013 11:21:53 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: servo1969

Can they turn them in at the state capitol..... one at a time?


8 posted on 09/17/2013 11:22:37 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: servo1969

Another black market created. Just what the cops need to do, search vehicles coming into CA for lead ammo contraband.

Are they banning the use or just the sale?


9 posted on 09/17/2013 11:23:23 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: servo1969

Conservatives should be doing what libs would be doing right now: shopping for a judge to give them a favorable ruling. Stop the implementation of the law until a full judicial review can be done. Then (if the result is an unfavorable ruling) take it through the courts.


10 posted on 09/17/2013 11:24:27 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Don Corleone

Free Full-Auto Guns to Syrian terrorists: You bet’cha!

Semi-Auto Guns to American citizens with a Constitutional Right: No, that’s insane!


11 posted on 09/17/2013 11:24:31 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: servo1969

I wonder if ‘law enforcement’ at the FEDERAL and STATE levels must comply?


12 posted on 09/17/2013 11:25:06 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: SaxxonWoods

What about .22 ammo?

>22 is used for small game and non-lead .22 rimfire ammo is, to borrow a phrase from Twain, “scarce, almighty scarce”.


13 posted on 09/17/2013 11:26:01 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: servo1969

libs hate guns and family, and hunting is a HUGE father/son rite of passage.

They’re trying to kill two condors with one stone, here.


14 posted on 09/17/2013 11:28:10 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

What does ammunition with out lead look and feel like? What do they use? Brass, copper, uranium? I expect there are some serious ballistic adjustments that will need to be considered. The guns might have to be re-engineered. Or.... KAnians will just not be able to shoot guns.


15 posted on 09/17/2013 11:28:11 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: servo1969

Capitalism always win. Bring on the fragmenting composite ammo!


16 posted on 09/17/2013 11:28:22 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: servo1969

Can Republicans ban THC from “medical” marijuana?


17 posted on 09/17/2013 11:30:12 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: servo1969

Seems the movie “Escape From LA” was a futuristic documentary.


18 posted on 09/17/2013 11:30:48 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: servo1969
the excuses are getting a TAD far fetched.... Proponents also "point to a 2008 study by the Centers for Disease Control and the North Dakota Department of Public Health that concluded lead is so prevalent in meat harvested through hunting that pregnant women and children should never eat it."

how LARGE is ANY given round? how long do these people think it would remain in the animal's carcass?? YEARS?? It would have to remain there for a significant period of time to leach into the muscles and fatty tissue.

Lead just isnt that Water Soluable.

"These condors are flocking around... dump sites. They are vultures. They also congregate around lookout towers, and there are pictures of them eating the chipped lead paint. The point is, there are alternative sources of lead in the environment which are probably the source of the lead.""


19 posted on 09/17/2013 11:32:28 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: servo1969

“Proponents of the ban claim it will protect endangered species, like the condor”

If that’s the case, include wind turbines to the ban.


20 posted on 09/17/2013 11:33:39 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: IamConservative
I'll shoot at the condors with enriched uranium shells.

(depleted uranium is for wimps who are scared of "criticality incidents" in their stockpiles)

21 posted on 09/17/2013 11:33:52 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Why is our military going to be used as Al Qaeda's air force in Syria?)
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To: servo1969
I use gold anyway.


22 posted on 09/17/2013 11:33:53 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Noamie

I’ll be happy to turn mine in, they might not like the speed at which they arrive, though.


23 posted on 09/17/2013 11:34:13 AM PDT by filospinato
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To: Tenacious 1

This one’s brass:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1301136233/cci-blazer-brass-ammunition-9mm-luger-115-grain-full-metal-jacket


24 posted on 09/17/2013 11:34:59 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: Tenacious 1

This one’s copper:

http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/ammunition/tac-xpd-ammunition/


25 posted on 09/17/2013 11:37:23 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: DannyTN

Depleted uranium. Or maybe bismuth metal.

Full metal jacket works.

How about Teflon coating on the bullet itself?


26 posted on 09/17/2013 11:37:28 AM PDT by alloysteel (Those who deny natural climate change are forever doomed to stupidity. AGW is a LIE.)
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To: servo1969

Wind turbines kill over 400,000 birds a year in the United States, mostly raptors, but.. BAN LEAD AMMO!!! LOL


27 posted on 09/17/2013 11:37:45 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: servo1969

And freedom of the press means “press” not freedom of ink or toner or paper.


28 posted on 09/17/2013 11:38:51 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: alloysteel

I wonder if there is an acrylic that is dense enough.

They’ll never find my ammo now.


29 posted on 09/17/2013 11:45:06 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: alloysteel

I wonder if there is an acrylic that is dense enough.

They’ll never find my ammo now.


30 posted on 09/17/2013 11:45:06 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: servo1969

This is about Condors? Really?

If they gave a crap about Condors and Eagles they’d shut down the useless wind farms yesterday.


31 posted on 09/17/2013 11:46:15 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: servo1969
Call me naive, but I read AB-711 and I don't see where it bans all lead ammo. I see where it restricts lead ammo and a fine is incurred but only if the ammo is used to take game or non-game species or in areas frequented by the California condor.

“...nonlead ammunition, as determined by the commission, shall be required when taking all wildlife, including game mammals, game birds, nongame birds, and nongame mammals, with any firearm...”

“...(h) This section does not apply to government officials or their agents when carrying out a statutory duty required by law...”

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB711

My read is that if (God forbid) I lived in California, I could still use lead ammo for self-defense unless the Dept of Game sets hunting seasons on criminals and defines them as game or non-game species.

I think that this bill is being hyped as doing more than the language actually states.

32 posted on 09/17/2013 11:54:56 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: servo1969

This would pretty much outlaw the 22 cal rimfire.


33 posted on 09/17/2013 11:58:04 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: stars & stripes forever

The protection of “endangered birds” only refers to the “cause of death”.
LEAD bullets must be banished from the earth. Bad Bad Bad
Windmill blades, chopping up birds, do not pollute either sky or earth and are blessed among environuts.


34 posted on 09/17/2013 12:04:02 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: servo1969

“It’s not lead, sir, it’s pewter”.


35 posted on 09/17/2013 12:11:55 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: DannyTN
I bet copper, iron or steel poisoning would kill just as dead.

At the right velocity.

36 posted on 09/17/2013 12:16:03 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: servo1969

I have my shotgun loaded with Drano shells anyway.


37 posted on 09/17/2013 12:18:25 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: servo1969

My .54 muzzle loader works just fine with whatever you can shove down the barrel.


38 posted on 09/17/2013 12:19:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I bet wind farms kill more condors than lead bullets. BTW are the governor’s and legislature’s security guards exempt from this law? How about the cops?


39 posted on 09/17/2013 12:33:30 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

That and ban anti-freeze as they pig out on that as well.


40 posted on 09/17/2013 12:45:10 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: DannyTN

Tungsten is denser than Steel or Lead, just more expensive.

The Lone Ranger used silver bullets, but silver is not as dense as led, and they wouldn’t penetrate as far. 11,340 (kg/m^3) for lead, 10,490 for silver.
Tungsten is 19,600, Copper is 8,930

Bismuith, also used for shot, is not as dense. A mix of Tungsten and Bismuth can be made to match lead’s density.


41 posted on 09/17/2013 12:47:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: servo1969

Wind farms kill 600,000 birds a year. How many are killed by lead?


42 posted on 09/17/2013 12:48:33 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: servo1969

Of course the 2nd Amendment should be applied through the 14th Amendment to limit the ability of the states to infringe upon citizens rights through the P and I clause.

Without the 14th Amendment, the 2nd Amendment would be applied against the state of California for US citizens who were not citizens of California via the P or I clause.


43 posted on 09/17/2013 12:50:00 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: servo1969

Call the revolution off.

The rebels aren’t allowed to use lead ammo.

/s


44 posted on 09/17/2013 12:51:08 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: donmeaker

Silver might be advantageous with the kinds of evil we are starting to see.


45 posted on 09/17/2013 12:51:23 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

“It takes a golden bullet to kill me.”
Peter O’Toole as Lawrence of Arabia.


46 posted on 09/17/2013 12:54:47 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: servo1969
Rubber Band ammo is still legal but the guns are prohibited.


47 posted on 09/17/2013 12:55:01 PM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: SaxxonWoods
Just what the cops need to do, search vehicles coming into CA for lead ammo contraband.

And while they're distracted doing that, tons of it will be arriving by boat from Mexico and Canada. This ban will work as well as Prohibition and the ban on drugs.

48 posted on 09/17/2013 12:56:30 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: servo1969

I thought the way I understood it is that all these bills are already law. Brown can only stop by vetoing by Oct 15. If he does nothing, then they go into affect.  He doesn’t have to sign anything for it to become law.


49 posted on 09/17/2013 12:58:45 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: Robert357

“I think that this bill is being hyped as doing more than the language actually states.”

Yeah, progressives never progress. It isn’t like we were promised that seat belt laws would never be used as a primary reason for stopping drivers or anything.

/sarc off


50 posted on 09/17/2013 1:04:26 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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