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CALLS TO END CLINTON'S 1993 BAN ON GUNS ON MILITARY BASES
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Posted on 09/17/2013 12:14:05 PM PDT by pansgold

It take a gun to stop a crazy with a gun and until someone gets there and locates the killer, the madman will continue to kill.

The FBI is now saying yesterday's shootings were caused by a lone gunman armed with a single shotgun. The murderer armed himself with the handgun from an armed security guard had shot but there was no AR-15 used as incorrectly reported.he s

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Thanks to President Clinton, terrorists would face more return fire if they started shooting at a local Starbucks than at a military base. Even in the Fort Hood shootings it was an OFF base policewoman that shot Hasan and ended his massacre. Until lawmakers start to see the trend of shootings in gun-free zones they will never be able to see the true tragedy of these events. And that is the fact that these shootings - See more at: http://gunsnfreedom.com/after-naval-yard-shooting-its-time-to-end-1993-clinton-gun-ban-on-military-bases/#sthash.myT26yE2.dpuf
1 posted on 09/17/2013 12:14:05 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: pansgold

Why didn’t Bush do something about this EO when he was President?


2 posted on 09/17/2013 12:18:16 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: pansgold

Greatly limited ROEs and disarmed on military bases.

Perhaps we should call our troops the the Disarmed Forces.


3 posted on 09/17/2013 12:19:29 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Cowboy Bob

There were no shootings on military bases.

I don’t understand why there aren’t armed guards on military bases, it’s a frigging MILITARY BASE. Why aren’t there guns?


4 posted on 09/17/2013 12:20:05 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: pansgold

Their job involves weapons ALREADY, and we’re always told this is a NEW type of war in which there is no “front”, per se.

And so there they are —TARGETS.

And yet no way to defend us, indeed, no way even to defend THEMSELVES.

IT IS RIDICULOUS.


5 posted on 09/17/2013 12:20:30 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: pansgold
Running a military base without armed military to guard it makes about as much sense as opening a brothel with cutouts of women.

Do the feds still run that brothel they took over in the early 90's?

6 posted on 09/17/2013 12:20:59 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

“Why didn’t Bush do something about this EO when he was President?”

That would assume GWB disagreed with it.


7 posted on 09/17/2013 12:21:09 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: pansgold

Mass shootings only occur in gun-free zones.


8 posted on 09/17/2013 12:21:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When your policy is to rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on enthusiastic support from Paul.)
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To: gaijin

BBBut they all had cell phones and were ferociously texting.


9 posted on 09/17/2013 12:22:00 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: pansgold

10 posted on 09/17/2013 12:23:26 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: FreedomStar3028

My guess is that they don’t want every cook or clerk typist who last qualified with a rifle or pistol in basic training to get the idea they’re rangers,grunts, SF,etc.

That being said, I’m not sure why those who are practiced cannot be armed while in uniform with their duty weapon.


11 posted on 09/17/2013 12:23:46 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

“...it’s a frigging MILITARY BASE. Why aren’t there guns?”

The security guards had guns but either couldn’t or didn’t get a chance to use them effectively. We need to start giving base security body armor if they dont already have it. The freaking EPA is better armed than military bases.


12 posted on 09/17/2013 12:24:14 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: pansgold

AMEN!

Arm soldiers!

They know exactly what to do.


13 posted on 09/17/2013 12:25:34 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I know of a National Guard base where all the guards carry M-16s, but no bullets.


14 posted on 09/17/2013 12:26:28 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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Should instead be part of the active duty check-in when you get transfered in that you will attend all required concealed carry and long gun requirements for the state the base is on. You will then be required to purchase a sidearm with funding in a new allowance catagory just like housing allowance, clothing allowance, meal rations allowance. You will be required to carry at all times on the base, not required in your govt. housing, if applicable. But post an armed guard to accessways for govt housing to protect the unarmed members and their families.


15 posted on 09/17/2013 12:26:45 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I am reaching for the popcorn and waiting for the Barney Fife comments.


16 posted on 09/17/2013 12:29:55 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: pansgold

If this isn’t common sense gun legislation, I don’t know what is.


17 posted on 09/17/2013 12:30:54 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: USCG SimTech

Which is exactly why Switzerland is/was a place nobody messes with. When the Germans tried to roll thru, the citizens promised to shoot every officer first. Every citizen had to prove proficciency with a rifle as their duty. Target practice every month as well if I recall correctly. Germany kept a safe distance.


18 posted on 09/17/2013 12:31:06 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: gaijin

Hijackings finally meant pilots got guns.

NOTICE ANY RECENT HIJACKINGS..?

The resistance to the change is because the left saw the next logical argument — “Hey, it worked for planes, so why not military bases? And then why not SOCIETY..?”

Armed pilots were the tiny leak in the dyke.

LET US SEE A GUSHING FLOOD..!


19 posted on 09/17/2013 12:31:21 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Red in Blue PA

If FIXING this (doing away with gun free zones) isn’t common sense gun legislation, I don’t know what is. (for clarification)


20 posted on 09/17/2013 12:31:37 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: pansgold; All

Y’know, a lot of this problem is self-inflicted. We as gun owners have a real bad tendency to “hide our light under a bushel basket.” That is to say that most gun owners don’t carry and those that do tend to carry concealed. Which might be OK from a tactical perspective, but in the long run just undercuts our position. Very few gun owners Open Carry the Tools of Liberty. And it’s not helping us one little bit.

Ask yourself: would the kind of senseless butchery we’ve seen in CT and DC and CO and other places have occurred if even 10% of the population Open Carried?

No, it probably would not.

And we also have to ask whether we would even be hearing the tired bleatings of the gun grabbers if 10% of the population Open Carried?

No, we probably would not.

So while we complain about the gun grabbers and fight them politically, it continues to be something of a rearguard effort. We could largely eliminate violent crime and get marginalize the gun grabbers in one fell swoop if just say one out of 4 or one out of 5 gunowners would just openly and proudly carry the Tools of Liberty as they went about their day to day business.


21 posted on 09/17/2013 12:32:14 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: pansgold

We are sitting ducks right now. A band of clowns can overrun our military bases.


22 posted on 09/17/2013 12:33:19 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (I think Obama and crew feel that time is being wasted and that we need to get the jump on Russian sh)
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To: gaijin

The Beruit Marine barracks - guards had no ammo.

USS Cole - M2 guys topside also had no ammo.

DID YOU KNOW THE CAPTAIN FORBADE AMMO EVEN *AFTER* THE ZODIAK STRUCK..?

He later said he wanted to avoid a tragedy —sounds made up, right?


23 posted on 09/17/2013 12:33:36 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: pansgold

I didn’t know our men on military bases couldn’t have a handgun until the killing at Fort Hood. I was stunned to find that out. That many deaths at Fort Hood wouldn’t have happened if our guns had a handgum. These killings at the Naval base also be much less if our guys had a handgun.

That law needs to be struck down right now.


24 posted on 09/17/2013 12:34:45 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Ahhh... crazy’s hearing voices don’t obe thelaw?


25 posted on 09/17/2013 12:35:17 PM PDT by pansgold
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To: pansgold
As a civilian visitor, I entered a large military installation a few weeks after (the first) 9/11. It was very comforting to see several of America's finest firmly stationed behind a roof mounted .50 caliber belt fed weapon, guarding the gate. It seems now, though, that thousands of well trained men and women, who have sworn an oath to protect the US and it's constitution, walk around unarmed, while a few rent-a-cops with far less training and no oath, are the only ones walking around with weapons.

It seems like the Navy Yard shooter (I refuse to print its name) would have thought twice, and only have succeeded once, if he were met by a few armed GIs running to the sound of the gunfire, with weapons drawn.

26 posted on 09/17/2013 12:37:57 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Cowboy Bob

The Bushies are big govt liberals....ALL Of ‘EM!


27 posted on 09/17/2013 12:38:35 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: pansgold

Crazy.

Policies .. Who needs them unless they serve a leftist goal.

Years ago, even as we took up a new fight against terrorists of no particular persuasion, we lost our way, our nation’s leaders floundered and philandered too, the price we have paid since for their intrigues is inestimable, for families, for states and our nation.

Put some ice on it, Bubba. Time for you to get Jimmah Carter to build you a house.. With a view. Of Hillary and the hell she hath wrought as well.


28 posted on 09/17/2013 12:39:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: newfreep

That’s right.


29 posted on 09/17/2013 12:42:27 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why didn’t Bush do something about this EO when he was President?

Good question but I think that the answer lies in two parts. First, if you'll recall, Bush #43 (W) said he would sign an assault weapons ban. He could say this and be comforted in the knowledge that Congress would never send him one. But I'm pretty sure that he would have done so had one been sent to his desk.

Part two of this lies in his daddy, Bush #41. That Bush is decidedly antigun. He's the guy who got rid of all our cheap Chinese, Egyptian, Czech and Bulgarian 7.62x39 ammo by an EO ban. He's the guy who also banned (by EO) the superb H&K PSG-1 long range rifle from ever again competing at Camp Perry or being used to take game at 800+ meters. At a minimum of $10K to buy one, it wasn't high on the list of guns wanted in da 'Hood. This was also the guy, you'll remember, who coined the term for our society just after Gulf War #1 of New World Order, in 1992. That is not an accident.

30 posted on 09/17/2013 12:42:40 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: FreedomStar3028

I have the same question..I had no idea that there were no guns allowed on military bases..its a MILITARY BASE..if guns are not allowed there then these brave men and women who sacrifice everything for our freedom are just sitting ducks. Jihadists attack military bases in Afghanistan all the time, you would think they would allow military to carry weapons, but thanks to Slick Willy he banned it


31 posted on 09/17/2013 12:42:48 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: pansgold

As far as I’m concerned, American military personnel should be required to carry their firearm at all times.


32 posted on 09/17/2013 12:43:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: pansgold

Chicken, Alaska was invaded by ninjyas from 7 different LE Agencies. They literally outnumbered the ENTIRE TOWN.

And yet we cannot defend our own military bases in the capital city of our own country.

We enforce Iraqi borders, Yemeni borders, but leave our OWN totally undefended.

Is there any historical precedent?


33 posted on 09/17/2013 12:43:50 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: PeaRidge

“I am reaching for the popcorn and waiting for the Barney Fife comments.”

We’ll see. You might be waiting for awhile.


34 posted on 09/17/2013 12:45:45 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: gaijin

“LET US SEE A GUSHING FLOOD..!”

Yes, but ultimately it’s up to us to do it. Do we really think the politicians are going to preserve our liberties?

If even 10% of the population Open Carried, do you really think this would be an issue?


35 posted on 09/17/2013 12:47:18 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: pansgold

1. We let our BP guy get killed (bean-bag rounds)

2. We let our Customs guy get killed

3. We let our “Embassy” guys get killed

4. We disarm our military

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE IN THE MILITARY...?


36 posted on 09/17/2013 12:47:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Red in Blue PA

“If FIXING this (doing away with gun free zones) isn’t common sense gun legislation, I don’t know what is. (for clarification).”

But it sort of begs the question: do the politicians possess any common sense? I think the answer to that by and large is a resounding NO.

If we wish to preserve our liberties, then the only people who will do so are ourselves. When we act with common sense by regularly and openly carrying the Tools of Libery, a lot of this silliness will evaporate. When we start acting like a free people and effectively nullify the usurpations of our liberties, then much of our political silliness will evaporate as well.


37 posted on 09/17/2013 12:50:23 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: All

Having spent several years as a military policeman on several military bases, I would like to clarify a couple of misconceptions here.

There is currently nothing preventing a commanding officer from arming troops with government firearms while they go about their duties on a military base except fear of “accidental discharges”. The law in place prohibits the possession of only privately owned firearms on bases.

Federal law and the laws of the states already allow any service member to carry an assigned firearm at any time during the course of their military duties.

There is a culture in the military of making policies for the lowest common denominator. Commanders choose not to arm troops on bases because inevitably some Joe will screw up and shoot his buddy at the motor pool.

I’m not saying it’s a good reason for not having, for example, all E-5s and above armed at least with pistols. It’s just the military rationale for not doing it.

Sure, we could change the EO or law or whatever and allow privately owned firearms in the barracks or on base housing, but this does not address the fact that service members should be armed while on base carrying out their duties. This must originate at the base commander level.


38 posted on 09/17/2013 12:51:29 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: justa-hairyape

“We are sitting ducks right now. A band of clowns can overrun our military bases.”

The same could be said for our homes, our businesses, and our schools. How many people even carry, let alone carry openly?

A big part of the solution is already out there and perfectly legal in most states. Yet our population has become so neutered as to not even dare carry the Tools of Liberty.


39 posted on 09/17/2013 12:52:25 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Because Bush wasn’t nearly as “conservative” as everyone touted him to be.

I tried to point this out a couple of times, but was shouted down.


40 posted on 09/17/2013 12:53:48 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I carry. Every day. There’s a bunch of us out here that take the issue pretty seriously.


41 posted on 09/17/2013 12:55:06 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

To make matters worse we’re trying to hide our military as if they were something to be ashamed of. Just this spring a Michigan high school was sent into lockdown because a man in military style fatigues was seen walking down the hall.

The man in fatigues turned out to be a recent graduate of the school who happened to be stationed at the nearby Selfridge ANG base. He was stopping to say hi to his old teachers and to show off a little in uniform. He wasn’t even armed and it still caused a panic.


42 posted on 09/17/2013 12:55:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: gaijin

We have 73 Federal armed forces —not just FBI, BATF.

Now it’s Dept of Education, and even the Library of Congress has armed cops —the rise of Warrior Cops.

MEANWHILE NO GUNS ON *MILITARY BASES*..?

See, these two things are part of the SAME problem —guns going to people who do NOT need them, and NOT going to people do DO need them.


43 posted on 09/17/2013 12:55:42 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Dead Corpse

“I carry. Every day. There’s a bunch of us out here that take the issue pretty seriously.”

Openly? If so, I offer you my humble thanks. There are very few of us who do.


44 posted on 09/17/2013 12:59:01 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: FreedomStar3028
I don’t understand why there aren’t armed guards on military bases, it’s a frigging MILITARY BASE.

That would require common sense which is not so common anymore.

45 posted on 09/17/2013 1:00:18 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Cowboy Bob
Why didn’t Bush do something about this EO when he was President?

There were hundreds of EO's W should have overturned. The first thing Reagan did when he took office was to fix the EO mess that was left behind by Carter.

46 posted on 09/17/2013 1:01:36 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ExSoldier
Good question but I think that the answer lies in two parts. First, if you'll recall, Bush #43 (W) said he would sign an assault weapons ban. He could say this and be comforted in the knowledge that Congress would never send him one. But I'm pretty sure that he would have done so had one been sent to his desk.

W signed everything. His veto record is appalling.

47 posted on 09/17/2013 1:02:49 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Because he agreed that disarming military personnel on base was a good idea.


48 posted on 09/17/2013 1:03:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: pansgold

“Everyone wants to keep people safe – and no one denies Mr. Clinton’s good intentions.”

Damn the liberals and their “good intentions”. Has there EVER been a liberal “good intention” that hasn’t turned out bad? I can’t think of one. That is why it is a good bet to see what the liberals want and do the opposite.


49 posted on 09/17/2013 1:05:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: pansgold

Served from 1967 to 1969.

At Ft. Dix, Ft. Lewis and duty stations in Germany firearms were only carried while on guard duty (with ammo) and Field training exercises with blanks,qualification with live ammo, or checked out of the arms room for cleaning.
Privately owned firearms were kept locked in the arms room and only released to the owner with company commander’s approval for target shooting, hunting, change of duty station, or end of enlistment to take home.

There were 2 incidents at Ft. Lewis where soldiers on guard duty with live ammo 1). shot himself in the head either accidentally while playing with the pistol or committed suicide and 2). a round from an “unloaded” .45 was discharged inside the guard quarters passing through a bunk mattress and lodging in a trooper’s leg.

Not sure that everybody on post should be carrying firearms with live ammo when not in a combat zone is a good solution to on base shootings


50 posted on 09/17/2013 1:06:42 PM PDT by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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