Skip to comments.Sequester may force USAF to retire entire fleets of aircraft
Posted on 09/18/2013 3:04:39 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Sequester may force USAF to retire entire fleets of aircraft
The US Air Force will likely have to cut entire fleets of aircraft to comply with the Congressional sequestration law, says a top service official. In order to retain a force capable of operating across the spectrum of operations, the USAF will have to sacrifice single-mission aircraft in order to preserve multirole machines.
The only way you really save money is to make entire weapons systems go away, says Gen Mike Hostage, commander of the USAFs Air Combat Command. That is so that the whole logistics train, the whole support infrastructure that goes with it goes away.
Though eliminating single-mission aircraft is the most efficient way to save money while preserving military capability, the problem is politics, Hostage says.
For example, the L-3 MC-12 Project Liberty aircraft has excellent capability, if funding was not an issue, Hostage says. Other single-mission aircraft that might be sacrificed include the Fairchild Republic A-10.
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However, the Boeing F-15C fleet is likely to be preserved to some degree, even if total fleet numbers drop. The USAF is short on air superiority capability with its small fleet of 184 Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors, Hostage says. The Lockheed F-35 will be able to fill that role when used in conjunction with the Raptor, he adds, although the F-22 will remain the preeminent air superiority machine for the foreseeable future.
The USAF has to prioritise recapitalisation over modernisation, otherwise the service faces the unsavoury prospect of facing-off against enemy forces with 45-year old fourth-generation fighters in the future. No matter how you [modernise the capability], it is not tactically viable once you get to the middle of the decade, Hostage says. The USAF is screwed if it does not modernise with the F-35, he adds. But if the worst came to the worst and the F-35 were to be cancelled, the USAF would need 350 new-build Raptors to get to 2030, Hostage says.
The F-35 is expected to be able to operate across a wide spectrum of missions. In a perfect world, Id like to have 1,000 A-10s I could do close air support [CAS] with, Hostage says. I cant afford it. I cant afford the fleet I have now.
While it will be more expensive to do the CAS mission with the F-35 and perhaps not quite as impressive as the A-10 in that role, the stealthy fifth-generation fighter can perform the task, Hostage says.
Even the Boeing B-1 bomber or even the future Long-Range Strike Bomber will be able to perform the CAS role, he says. I will not lose what we have gained in understanding how to support the army in the tactical battlefield, Hostage says. That was the mistake we made coming out of Southeast Asia.
Since we can’t have both guns and butter, may as well switch to a smaller Canadian/European/Japanese style defensive military. Our military has just become makework for many people who whine as soon as they’re deployed anyway; just shut it down. We shouldn’t be sending our people to die in such God-forsaken places anyway, and Vladimir Putin will now protect Western Civilization.
Close Air Support performed by a stealthy aircraft? I bet the enemy troops on the ground will know that it’s there, so the “stealth” factor may not really register.
I don’t suppose they’d consider defunding Al Qaeda instead?
....meanwhile, this year, 300 million to PUCkistan, who hid UBL for at least a couple of years.........and now he arms the terrorist...
“to comply with the Congressional sequestration law”
Yeah, Congress did it.
Start by retiring the entire fleet of VC-25s.
Thank you Baraq H. 0bama, mmm mmm mmm.
Sure, whatever. Let us give up our custodies and sovereignty and call that “victory”. I am sure abandoning consciousness to the whims of materialists inMoscow will work great.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
The article doesnt mention the forcing function. You cant just park the aircraft and wait for funding later. If you dont fly an aircraft something like every 90 days you lose its airworthiness certificate. Once that happens you have to box the aircraft up, send it to the desert, its then rebuilt, flown, recertified and returned to service. When Clinton was in office, he spent the spares money on non-military missions. Therefore they had insufficient engines, radios, radars, etc. So a plane would fly, get cannibalized for parts, so other planes could fly, then theyd try to rebuild it in time to fly again in (90 days?) By the time Clinton left office 50% of the air force and navy planes could not fly on any given day.
Another problem is the manufacturer of spares most likely will go out of the business. So, although the military may own the design, the guy with the secret sauce is now retired and living on a beach in Panama.
Congress could, in theory, supply just money for the military and hold up other funding. Theyd say, Okay, Obama, were going to hold your feet to the fire over immigration reform and Obamacare, but heres a couple of billion to keep the military running. What Clinton did was repurpose the military to spend money on social projects. He had troops in full combat gear diapering AIDS babies in sub-Saharan Africa. So, Obama could say, Fine. Ill just man the Obamacare offices with the military. It would become the War On Healthcare, just as Clinton had the War On Aids.
If we are going to seriously wound the military, now would probably be better than later. Russia and China will be much bigger in the coming years than they are now. Hopefully, America will learn its lesson for the next 20 years or so and not have future intercourse with socialism.
I call BS. The Air Force has been trying to make the A-10 go away for years but the Army objects. The Air Force signed up for the close air support role but don’t want it. I suspect they are using the sequester as an excuse.
I’ll take a pair of A-10’s ,, maybe more ... and lease them to a local AIR attraction in Lakeland “Fantasy of Flight” ,, or just take rich tourists here in Orlando for a nice vomiting ride... either way they’ll stay fresh and functional ...
“Sure, whatever. Let us give up our custodies and sovereignty and call that victory. I am sure abandoning consciousness to the whims of materialists inMoscow will work great.”
We’ve lost the moral high ground to do much internationally anyway. In addition, we’ve lost a war in Iraq and are losing the war in Afghanistan (Obama has already signaled the date on which that one will be lost). Until we go to war with our ideological enemies (like Red China), then it is all a hoax anyway; could we make it a cheaper hoax?
and the EBT cards will still work to buy crab legs
I understand the issue with stagnation for military equipment. I don’t think Americans will have an appetite for war for some time; we’ve lost in Iraq, we’re losing in Afghanistan, and we give preferred trading status to our real enemies like Red China.
I’d think Obama intends to use the military for social rather than military purposes; why else would he push the gay thing (where they can serve but still can’t donate blood)?
Let’s face it: this is all part of THE PLAN tacitly being pushed by both parties. The US Military will slowly be eroded to pay for social benefits and interest on the debt (non-discretionary spending). Indeed, this is happening to the entire Government, but the Military is most at risk because (unlike most other agencies) you can’t reconstitute it’s capabilities on a dime. Once they are lost, they will remain lost without massive investment (which just isn’t anywhere on the horizon). And I say BOTH parties, because the Republicans have helped this along almost as much as the Dems—and I’m going all the way back to Bush I.
I am glad I wasn’t the only one thinking SALE. A10s work for me and I must have a supersonic jet or two plus a couple of choppers. Do we get a discount since we already paid for them through tax dollars?
Turn the A-10s over to the Army. They are the ones that need them anyway.
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Pump money into naval air. They are the first line of defense. The Air Force is obsolete. So is the Army for that matter. The Marines should be the size of the Army and vice versa. Sorry Army/AF types but that is the way I see it.
Congressional sequestration law??? It's the OBAMA sequestration law. EVERYONE going forward, particularly Republican politicians, needs to make sure that the word "sequestration" is always preceded by the word "Obama".
My immediate thought, too. The USAF leadership couldn’t be more transparent if they were made of Plexiglass.
I dont suppose theyd consider defunding Al Qaeda instead?
The “Padlock the Statue of Liberty” Strategy
The US can afford to arm AlQuaida but not arm itself? mygosh
Exactly what percentage cut was made from the DOD??
Originally it was said to be 5%, but that must not be!
hussein is pleased his plan is working so well and so quickly.
“..I dont think Americans will have an appetite for war for some time..”
our Islamist enemies have been planning for years to bring the battle to the streets of the USA. If they succeed American taste buds may have a dramatic change.
Not only the A10 is questioned. Also the KC-10, the F-15C and CSAR helos!
No, it becomes a hangar queen and there are numerous ops checks and inspections to perform, but it doesn't lose it's "airworthiness certificate".
" Once that happens you have to box the aircraft up, send it to the desert, its then rebuilt, flown, recertified and returned to service.
No, the maintenance crews or CLSS teams from the specific depot facility will come in and perform all necessary maintenance, inspections and ops checks in order to return the aircraft to flying status. In addition, a FCF (functional check flight) will be conducted by a specially qualified pilot to ensure that all systems are operating correctly.
"When Clinton was in office, he spent the spares money on non-military missions. Therefore they had insufficient engines, radios, radars, etc."
This has happened for as long as I could remember. Even during the 80s with Reagan we still had "Cann Birds". Nothing really new under the sun.
This article, IMHO, is ACC’s (aka the “Fighter Mafia”) attempting to keep all of their aircraft at the expense of the Republic’s security.
The General Mike Hostage, ACC/CC, failed to mention the last two, or is it three now?, Joint Operating Environment (JOEs) studies. These are unclassified studies signed off by all services that address security issues covering decades. In 2008, the JOE made a major shift in defense orientation when it stated that irregular warfare (aka terrorism, Iraq and Afghanistan) would be the predominate threat facing the US through 2025 because it was the only form of conflict that nations/non-nations who opposed the US could engage in and survive.
That report, again signed off by all the services, not just a major service component, meant that the majority of ACC’s aircraft are inappropriate for the threats facing us for the next 15 plus years. What good is a Mach-1 plus stealthy fighter with limited air-to-ground munitions loads in irregular warfare? Check the impact of the Mach-1 plus fighters with limited air-to-ground munitions loads in Vietnam as documented by the GAO and AF Historian reports.
As for the MC-12W Liberty Aircraft; it is the primary method of locating ground irregular warfare fighters. Without it ACC would have to operate more expensive AWACS and JSTARS aircraft to collect some of the same targeting data required by the F-35 to be effective. Its a “kill chain” issue.
IMHO, General Hostage’s remarks are nothing less than another attempt by ACC to absorb Special Operations and spend its Congressionally controlled monies on ACC projects. I saw it first in the mid 1970s and again in 1995. That year I had documentary proof in the form of an ACC internal briefing recommending that AFSOC become a numbered AF under ACC control. The notes page for the first briefing slide cautioned staff members NOT to discuss the briefing with AFSOC or SOF personnel at any level. Things got interesting when the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict forwarded the briefing with notes to me and others for comment and review.
It is a question of models not of secular powers. The Swiss one aint bad, the US constitution is best. Fail is fail, small or big. Abandoning custodies and responsabilifies to this or that makes absolutely no difference in cost, it is all the same retarded consciousness.
Indeed, i see Obama phones in Colorado saving flood victims. ( sar off)
Indeed, the liberals antiwar want us to become suicide bombers. islam is peace indeed, what an appetite.
Straight outta Central Casting. ;)
Gen. Mike Hostage is Commander, Air Combat Command, with headquarters at Langley Air Force Base, Va. As the commander, he is responsible for organizing, training, equipping and maintaining combat-ready forces for rapid deployment and employment while ensuring strategic air defense forces are ready to meet the challenges of peacetime air sovereignty and wartime defense.
The faster, the greater the coverage. It’s a combined arms system approach of cavalry and aerial artilery. Without a system it does not work.
F15s in Afghanistan would be able to pop anywhere in minutes or seconds and help direct artillery strikes or provide gunship overwatch.
Thank you for the information. My, apparently incorrect observations, came from a discussion with a Navy jet mechanic. So, why can’t they just mothball the existing aircraft and lower the spares buys to the lowest amount that will keep the contractor alive? Are they playing poker and bluffing? I know the Air Force has been trying to get rid of the Warthog forever. I thought they had given them to the Army.
“our Islamist enemies have been planning for years to bring the battle to the streets of the USA. If they succeed American taste buds may have a dramatic change.”
They brought it 20 years ago in the ‘93 bombing, and in the Brooklyn Bridge shooting, and the LAX terminal shooting, and 9/11, and Fort Hood, and the Fort Dix conspiracy, etc. etc. etc.
Americans would love to deal with our Islamist foes in the US; unfortunately we’re not allowed to. Most see no point is going halfway around the world to do it when the enemy is already inside the gates.
Except the Air Force doesn’t have a legitimate close air support platform on the drawing boards. They’ve proposed subbing the F-16 in the past and that’s not a solution.