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Navy Yard shootings expose a flawed security clearance system
The Washington Times ^ | 18 September 2013 | Rowan Scarborough and Shaun Waterman

Posted on 09/18/2013 5:22:58 AM PDT by COBOL2Java

The government system that provided Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis a “secret” security clearance has been beset by problems.

A “secret” clearance requires a far less intrusive investigation into a person’s background than that for a “top secret” or higher security designation. The Government Accountability Office notes that it costs the government $4,000 to conduct a background check for a top-secret clearance, but only $260 for a secret clearance.

In 2012, the GAO reported that the Defense Department and other agencies “will continue to risk making security clearance determinations that are inconsistent or at improper levels” because of there is no single set of guidelines to determine who gets or doesn’t get a clearance.

The office of the director of national intelligence (DNI) was supposed to set up unified standards, but had not when the GAO report was issued.

“The process has not been completed yet,” DNI spokesman Gene Barlow said Tuesday, adding that the agency is working on one guideline.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aaronalexis; navyyard; securitybreach; usnavy

1 posted on 09/18/2013 5:22:58 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java

To the title:

> Navy Yard shootings expose a flawed security clearance system

No they don’t.

The Navy Yard and Fort Hood massacres reveal the utter treachery and treason of Billy Jeff Clinton in disarming military personnel on their own bases.


2 posted on 09/18/2013 5:24:23 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: COBOL2Java

if you only charge $260 for a secret clearance, and give it to EVEYONE you have all the data you would ever want to oppress the masses

AND THEY PAY YOU !

what a country.


3 posted on 09/18/2013 5:25:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Westbrook

Skin color, religious and sexual orientation trump a sketchy mental health background.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 5:26:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mr. K

All they really do for a secret clearance is check your credit and criminal background.

The arrest should have resulted in him losing his clearance. Would be interesting to know if his employer sponsoring the clearance knew of the arrests.


5 posted on 09/18/2013 5:26:39 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: COBOL2Java
I'm sure they'll do a much better job when they give 20 million illegals without any documents amnesty.


6 posted on 09/18/2013 5:26:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: COBOL2Java
Navy Yard shootings expose a flawed security clearance system

Not only that, but the immediate security - i.e. how he got his weapons on base? Could it be that rent a cops are not really a very good idea?

7 posted on 09/18/2013 5:27:45 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Muzzie killing muzzie what's the downside and who am I to stop them ?)
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To: COBOL2Java

A NICS check, a credit check and verification of citizenship....that’s about it.


8 posted on 09/18/2013 5:28:07 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: COBOL2Java

When I got my Top Secret Clearance for the USAF SAC in 72 the FBI interview my 1st grade teacher and the mothers of every girl I dated. As a teen. Now the give out social clearances.


9 posted on 09/18/2013 5:29:00 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I saw his car being towed OFF the base. I assume that he drove onto the base like everybody else.

IOW, he could have had an RPG in the trunk, if he had an RPG.


10 posted on 09/18/2013 5:29:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I assume that he drove onto the base like everybody else.

We are actively engaged in a War on Terror, despite what the muzzie brotherhood usurper 0bama says, and within a week of 9/11, yet they didn't search his car?

Could it be that since he was in "a protected class" that it would've been racist to enforce security? After all, if 0bama had an older nutjob son, he would look just like Alexis! I'm sure that is solace to the dozen families now missing loved ones. /sarc

11 posted on 09/18/2013 5:36:18 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Muzzie killing muzzie what's the downside and who am I to stop them ?)
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To: COBOL2Java

It doesn’t cost the government a damn dime to do this. They are already paid salaries and sit at desks all day doing god knows what. What we are witnessing is total incompetence and disregard for the law.


12 posted on 09/18/2013 5:38:29 AM PDT by refermech
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To: COBOL2Java; markomalley; SoFloFreeper; texas booster; Kaslin; All

The wussification of America has many parents.

One such parent is Impeached Bill “Zipper-Boy” Clinton who signed, in 1993, the Exec. Order to ban guns inside buildings on US Military posts.

To put all this in perspective, just ask this question: “What would General George Patton do?”

The surviving families from the massacres at Ft. Hood and The Navy Yard would like to know - - - - .


13 posted on 09/18/2013 5:48:25 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Has anyone been able to discern how he was able to get on base? It is my understanding that without a CAC isssued by DoD, he would not be able to waltz on base. Both his reservist and contractor CACs would have been expired.


14 posted on 09/18/2013 5:53:31 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: The Sons of Liberty

On an average day on any US military base, 99.9% of cars are waved on through if the driver has the correct windshield sticker and ID card. The “random” searches are so rare as to be meaningless, unless some uber-terror-alert is going on. Ordinarily, you are waved right in.


15 posted on 09/18/2013 5:53:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: KC_Conspirator

I want to know how his move from Texas to that exact job on a base full of the Navy’s top brass was arranged.

Paging Professor Raoul X.

http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/bracken-professor-raoul-x/


16 posted on 09/18/2013 5:55:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I found my answer, he was still employed as a contractor, so he would have been granted access to the base, either by CAC or visitor pass. However, I do agree that some people with mental health issues need to have their secret clearances removed.


17 posted on 09/18/2013 6:02:04 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: COBOL2Java

Had to laugh at all the Libs out there yesterday demanding background checks for long guns.

This guy got a secret clearance to enter a secure military facility. What on earth makes them think anything would have turned-up in a background check to stop his buying a shotgun?


18 posted on 09/18/2013 6:05:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: COBOL2Java

not to mention flawed military full of wusses who just want to have a cushy office job


19 posted on 09/18/2013 6:13:26 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Cars are rarely searched. And bags are searched in cars exactly zero times, from my experience.

And I’ve been to that building, guard post inside the entrance, and that’s it. No magnetometer. No x-ray belt. Just a rentacop or two.


20 posted on 09/18/2013 6:22:07 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

When my schoolmate was getting TSC the FBI tracked me down 20 miles into the woods, no roads, on a mountain to ask me everything about him. When I got mine, the govt gave me a free pass coz they evidently checked me out too same time...


21 posted on 09/18/2013 6:43:25 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: KC_Conspirator

There is also the DBIDs card and long and short term visitor passes.


22 posted on 09/18/2013 6:48:23 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: COBOL2Java

There is a misconception that a contractor needs a security clearance to enter a military installation. The possession of a Common Access Card (CAC) has nothing has nothing to do with whether a person has a security clearance or not.

My point is that even without a clearance he might have been able to perpetrate this act, depending on what the access requirements were for building 197. My guess is that a whole bunch of folks without security clearance work in that building.

Seperately though, it is eye-popping that this dude could receive a security clearance.


23 posted on 09/18/2013 6:55:06 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: bunkerhill7

I don’t think they are that thorough anymore. They just check your Facebook posts now days. Maybe check with the NSA.


24 posted on 09/18/2013 7:10:15 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: COBOL2Java

If we can’t (WON’T) properly vet a Presidential candidate, what difference do other security protocols make?


25 posted on 09/18/2013 7:20:18 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: Travis McGee

Yeah, there’s that, which does appear to be explained by his trail of employment but then there’s the shotgun.

I’ve seen pics of the shop he bought the shotgun from but it wasn’t clear what state it was in. I’m guessing the shop is in big trouble. The buyer must be a permanent resident in the state of the purchase, or in the case of a long gun , in a contiguous state. AA was living in a motel so he could not have had proof of residency. His base pass would not have had his home address and having been there only three weeks probably didn’t have a drivers license. In my state you can’t get a drivers license without showing evidence of residency-—power bill phone bill, water, etc.
When the dealer called in for the NIX check he had to give a permanent address which had to match the local data base.

Smells a little like a strawman purchase to me but we haven’t heard from BATF. I didn’t hear the FBI chick say that the purchase was all cool. I expect that dealer will be lawyering up because this sale is probably going to break him unless he’s got some helluva insurance.


26 posted on 09/18/2013 10:01:37 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

He was driving a rental car, which the guards know are insured, so he would have been waved thru the outer gate or he could have gotten a temporary pass for the car easily. It is quick and easy to break the barrel off of a Remington 870 so the shotgun could have been in a package no longer than a foot and a half and that, in turn, could have fit in a brief case, etc. It was mentioned that he came out of a wash room firing so he could have been in a stall getting his gear working. Remember that this is partially an industrial area so people carry all sorts of stuff pretty much un-noticed or un-cared about.


27 posted on 09/18/2013 10:08:53 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

See my post #26——The NIX check to buy the shotgun should have revealed he wasn’t a resident yet-—living in a motel-— same data base. The base pass seems to have been a carryover from previous job(s) but he wasn’t a resident so he shouldn’t have been able to buy the shotgun.


28 posted on 09/18/2013 10:14:57 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Graewoulf

This policy (Department of Defense directive 5210.56) was enacted on 2/25/1992, before the election. Say what you like about Clinton, but this wasn’t his doing.


29 posted on 09/18/2013 6:40:57 PM PDT by Coronal
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To: Coronal

I stand corrected, thanks!


30 posted on 09/18/2013 7:01:23 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

And he drove a rented Prius, which has a “tonneau” cover in the hatchback. They should have made him unroll it to get on base. But I thought the gates were handled by Marines?


31 posted on 09/18/2013 7:05:26 PM PDT by rabidralph
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