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Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz urges customers to not bring guns to cafes
CBS Money Watch ^ | 09/18/2013 | CBS

Posted on 09/18/2013 6:18:11 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie

Starbucks says guns are no longer welcome in its cafes, though it is stopping short of an outright ban on firearms.

The fine line that the retailer is walking to address the concerns of both gun rights and gun control advocates reflects how heated the issue has become, particularly in light of recent mass shootings.

Most states allow people to openly carry licensed guns in some way and many companies do not have policies banning firearms in their stores. But Starbucks has become a target for gun control advocates, in part because of its liberal-leaning corporate image. In turn, gun rights advocates have been galvanized by the company's decision to defer to local laws.

In an interview with The Associated Press, CEO Howard Schultz said the decision to ask customers to stop bringing guns into stores came as a result of the growing frequency of "Starbucks Appreciation Days" in recent months, in which gun rights advocates turn up at Starbucks cafes with firearms.

Last month, for example, the company closed down a store in Newtown, Conn., for the day after learning that gun rights advocates planned to hold a "Starbucks Appreciation Day" at the location. The store was near the school where a gunman killed 20 children and six women.

Schultz said the events mischaracterized the company's stance on the issue and the demonstrations "have made our customers uncomfortable."

Schultz hopes people will honor the request not to bring in guns but says the company will nevertheless serve those who do.

"We will not ask you to leave," he said.

The Seattle-based company plans to buy ad space in major national newspapers including The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post and USA Today on Thursday to run an open letter from Schultz explaining the decision to not implement a ban.

"Why? Because we want to give responsible gun owners the chance to respect our request - and also because enforcing a ban would potentially require our partners to confront armed customers, and that is not a role I am comfortable asking Starbucks partners to take on," Schultz says in a copy of the letter provided to CBS News.

The letter points to recent activities by both gun rights and gun control advocates at its stores, saying that it has been "thrust unwillingly" into the middle of the national debate over firearms.

As for the "Starbucks Appreciation Days" being staged by gun rights advocates, it stresses: "To be clear: we do not want these events in our stores."

But the letter notes that Starbucks is standing by its position that the matter should ultimately be left to lawmakers.

The AP was provided a picture of a memo to Starbucks employees on Tuesday. Partners are instructed not to confront customers or ask them to leave solely for carrying a weapon.

Several companies do not allow firearms in their stores, however, apparently with little trouble. Representatives for Peet's Coffee & Tea and Whole Foods, for example, said there haven't been any problems with enforcing their gun bans.

Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, which was formed the day after the Newtown shooting, has been organizing "Skip Starbucks Saturdays" to urge the coffee company to ban guns at its stores. Participants take photos of themselves at competitors such as Peet's that do not allow guns and post them online.

Shannon Watts, founder of the gun reform group, noted that Starbucks has taken strong stances on other issues. Earlier this year, for example, the company banned smoking within 25 feet of its stores, wherever its leases allowed. The idea was to extend its no-smoking policy to the outdoor seating areas.

"There's a big difference in the connotation of someone holding a gun and someone holding a cigarette," Schultz said.

In the meantime, Starbucks has become a symbol for advocates of gun rights. A website now even sells products bearing an altered version of the Starbucks logo, with the siren holding up a gun in each hand with the words "I Love Guns & Coffee."


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1 posted on 09/18/2013 6:18:11 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: Uncle Miltie

who needs ya Starbucks, if all you want for customers is dipshit hippie types who think they are better than the rest of us and are totally dishonest, you took a big step toward that


2 posted on 09/18/2013 6:19:39 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Are there hordes of people bringing guns into Starbucks.

Does this include cops? Most 7-11s and McDonalds give cops free coffee to encourage them to hang around and keep the criminal element out. Does Starbucks do this?

3 posted on 09/18/2013 6:21:33 AM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: Uncle Miltie

Even if all the gun rights supporters stop going it will probably have minimal effect on their bottom line. They must have gotten “THE phone call”.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 6:21:34 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Adios Starbucks.

I have your Gold Card; my business must not mean a lot to you.


5 posted on 09/18/2013 6:22:47 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I hope that Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz understands all he has done is establish 1400 more Free Kill Zones.


6 posted on 09/18/2013 6:23:23 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: Uncle Miltie
I will honor Schultz's request.
My gun and I will stay away from Starbucks for at least as long as Starbucks continues this policy.
7 posted on 09/18/2013 6:25:11 AM PDT by Amagi (God Save the Republic.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Note: Starbucks’ website has just gone down, at least for me.


8 posted on 09/18/2013 6:25:51 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Uncle Miltie

To be honest I have never been in a Star Bucks and besides it would probably take me 30 minutes to figure out what kind of coffee I should buy.


9 posted on 09/18/2013 6:25:52 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Won’t be bringing my cash either.... Not that I ever did.


10 posted on 09/18/2013 6:26:45 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Uncle Miltie

Too many of the Starbucks “Friends” demographic going wee-wee at the sight of evil “assault pistols”?


11 posted on 09/18/2013 6:26:47 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When a killer screams 'Allahu Akbar' you don’t need to be mystified about a motive.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Don’t patronize them anyway, but why would you want to pay $6 for some swill served by a guy with sleeve tats and obongo ear rings?


12 posted on 09/18/2013 6:28:14 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Red in Blue PA
Can someone photoshop in a red "X" and repost in the clear, please?


13 posted on 09/18/2013 6:28:23 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Morning Joe an ultra lib shows main sponsor...Hummmm


14 posted on 09/18/2013 6:29:10 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Uncle Miltie

I like Duncan Donuts coffee lots more than I do Starbucks..


15 posted on 09/18/2013 6:29:32 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Uncle Miltie
I will avoid Starbucks like the plague.
Arrogance. Mr. Schultz reeks of it. Who the hell does he think he is?
16 posted on 09/18/2013 6:29:57 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yeah, I’m not stopping going to Starbucks.


17 posted on 09/18/2013 6:30:00 AM PDT by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Carry concealed if you have a permit, if not, get one.


18 posted on 09/18/2013 6:30:26 AM PDT by AKinAK
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To: Uncle Miltie

It’s worth noting that a recent poll (not sure where) rated McDonald’s coffee better in taste than Starbucks. Don’t know if I agree, but I will sure be shopping around now. Damned shame.


19 posted on 09/18/2013 6:31:30 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I’ll take my coffee black, and carry.


20 posted on 09/18/2013 6:31:36 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Uncle Miltie

Never been in one.There is a book store in the Mall that has one in it.All the yuppie libs sit in there,reading, as if they were ultra intellectuals when all they are is ultra aholes


21 posted on 09/18/2013 6:31:41 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Uncle Miltie

Their coffee isn’t worth $2.50 - $4.00 a cup. So I’ve never been there.

It’s a private company making poor business decisions by spouting off when they probably should shut up and sell coffee.


22 posted on 09/18/2013 6:31:57 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: justice14

you must identify with the “cool” factor


23 posted on 09/18/2013 6:32:23 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cloudmountain

CEO of starbucks


24 posted on 09/18/2013 6:32:35 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Uncle Miltie
Why not just say:

"We respect and follow the laws of the states, counties and cities where we do business"

and be done with it?

25 posted on 09/18/2013 6:33:34 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I spend a lot of money. One thing I refuse to buy is Starbucks coffee.

I may spend a lot, but I’m not stupid with it.

Overpriced and ridiculous. Besides, I just like it black.


26 posted on 09/18/2013 6:33:46 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Uncle Miltie

Hey, those stores are private property. It’s his call.

If he wants to telegraph to every junkie street thug out there that it’s open season for holdups in his stores, that’s his business.


27 posted on 09/18/2013 6:34:25 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Uncle Miltie

Someone needs to ask Schultz, “how many times has someone openly carrying a firearm actually disrupted the business going on at the store?”

People who open carry typically are the least confrontational people you can find, so this doesn’t make much sense.


28 posted on 09/18/2013 6:35:02 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Can’t stand Starbucks .... don’t like the coffee or the stores. Unfortunately, my SIL gave me $30 worth of gift cards for Starbucks ... I could scream. I’ve been there twice and walked out with nothing .... I think I’m going to have to return the gift cards.


29 posted on 09/18/2013 6:35:07 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: PLD
It's strange that Dunkin’ Donuts has the better coffee and Starbucks the better donuts.

I'm going to DD from now on.

30 posted on 09/18/2013 6:37:19 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I think the next time I see a plainclothes cop in my usual Starbucks (just a few blocks from the police station) I will politely tell the manager that ‘that person with a gun is making me nervous’.


31 posted on 09/18/2013 6:38:31 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: t1b8zs
CEO of starbucks

No need for the obvious.
He thinks he's God if he thinks he can keep people from packing. His arrogance is appalling.

32 posted on 09/18/2013 6:38:38 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: jersey117

“Won’t be bringing my cash either.... Not that I ever did.”

That one sentence explains exactly why he said what he said. Gun owners/conservatives/gun rights supporters have never been Starbucks target audience. Urban and suburban liberals have always been Starbucks’ main source of revenue, and a handful of “Starbucks appreciation days” did not change that. If being perceived as gun friendly hurt them more with their liberal customers than it helped them with conservatives (likely, as I don’t know many conservatives who regularly pay absurd price for bad coffee), then this was a good business move.


33 posted on 09/18/2013 6:39:06 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Red in Blue PA
Someone needs to ask Schultz, “how many times has someone openly carrying a firearm actually disrupted the business going on at the store?”
People who open carry typically are the least confrontational people you can find, so this doesn’t make much sense.

Well put.

34 posted on 09/18/2013 6:39:47 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Uncle Miltie
This is the act of a company that wants to stay out of politics and sell coffee. They aren't interested in controversy, they don't want drama, they just want to sell coffee to people who carry guns and people who don't carry guns.

For all of us who just wished that this or that corporation would stick to business and stay off the soapbox, this is exactly what we asked for. I have no problem with it.

35 posted on 09/18/2013 6:40:17 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Candor7
"I’ll take my coffee black, and carry."

Do you use one of those High Capacity Venti Assault Cups?

36 posted on 09/18/2013 6:40:58 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
That one sentence explains exactly why he said what he said. Gun owners/conservatives/gun rights supporters have never been Starbucks target audience. Urban and suburban liberals have always been Starbucks’ main source of revenue, and a handful of “Starbucks appreciation days” did not change that. If being perceived as gun friendly hurt them more with their liberal customers than it helped them with conservatives (likely, as I don’t know many conservatives who regularly pay absurd price for bad coffee), then this was a good business move.

True. I hadn't thought about it but the gun-toters AREN'T Starbuckers, as a rule.

37 posted on 09/18/2013 6:41:26 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Uncle Miltie

Thugs, bring your guns to Starbucks, no one will stop you.


38 posted on 09/18/2013 6:42:27 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Do you use one of those High Capacity Venti Assault Cups? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Like you I use whatever comes to hand.


39 posted on 09/18/2013 6:44:20 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: yldstrk

Haha. Not at all.


40 posted on 09/18/2013 6:46:51 AM PDT by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Starbucks sucks. They over roast their beans. McDonalds has better coffee for less money. Let them be a gun free zone and give some nut job another target site.


41 posted on 09/18/2013 6:47:24 AM PDT by jrg
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To: Uncle Miltie

This is all because libtard agitators create a big scene about being “scared” or “offended” if someone is open carrying. I have to cut Starbucks some slack here - they want to sell coffee to as many customers as possible, not be involved in a political battle.


42 posted on 09/18/2013 6:50:47 AM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: jrg
"There's a big difference in the connotation of someone holding with a gun in a holster and someone holding with a cigarette pack in their pocket," Schultz said.

There. Fixed up his analogy.

43 posted on 09/18/2013 6:50:48 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: tgusa

Cops are allowed in Starbucks with their guns with the new policy.


44 posted on 09/18/2013 6:50:52 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Uncle Miltie

Howard should have urged those with knives to stay away, given what has gone on in his home town of Seattle the last few weeks — with mental cases stabbing and killing innocents who happen to be walking down the unsafe streets there.


45 posted on 09/18/2013 6:51:15 AM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.http://img849.imageshack.us/)
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To: tgusa

White Castle coffee is better than McDonald’s in my opinion.

Neither one is nearly as good as Starbucks, but they are much less expensive.

Dunkin Donuts is probably 3rd best inexpensive behind WC & MCD.


46 posted on 09/18/2013 6:52:48 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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47 posted on 09/18/2013 6:55:37 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Uncle Miltie

No more "Full Body Lattes" for me.

48 posted on 09/18/2013 6:56:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cloudmountain

I find it hard to believe anyone would even think a liberal yuppie place like Starbucks would allow anything to do with guns.
Those that thought the open carry gun day at Starbucks was a good idea started this.
That was a dumb idea.Want to carry, do it concealed and keep it to yourself.....


49 posted on 09/18/2013 6:58:01 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: xzins

Thanks for the hint, although we don’t have WC around here. I will probably hit McD’s after I use up my SB’s rewards, leaving a $2 bill as a tip each time. Cheap investment to make my point, plus I’ve become good friends with my local baristas. This is such a shame.


50 posted on 09/18/2013 6:59:04 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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