Skip to comments.How the Tea Party is winning the GOP fight over ObamaCare
Posted on 09/18/2013 8:38:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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Suspending the ACA more effectively achieves your goal. It’s like the Sword of Damocles over the economy and the Democrats heads. You won’t win the incorrectly named ‘defunding’ fight.
We need to capture and hold the House and the Senate for at least a generation. That means winning in 2014 & 2016 all the way to 2034.
BTW mush ball is 16” softball in Chicago and is a manly sport.
Jim, if you think I’m a RINO you don’t know the meaning of the word. I am interested in winning and advancing a conservative agenda. That isn’t necessarily gained by a frontal assault.
If we had the House and the Senate, then yes, but not now. Suspension is the better play.
Well, you’re not going to win by trying to convince the already weak RINOs to surrender. This is Free Republic. We are grassroots conservatives FIGHTING the last fight for our Liberty! If you don’t have the will or the balls to fight, get OUT!!
I am fighting. Defunding Obamacare is a symbolic gesture signifying nothing and changing nothing. Suspending it places the burning log into the lap of Obama and the Democrats.
This issue needs to exist into the next election. Then you defund it once you hold both Houses of Congress. That’s when you force Obama to choose between salvaging the economy and growing jobs or his signature legislation.
That’s what I’m talking about. Same team, better strategy and better results.
“One and done”, refers to the rock and hard place between which McConnell is, finally, placed.
You go think long term and generationally. Most of us have been there. That’s why we’re now here. Damn the torpedoes.
Eating broccoli is hard, so hang on.
Nail THAT. What you said. !!
But 1010RD, I would also throw this into the mix: Your strategy only works if we have a team interested in winning this fight, and up to this point, I haven't seen that in the GOP-e. They would go for your strategy, then xcrew you at the last minute. What's your response to that, FRiend?
Pardon, but I’m really glad you’re not in charge.
We don’t have time to be “magnanimous.” nobama is Santa Clause and he’s giving away the store. We need to shut him down ASAP.
Well said . Thank you
Politicians are, by nature and nurture, cowards. If we had the Senate I’d say defund the monster and let Obama veto it, then push the override because every vulnerable Dem will be shaking in their boots.
But, that’s a totally different scenario. We want to make them suffer and the people, the voters, forget and quickly. We have the most conservative House that most of us have ever seen. We don’t have the Senate or the Presidency. That’s the political reality.
If we suspend it, but it hangs there over every Dems head, what will the voters in those districts say when those Democrats go home? The GOP has its brand and it can come off as the party of growth. Blame it all on Obamacare, Big Government and the Democrats. I’d tell every out of work person that this is the economy the Democrats made.
Have them look at Rat run cities, counties and states and they’re all an economic disaster. We’ve got two elections left to get America back on track. She’s not done by a long shot and if we can show the voters that Democrat means pain, joblessness and empty promises we can hold the House and the Senate for a generation.
People don’t like revolutions, but a pro-growth strategy after we’ve taken back the Senate and strengthened the house lets us move on all kinds of issues. A chicken in every pot can be earned and when people are happy they let you do more than you originally planned.
Obama’s hubris and megalomania got us here, let’s use it to get us out. Think long term. There’ll come a time for take-no-prisoners, but it will happen so gently and so logically that the voters will think, of course, that’s what I always wanted.
I want to win and go on winning for decades. I want my country back. That’s what I say, FRiends.
The fact is none of us is in charge. We’re trying to turn the Queen Mary and it’s captained by idiots.
Voting to defund Obamacare is advantage Obama. Why? It can’t stick. We cannot override his certain veto. We’ll be blamed for everything because we chose to go the fiscal cliff route.
We didn’t get here in a day. Voters are wimps, they want their candy and they want it free and without cavities or pimples. That’s the Democrat promise, isn’t it?
Well, we can bury that lie once and for all. Reagan didn’t kill the Soviets in a single vote, but he kept at them, limiting their options, etc.
Chicago, where I am, is scheduled for a bankruptcy in 2019. A conservative POTUS should let that happen. Let every Dem run city and county bk. Then how will those all those Dem voters feel?
The Democrats win because they promise all the goodies without the hangover. The Rat prostitutes caught the clap, let them die by it.
Damn the torpedoes! Damn the naysayers! Damn the GOP-e RINOS! I stand firmly with Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and the other tea party conservatives and the vast majority of the American people. Defund ObamaCare NOW!! Kill it before it kills us!!
Here is the problem with “suspending” it. The longer it is out there, the more damage it does (regardless of the level of implementation). Employers continue to act and move to balance their business goals. Insurance companies maneuver to try and survive. The “Friends” keep working the wrench for exceptions. The impact to the economy keeps growing and the more dependent our nation will become on it.
As it is now, 50% of our citizenry is dependent on the fed for at least a portion of their livelihood (employment, entitlement, welfare, etc.). Obamacare is adding more dependents in droves. The further the scale tips the less influence conservatives will have. We will not be convincing folks to take a lifestyle cut in the best interest of our nation’s future.
I fear it may already be too late. Our only, best, last chance to impact our future more towards the original values of our founding is NOW. We’ll have to trust the voting public appreciates and recognizes the patriotic value and effort in a value based, conservative GOP (that might be a stretch today).
A suspension is better than defunding. It makes the damage more and more obvious. It shuts up the liberal apologists and Krugmans of the world. Suspending it makes more people demand relief during an election year. It gives us more time to beat Reid and his Senate Democrats over the head with the Congressional exemption. It means we win and big.
Defunding it won’t go anywhere. Obama, backed into a corner, will veto it. That is, if defunding it ever gets past the Senate. Suspending it, and admitting the truth to the public, ‘hey, we would get rid of the whole thing, but the Democratic-controlled Senate won’t. Give us the Senate and a veto-proof majority and we’ll end it.
That happens one year from now in November 2014. That’s how you win and hold for a generation. This is the ‘civil rights act’ of 2014. If you really love your country and really fear it may be destroyed the only peaceful way back is suspension. We need to be in power to forward our agenda.
We’re winning, but this ‘defunding’ is a Pyrric victory at best. It gives Democrats a lever to hold their mushies in place. Suspension, and giving Obama sole descretion as to when it is reimplemented will kill the Democrats.
Defunding it kills it!
The idiot’s guide to de-funding Obamacare:
Thanks for thinking of me, Jim. ;-]
Jim, I know all this already. The mechanics of defunding are simple, the results aren’t. Obama and his media capons will blame it on the GOP.
The politically smart thing to do is suspend it. You use the same mechanism, but get a better result. Let’s win in landslides across the nation.
Who cares who gets the blame? Who gets the blame when ObamaCare kills America? Obama? Cruz? What difference at that time will it make?
I care and so should you. Obamacare in suspension gives all the benefits of defunding, plus places the Democrats in a no win situation. We don’t want to win the battle, but the war.
The war against statism goes on and on. We need to win the Senate, strengthen our hold on the House and eventually take the Presidency in 2016. You do that best by convincing the mushy middle to vote with us. They’ll vote with us because: A. The Democrats blew it. B. The economy stinks.
We win with suspending the law, we lose with defunding it.
No, obviously, you do not care or you’d work your ass off to defund it. Defund it or own it. ObamaCare not only bankrupts America, it shreds our constitution!!
Defund it! Kill it!! Drive a stake through its heart so it can never rise again.
Quit pestering us with your defeatist surrender monkey crap. This is FR We fight against this communist CRAP!!
If you do not care enough to fight, then get your GOP-e statist loving ass OUT!!
I am working to defeat Obamacare. I am just rational about it.
Yeah, rational. Like Tokyo Rove, Jaun McCain, Linda Grahamnesty and the rest of the statist GOP-e RINO herd.
I stand with Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and the tea party and backed up by Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, the Heritage Foundation, CATO, the constitution and thke American people..
Defunding it will delay it and better yet will kill it!
We’re here to fight the statist bastards not negotiate/compromise rationally.
By the way, Obama/Reid absolutely refuse to negotiate. Fine. We fight it out then.
And we the people will win the fight vs the dictatorial Marxist/fascist bastards.
OK, once Cruz’s filibuster is overridden I’ll tell Johnny B to pass the suspension, but until then - defund it!
The filibuster is just for information/educational purposes. Millions of people who listen in or read about it are going to have an opportunity to learn how constitutional government is supposed to work.
I don’t think you’re quite getting it. No one expects Reid to pass a bill excluding Obamacare and Obama wouldn’t sign it anyway. That’s the beauty of it. When Obama/Reid follow through with their threats to shutdown the government, the people will have an opportunity to demand through their congressional reps, that the essential departments are funded.
Obama is so arrogant he thinks he doesn’t need congress. But he’s about to learn otherwise as the House squeezes his access to treasury funds. We don’t need them to pass any bill to defund obamacare. The congress can keep the essential departments running by funding them individually and Reid won’t dare block them.
If Boehner and the Republican congress hold on to their newly found backbones, Obama’s arrogance will bring him down.
By the way, there’s also no way that Obama/Reid will pass a bill to suspend or delay it either. But we don’t need a bill passed to defund it. That’s automatic.
I get it completely. You’re going to give the Dems cover by this move. Don’t you see that if the government doesn’t spend GDP collapses?
Every lefty economist will, going forward, blame the bad economy on the ‘shut down’. They are going to cover for Obama and once the economy slows, we’ll look just as nutty.
People don’t want a revolution, they want thoughtful change. We cannot afford to not spend $800 billion. It’s a trap.
My way we set up a Falaise Pocket for the Democrats.
Obama is NEVER wrong and never has made a mistake in his opinion (which is one of his major problems).
If this closes, Obama and Democrats close this down.
We are already collapsing as a nation and can NOT handle another wealth transfer and government takeover.
As long as the result is that we win the Congress in 2014 and hold it for a generation I am happy, very happy. I don’t see that coming from all this, but I’ll see how it turns out. Suspension can still be used as a tactic in Oct.
Give it a rest. if the RINOs allow Obamacare to continue, we’re ALL DEAD DUCKS.
Well we also are dealing with Obama executive orders.
We need the next one in to negate a bunch of those and the one by Clinton disarming our military on bases.
What a mess Obama is making. I have a little guy and really worry what the future in it’s current direction could hold for him.
Obamacare will not continue, not in its present form.
The RINOs will lose the congress if they blow this. The majority of the people want this communist monstrosity defunded, then killed!! Do not fund it!!
OK, we’ll see. Obamacare, though is just a symptom. Hilary and the Democrats have wanted this for half a century or so. We need to kill their entire party politically.
It will if The Republicans fold. In fact, it will get worse. Much worse. Single payer is up next.
I think and hope that we are watching the implosion of a bad idea that started during the French Revolution. Unless we take the Congress and hold it for a generation it will rear up again and again like a hydra.
We have to win and win big in 2014 or this is all a lot of hot air and wasted typing.
If the congress betrays the tea party after this big build up, they will lose in 2014.
What is betrayal? We have the most conservative House in generations. We’re winning Jim. This is liberalisms last gasp unless conservatives withdraw from the election and don’t vote.
For Obama to be reelected he had to use every trick in the book and use the levers of government against us. He’s desperate, keeping him on the ropes through 2016 is the best way.
Keep in mind that we go through this every couple of cycles. Overreach scares the mushy middle.