Skip to comments.Tiger Woods: A time limit is needed PGA TOUR Studying Calling In Violations
Posted on 09/18/2013 10:26:48 AM PDT by Third Person
ATLANTA -- Tiger Woods would like to see a time limit placed on viewer call-ins of possible rules violations and endorsed PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem's view that such situations need to be studied. Woods, who has been involved in three high-profile rules infractions this year while also coming under scrutiny for a drop at The Players Championship, said Wednesday that the potential for improvements in technology is part of the issue. PGA Tour commish Tim Finchem says spectators calling violations is "awkward." Should this be able to happen? Vote! "I think what the commissioner said yesterday is very appropriate,'' Woods said at East Lake Golf Club, where the season-ending Tour Championship begins Thursday. "There needs to be a time limit, and I think there needs to be a discussion obviously where is that time limit? Where is that line of demarcation? You've got to start with disqualification and then work our way back from there. "I'm sure there's going to be a lot of discussion over it. What's going to happen over the course of time? Is every player going to be mandated to have a camera follow them around everywhere they go -- all 156 players (in a regular tour event) for every shot? Or is there a certain time limit when we're going to have to do it? Is it going to change in the digital age? These are all questions and answers that need to be resolved in the near future.''
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He should have had some of then “Tiger Boyz” come out and move the twigs for him. Then it would have been allowed.
Tiger: Golf sure would be great, if it weren't for all those pesky spectators, fans, camera crews, sponsors...
Of course he would, because he's a lowlife cheater!
It's pretty sad that someone so talented feels the need to cheat, but he's perfect for today's America.
I am both a competitor and an official in a sport judged strictly by human observation. We racewalk judges are not supposed to listen to anyone else but base calls only on what we see. No photos, no instant replay. I’m less inclined to call Woods a whiner here.
It’s stupid for the PGA to rely on viewers to do the job they should be doing.
And what about the guys who never get on camera, isn’t the policy unfair to those golfers that are always on television?
Hey Tiger why not just stop cheating.
You’ve wished there were no spectators on the course for your entire career, now you want no tv also.
That incident with the boulder probably cost Ken Venturi his announcing job. He went batzo crazy on the air about it. He took on the Tiger and the tiger won.
Given that his ball clearly moved and he could not have missed it ... and given that he backed away from the ball after it happened ...
How about we call him CHEATER instead.
Don’t cheat and it’s not a problem.
“And what about the guys who never get on camera, isnt the policy unfair to those golfers that are always on television?”
Well stop the Woods idolatry and have the cameras on him all the time, even when he isn’t near the lead.
Are you saying that Tiger is a Cheetah?
Are any other golfers supporting Tiger’s position?
Tiger is not the only golfer on television. Where are the other cheating scandals?
Entitled Tiger has a little ethical issue when it comes to the rules.
Tiger sees the Rules of Golf as an impediment he would like to see rolled away (”oscillated” in Tiger-Speak) for him by a new “enabling rule”. His behavior this year shows he just won’t/can’t call a penalty on himself, and he feels constrained by the rules everyone else is supposed to play within. He is hurting the great game of golf.
Interesting... this coming from the only “top player” to have been involved in a controversy like the one this past weekend (or the other 2-3 incidents this season). Also interesting that this comes up in a year in which the PGA is promoting how honest its players are, signing their cards, and promising their fidelity to the rules of the sport.
I’m probably jinxing it, but here’s hoping Tiger continues to have a frustrating season this coming weekend. I’d love to see Dufner, Horshel, Sticker, Zack Johnson, Jim Furyek, Phil, etc. prevail.
I think each pro has had similar moments. Just one getting the attention.
I think the latest could only have been called by the camera seeing that 1/16” move down. An overhead view, the one tiger had would look completely different. Tiger is correct in that an oscillation is legal. He thought it was legal, has every right to insist what he saw was different from the camera and what the camera shows different from his sight.
The masters was the most unusual, Tiger made a mistake that 99% of golfers make all the time. He incorrectly played the rule by simply getting wrong where and when it crossed the hazard. BTW in full view of a lot of others including officials making the same mostake. And that is not a defense just a fact. He totally acknowledges this, he took the penalty when told. The controversy only came in how the decision was laid out. They knew of the penalty, had opportunities to tell him but waited until after he signed the card to decide to tell him.
That is a unique situation over finding out after the signature. Therefore it got a unique treatment. Find out after tough luck. But if there was opportunity to make the card right not taken, that is a legimate gripe because an official or player could abuse that to their profit or advantage.
the other one on the string happens in every tournament. You check the boundary or ground under repair with a partner but don’t call the rules official. You both make a mistake. It happens all the time on the tour. At least I see it mentioned all the time.
Hard cases make bad law is what I say. A pattern of hard cases does not make a pattern.
I believe a persons character is reflected on the golf course whether it be about rules, displays of anger or the use of fowl language in front of not only the gallery but the media.
The vast majority of pro golphers are high in character, too bad all aren’t and everyone can make up their own minds about Woods.
The masters was the most unusual, Tiger made a mistake that 99% of golfers make all the time. He incorrectly played the rule by simply getting wrong where and when it crossed the hazard. BTW in full view of a lot of others including officials making the same mostake. And that is not a defense just a fact.”
Those are the two that I saw. I have to agree with your assessment. The ball moving was hard for me to spot on the replays. They had to do a real close for me to see the movement. Looking from the top it may well have appeared to be an oscillation. I did not see the third infraction.
On the other hand, many more times than Tiger has to add strokes because of media scrutiny, he gains when his huge, densely-packed galleries stop his ball from going deep into the rough. Most balls he hits beyond the ropes stop quickly when they come up against a viewer, a chair, etc. Other players don't have call-ins (which should be looked into) but their errant balls can fly, roll or bounce far into the rough, onto an adjacent fairway, over a cart path, etc. Tiger's almost never do.
I'm with you. How do you have a sport where non-participants have a say in the outcome? Imagine being Armando Galarraga: "Gee, Mr. Galarraga, we're awfully sorry that the umpire blew the call and stole your perfect game and baseball immortality from you, but there's nothing we can do about a call made on the field. Now, if you were a golfer, well that would be a different story. Joe from the 8 Mile could call in and fix things right up for you on that bad sand trap ruling." I know, let's put this into play tomorrow night at the Linc and give Ed Hochuli's number out to the Philly fans so they can text him that DeSean Jackson did get both feet in bounds or that Andy Reid was on the field during a play.
To all you Wonderful golfers...
I am always hitting from the Roughf or,forest,or swamp-
I have walked up to the ball in deep rough with twigs
and such - my foot touched a buried twig and the ball
moved (almost unseen) am I to give my self an added stroke?- or just pull a judge smails... and kick the ball?
Sometimes I have more mulligans than regular shots!
The fact that Woods' prior two controversial infractions required intensive scrutiny by the rules committee shows that the system is not perfect and the golfers in attendance on those questionable shots had no idea of the potential rules violations.........
There is not a single person on the tour who would knowingly violate PGA rules, Woods included. Unfortunately golf is not a precise sport where rules governing it are also precise.
The vast majority of post shot penalty assessments have occured because of the vagueness of the rule that may have been violated........
So who is most likely to get the intensive video anal scrutiny over every shot, Tiger Woods or Erik Compton?
No time limit on cheating - It ain’t the NBA Tiger.
I am sport where you call penalties on youself - Tiger is a whiner. I bet he has called very few if any on himself. It’s golf not the NBA
“The solution is to stop hitting them in the hazards so frequently. And when you do, call a rules official to consult / observe”
First of all, the latest infraction was very questionable.
Second of all, the ball that went into the hazard at the Masters was a nearly perfect golf shot that would have been about 8 ft. for eagle except it hit the flag and solidly and went into the hazard.
The problem with this is the player after seeing his ball oscillate is obligated to tell his playing partners. He didn't do this. The repeated nature of his rules violations calls into question his honesty. That's just the way it is. :)
I don’t think you are correct.
Oscillation is immaterial and not a move.
If the ball moves you must inform your partner so they can witness the replacement for 1 stroke. If you don’t inform them and play it after a move 2 strokes.
The confusion this week I think starts with all the discussion of how tiger could have gotten only a one stroke penalty instead of two. If he had ruled himself it moved, he could have notified his playing partner then they could attempt to replace the ball for a 1 stroke penalty by the rules. But since he ruled it an oscillation then he had no obligation to tell anyone. I say ruled, because players are the first ref in golf.
I think that is actually the rule by my reading.
Hey Tiger...lets ask Dr Galea about his opinion? He is not a cheater either....swing change my backside
The whole phoned in penalty thing is goofy. The fix is easy, they have a rules guy at every hole, but they’re reactive, answering questions, make them pro-active and actually helping the players follow the rules and there won’t be anything to call in.
Epic marital infidelity.
Getting busted repeatedly for breaking the rules of golf.
You're on a roll, Tiger. Keep up those winning ways.
If you wish to include personal life into whether or not a PGA pro is worthy of the sport then be prepared to condemn senior favorite boy Freddy Couples..He ain't too squeeky clean either.............
Simply noting an extended pattern of behavior with Woods.
In fairness to Freddie, his first wife was insane and not squeaky clean herself. She later died from cancer, IIRC.
So now we're trashing the deceased wife in defense of Freddie.......got it!
It is what it is - she was crazy and a whore.
No more. No less.
Now deal with it!
Oh reallyyyyyyy??? According to who, the Freddie brigade?
Gee, let's not be too judgmental when it comes to Freddie.......
Now we're getting to the down and dirty.......how about citing your sources?