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Ex-heavyweight champ Norton dies
FoxSports (AP) ^ | SEP 18, 2013

Posted on 09/18/2013 8:16:33 PM PDT by South40

He was the second man to beat Muhammad Ali, breaking Ali's jaw and sending him to the hospital in their 1973 heavyweight fight.

Ken Norton frustrated Ali three times in all, including their final bout at Yankee Stadium where he was sure he had beaten him once again.

Norton, who died Wednesday at the age of 70, lost that fight for the heavyweight title. But he was forever linked to Ali for the 39 rounds they fought over three fights, with very little separating one man from the other in the ring.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boxer; boxing; kennorton; obit; obituary

1 posted on 09/18/2013 8:16:33 PM PDT by South40
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2 posted on 09/18/2013 8:21:15 PM PDT by massmike (Why doesn't Obama just declare Syria a "chemical weapons-free zone"?)
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To: South40

He was a great fighter. Truly. I have great respect for his abilities. He was at his peak in a very competitive era in boxing, and if he had come along at another time he very likely would be now remembered as a World Heavyweight Champion. He frustrated Ali because of his style, including keeping his weight back on his back foot. The importance of specific match ups is very much exemplified by the fact that Ali had big problems with Ken Norton, but handily beat George Foreman, who decimated Norton. All of them were great fighters. All of them.


3 posted on 09/18/2013 8:22:37 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: South40

As seen in Mandingo and Drum.


4 posted on 09/18/2013 8:22:38 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: South40
OMG, he was 70? It seems like only yesterday...

R.I.P., Ken Norton.

5 posted on 09/18/2013 8:24:15 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: South40

Rest in Peace.

Didn’t know he was a former Marine in a bad accident and that his son played in the NFL though I do remember the name now of Ken Norton Jr. Very interesting life. Too short.


6 posted on 09/18/2013 8:26:29 PM PDT by BeadCounter (Really? Syria?)
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To: South40
There were two fights involving Cassius Clay (sorry,I refuse to call him that other name),IIRC,that were fixed by the mob.Norton was the opponent in at least one of them,wasn't he?
7 posted on 09/18/2013 8:30:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

And don’t forget Larry Holmes and the great 15rd fight he had with him.


8 posted on 09/18/2013 8:34:27 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I don’t know about the fight but I’m pretty certain Ali’s broken jaw was real.


9 posted on 09/18/2013 8:35:29 PM PDT by South40
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To: massmike

He beat Larry Holmes and then went on to defeat his younger brother Mobile Holmes....


10 posted on 09/18/2013 8:47:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: BeadCounter

Junior is the linebackers’ coach for the Seahawks.


11 posted on 09/18/2013 8:58:37 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer
Junior is the linebackers’ coach for the Seahawks.

And before that for the USC Trojans, which could have been interesting around the middle of November when they played UCLA. Kenny attended college at UCLA and was a great linebacker for the Bruins!

12 posted on 09/18/2013 9:01:21 PM PDT by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There's one there, right next to the potatoes!)
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To: South40
Muhammad Ali may have been the greatest pure athlete ever to earn his living at boxing; that is not the same thing as being the greatest prizefighter or even the greatest heavyweight prizefighter of all time. He never had any sort of a punch with his left hand which could really hurt anybody and he never had the combinations of heavy punches which you see guys like Roy Jones, Duran, or Gennady Golovkin using.

I personally view Duran as the greatest prize fighter of all time and, until somebody holds the heavyweight crown for 13 years, I will view Joe Louis as the best heavyweight.

13 posted on 09/18/2013 9:03:40 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Gay State Conservative
Refuse all you want. Muhammad Ali will be happy the help you with the pronunciation.


14 posted on 09/18/2013 9:04:17 PM PDT by stormer
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To: China Clipper

Ken Norton and his son were estranged for several years because the father disapproved of his son’s marriage to a white woman. But they eventually reconciled and were reportedly very close for the last 15 years or so.


15 posted on 09/18/2013 9:06:09 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: South40

I, for one, was a little stunned when they gave that last fight to Ali.


16 posted on 09/18/2013 10:18:25 PM PDT by pallis
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

You really know your boxing. My 84 y/o dad used to coach young boxers, and he can still appraise a boxer’s skills in just a few moves. Actually, I thought Muhammad Ali would be the first to go, but his life has been very heavily managed for years and years. Expect a huge, and fancy funeral when he does go. It will put New Orleans to shame.


17 posted on 09/19/2013 12:30:41 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: South40

This link shows the entire Ali-Norton first fight with Norton breaking Al’s jaw and winning the decision.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ringside-seat/2013/sep/18/boxing-obit-ken-norton-beat-muhammad-ali-dies-70/


18 posted on 09/19/2013 12:38:00 AM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: stormer
Refuse all you want. Muhammad Ali will be happy the help you with the pronunciation.

I'll certainly...enthusiastically...call Cassius a worthless,knuckledragging punk but certain tricks I learned at Fort Knox (while he was dodging the draft,as it turns out) will make it difficult for him to force me to call him anything else.

19 posted on 09/19/2013 4:37:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: fortheDeclaration

That was a great fight! I was very disappointed that he lost the decision to Larry Holmes. Ken Norton was a classy guy compared to the big mouth Muhammad Ali. He was great fighter and good man.

Semper Fi. RIP.


20 posted on 09/19/2013 6:23:10 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: varmintman

Sugar Ray Robinson = the best fighter ever.


21 posted on 09/19/2013 6:25:34 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: South40
RIP Ken, and thanks for the memories.........


22 posted on 09/19/2013 6:25:46 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: 3Fingas

Ray Robinson had problems with guys like Jake Lamotta and Carmen Basilio... He’d have no chance against Duran at equal sizes.


23 posted on 09/19/2013 6:36:14 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Gay State Conservative

The first would have to be the first Liston fight, I would guess, right?


24 posted on 09/19/2013 6:41:15 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: varmintman

I don’t know ... Duran was at peak form when he said, “No mas.” Sugar Ray Robinson, in 3 decades of boxing never quit like that.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 6:49:43 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Clay was loudmouth who, in the end, could hardly make a coherent statement...what goes around comes around.

Same with Mike”I will eat your children”Tyson, he WAS pretty good at eating ears though.

Boxing went from a legitimate sport to the same ranking of Wrasslin’.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 6:58:37 AM PDT by RetSignman (Standing my ground against group think.)
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To: 3Fingas

Duran had some sort of a major stomach problem that day. Prior to that he was something like 80-1, the one loss in a pickup fight to the second best lightweight of modern times, Dejesus, who he flattened in two following matches. Duran was a natural lightweight - junior-welter but was simply good enough to beat up people in heavier weight divisions for a number of years after he’d scared everybody close to his own size into the woodwork.


27 posted on 09/19/2013 7:23:32 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

You make a very persuasive argument. Duran was certainly one of the best.


28 posted on 09/19/2013 7:32:23 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: 3Fingas
Ray Leonard was a much bigger guy than Duran. In that first fight in Montreal, Leonard was really at peak age at about 23 and Duran was just past his 30'th birthday, i.e. David/Goliath with every edge to the giant. Duran beat him up so badly he looked like a train had run over him the next morning and the only thing which really kept the fight from being over in the second round was the size difference.

They'd been carrying Ray Robinson and Ray Leonard look-alikes who were ballpark for Duran's size out in wheelbarrows for eight or ten years prior to that. In 74 Duran had a dozen or so professional fights and DeJesus was the only one who even made it back to the dressing room on his own feet. That included several lightweight title fights and several other fights at 140 or 145.

29 posted on 09/19/2013 7:42:45 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: 3Fingas

True! Semper Fi.


30 posted on 09/19/2013 6:34:39 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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