Skip to comments.Looting hits Acapulco as Mexico storm death toll reaches 80
Posted on 09/19/2013 5:21:29 AM PDT by Kartographer
Tens of thousands of people have been trapped in the aftermath of two tropical storms that hammered vast swathes of Mexico. More than 1 million people have been affected. Acapulco's airport terminal was under water, stranding tourists. Shops were plundered in the city's upscale neighborhood of Diamante, home to luxury hotels and plush apartments, where dozens of cars were ruined by muddy brown floodwaters. Marines were posted outside stores to prevent further theft. "Unfortunately, it wasn't looting from need of food. It was stealing for stealing's sake," said Mariberta Medina, head of a local hoteliers' association. "They even stole Halloween and Christmas decorations and an outboard motor."
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I didn't know the storm names were already up to the letter 'L'. And TWO storms in one week? That's some seriously bad luck, there...
Interesting live-action lab experiment for us to watch.
I have outlined on other threads how quickly the looting and mayhem will start in any given SHTF scenario (only a matter of hours). We read here, that Marines were posted outside the stores.
How long did it take for them to get there?
On the average, how long does it take for order to reassert itself?
The world is seriously running out of vacation spots.
Sounds just like home.
If a crisis is localized, then security and rescue forces from the rest of a region can rush to the crisis zone like white blood cells responding to an infection. Katrina, Colorado, they will be repaired. The lesson from this type of event is that yes, people will panic and loot stores very quickly. The big risk is that if the power stays out for over a week across a broad region, order may break down completely, including police and first responders deserting their posts to take care of their own families.
Consider the possibility of flooding before buying a house - ask if it has flooded. Consider the safety of that neighborhood before buying, such as, is it close to a mall or other concentrated shopping area? Then store what you need for an emergency, and have a bug out bag with water and food and first aid kit.
If you were in Acapulco or other place where it flooded and you had to leave, at least you would have the bug out bag to keep you going based on how much you had in the bag.
At one time, I had a Real Estate Broker’s license and sold houses in the summer - I was not a good agent - because I told the truth. This was the Clear Lake Area, around NASA, and one particular subdivision had large and lovely homes. However, when a hurricane or tropical storm would come through, a number of those houses would flood every time. One of the owners of the company, a friend of mine, said do not tell potential buyers those houses flood - she said that is why we have insurance.
Told her I couldn’t do that, I would tell them. She was pissed at me. She lived in a house in that subdivision but her house had never flooded. About a month after she told me not to tell people, her house flooded and she went crazy with anxiety and worry over her “stuff”. “Miss Callous” not caring if other people flooded, was a basket case when hers flooded. I had no pity for her.
Did we, or not, see that instance in either Katrina, Sandy, or both?
:snicker: The Bride and I had bugout bags on our honeymoon...
I'm sure we ran off some buyers at the new developments because we told them about the floods. Of course, they'd look all surprised because the developers denied any problems. Too many times people don't do a little research on potential property. Oooh, it has granite and a pretty front door!!! The same ones complain later about the schools, sigh. No, nice counters don't cut it when it when life hits you in the face.
We've lived on the river since I was little. I'd never worried much about flooding because the house is high enough BUT times have changed and flooding is now at the top of my list. Back in the day, real humans would report on water levels and weather situations. Now days, someone sits at their computer and thinks they know what's happening a 100 miles away. It used to be that real humans would be at the dams monitoring and had sense enough when to open the flood gates BEFORE we had a flooding problem. Today, the bozos behind their computer screens wait until AFTER everyone has been flooded out before calling a meeting to discuss maybe opening the gates and if they decide to open them it's full on which floods those down stream. I used to not be within the 100 year flood zone but because of these idiots, new maps have had to be drawn up so now I am in the flood zone. You can call the LCRA clowns and tell them what the river is doing and they'll flat out say you have no idea what you're talking about because that's not what their computer is showing. Must be my lying eyes as I'm standing on my porch watching it all unfold. Even the local LE have lost their common sense because they'll have evacuations on one side of the river but not the other. Sure, Moses is going to part the waters so one side floods while the other won't. IDIOTS! Proof positive that we're all on our own so we better be prepared and aware.
OT but prepper related: Cilantro: More Than An Herb, It Can Purify Water Too
“So far, the researchers reported success in removing lead and nickel with their cilantro filters, and are studying how well the herb can removed other heavy metals found in the Tule Valley water such as arsenic and mercury. We are hoping we can look at how cilantro absorbs those metals, and see if those metals work in some kind of synergy when they come into contact with the biomass, says Schauer. We need to look at mixtures of metals to see if cilantro evenly pulls all the metals out.”
Katrina got close to being a regional disaster, but I don’t think Sandy qualifies. In both cases, within a week relief supplies were flowing in, along with a strong police and military presence.
If a disaster affects several states completely, even an unfixable power outage, things may go haywire on another level. No relief columns will be coming to a vast area. No power ensures looting food stores as we know. But after a week in a regional disaster, any vehicle that could be carrying food or fuel is likely to get hijacked at makeshift barricades. This lifts the social dynamic to another level. Gas and food trucks will have to be convoyed in with a massive security presence, slowing the relief etc.
A few weeks in a tri-state or larger area without power, will really be something new.
Nothing would happen we have been assured by any number of FReepers that everything would be just fine.
Even if it doesnt just use this guys plan and you will be fine! (See at 1:49)
And that doesn't begin to touch on the slow-to-medium recovery speed...
Post #12 is worthy of a thread all its own.
It depends. One day before Ike, all stores with water and food and plywood and gasoline were sold out. Power was out 5 days but people had bought out those stores so they were able to get through those days.
If it had lasted more than 5 days and gas could not be delivered, food would not be delivered because the trucks couldn't refuel, so they wouldn't come. Then, there would be chaos. The lady across from me had lunch meat and bread and some bottles of water and that was it. She had no way to warm or cook food. We furnished her with hot coffee every morning.
We tried to give her a can of Sterno and a Sterno stove and she wouldn't take it because she had never seen such a thing and was afraid of it. She is not old - she is in her 40s.
So, if power is out a week, gasoline must get there some way to be pumped or no food trucks are coming.
Gasoline and trucks - we can't exist without them. Well, I can, but most won't.
I saw that one when it first came on. That lady has all that food and supplies and thinks everyone is just wonderful and kind and has no firearms. Then, the idiot guy says he will feed the zombies (my word, not his) if they come and then he will decide if they stay or if he has to cut their throats (because he doesn't believe in guns, either) Surely, they will stand still and let him kill them.
Those nice folks will be dead immediately after the Zombies see all that food - and it isn't hidden, it's right there out in the open.
People will die and I can't save them. I have helped people prepare on this and another website, and that is all I can do.
Kart, I haven't seen a post on this thread yet from some duffus who says he has a gun and will take what he needs from one of us. I do so like responding to that by saying, “You will be asking for suicide by prepper.”
I think small to medium locations might self-rescue, depending on local factors. That is, “rule of law” will be reestablished, even without outside help. But in medium to larger towns, (again depending on many factors), total anarchy might break out after a week with no power and no outside food and water. Once trucks begin to be hijacked and robbed, all bets are off. It will come to resemble a war zone very fast as outlaw gangs fight for control of the remaining food, fuel etc.
“:snicker: The Bride and I had bugout bags on our honeymoon...”
What you didn’t know, was, she had her bag in case she left because she decided she didn’t like you. :o)
Yeah, that’s a lot like how I see it.
A lot of people locally here keep begging to know what kind of timeline to prep for. They want numbers, figures and stats.
They don’t quite realize flexibility is a virtue.
And for sure, have enough to survive a month on your own property without resupply. Two weeks bare minimum. Food, water, meds, everything. The few weeks after a crisis, during a no-power situation, the police will be busy protecting VIPs, the infrastructure, and themselves. There will be no 911. If you have to go out foraging for food during those first weeks, it could prove fatal. Too many starving and rage-filled folks will be out looking for the same non-existent food.
Personally, I’ve always used the 30-day benchmark. We’ve got a lot of newbies who are finally waking up, and they are asking newbie questions.
But at least they’re asking...
If you don’t survive to the 30 day mark, you have zero chance of surviving to a year.
That's an astute analysis. People tend to believe: If a disaster isn't happening, then it won't happen. They are sheep. If the power company gives them notice the power will be off for 4 hours, then they believe that because they were told when it was going to happen. Same with the water company, they send out message water will be out for 6 hours for repair - so they prepare for that.
They have to have a definite problem at a definite time before they make a move to prepare. That will work for small stuff, but not a large disaster as there isn't time to prepare all they would need. Then, some/many of them will lose their lives.
What you said is true: Being flexible to respond can save your life. Being rigid will get you killed.
I did a year.
Like I said, at least they’re STARTING to break the normalcy bias.
The main thing that I’m tilting at windmills over, is to get them to stop talking about tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories, and keep them focused on logistics.
That much aluminum in your diet is not nutritious.
Why, hey, pious folk, let US give these looters amnesty.
Of course, you have hurricanes in Florida, and based on the strength, you could be in a heap of trouble with houses down and transportation shut down for a long tine.
I knew a couple in Florida and he was just out of the Green Berets. Hurricane Andrew happened, they were not affected as they were fairly far away from there. He volunteered to go on a truck with water and MREs to take to the folks. The truck got there and they were overrun with a mob of people trampling other people and it was dangerous for them, so they drove that truck away from there. He said he would never volunteer for that again.
I have heard horrors out of Miami-Dade from those days.
I was living in south Orlando at the time. We had pretty stiff winds from the edges of Andrew, but it was NOTHING compared to after the storm.
I refer to the human debris that wafted up from the south. Bums, druggies, thugs, the wreck of humanity. The crime rate in Orlando tripled in just a few months. They followed the evacuees north, and crowded out the shelters from folks who really were displaced. It took years before the situation stabilized.
So, we need to consider the aftermath of a scenario, it seems. Just how long will it take for the reset? Who can say...
Still a work in progress. I am doing what I can for myself, and my kids and grandkids. So altogether 10 people for a minimum of 6 months which will get us to the next planting season.
Will continue to stock until there is enough for a whole year. I especially stock #10 cans of basic pantry foods that will be good for 10 to 20 years. If shtf doesn’t happen, I’ll have enough for me and hubby to last the rest of our lives at today’s prices.
We won’t be choosing between alpo and purina dog food, we’ll have nice nutritious beans, rice, and cornbread.LOL
Continuing to stock food we use all the time like canned fruits, veggies, tuna etc. when on sale for more than a year for the two of us depending on the use by date-push it a little beyond.
Even if we don’t get huge inflation, food at today’s prices is a good investment, because even small inflation adds up.
I just read that Milk could very well be up to 6 dollars a gallon by Christmas, so I bought a case of powdered at just a little over 3 bucks per gallon.
Sometime in the next 10 to 20 years, Milk will be costing more than 3 bucks per gallon, even if the December spike doesn’t happen so that’s a good investment.
Trouble is, I am going to have to build some more pantry shelves-mine are getting pretty full.LOL
It’s hard to know if it’s worth investing in safety shields when you are living on the shoulder of Mt Vesuvius in Pompeii.
I’m not going to compare prices or comment on quality/taste, but here’s the link for Honeyville Grain at 15% off and one for the LDS Church’s home food storage. The Mormons sell to non-members, and their products should at least be considered. Both are certainly worth considering.
“I especially stock #10 cans of basic pantry foods that will be good for 10 to 20 years.”
Most of my stored food is long life 20-25 yrs.
In Florida realtors are required to tell prospective buyers if the home is in a flood zone. The previous owners are also required to fill out a disclosure which asks if there has been any flooding.
It helps but isn’t perfect.
I had a private smile in my head when her house flooded.
Anyone have a good source for a hand-pump for well water? I recently had my well serviced and the tech said our water table is quite high, though we do have a bit of an iron problem.
I knew we never had well water problems in terms of running dry (the original well driller said we could supply water for the entire town, about 7K people at the time). We do have a lot of iron in the water, which long-term would not be good, but I can look into long-term solutions to that.
Thanks, still a newbie prepper mostly focusing on the 30 day benchmark and learning more survival skills for longer term.
Feel sure the guys can help you with this one. They know hand pumps.
Iron shouldn’t be a problem for drinking. It will be a problem for staining, fouling the well screen and pump and other plumbing. As a simple backup source your set.
Kartographer, Thanks for the heads up.
And that reminds me -
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In an emergency you can use a divice called a well bucket.
Well drillers use them to sample the water in a well before a pump is installed.
They are simple devices and you can buy one or make one yourself.
Just Google "Well Bucket" or "DIY well Bucket".
If you are interested, here are a couple links to get you started:
How To Get Water From A Drilled Well When The Power Is Off
(this one also includes instructions for a type of home-made emergency well pump)
Lehman's has a selection of hand pumps for wells, both shallow and deep.
See them here: