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Report links antibiotics at farms to human deaths
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Posted on 09/19/2013 6:06:41 AM PDT by chessplayer

Washington -- The Centers for Disease Control on Monday confirmed a link between routine use of antibiotics in livestock and growing bacterial resistance that is killing at least 23,000 people a year.

CDC Director Thomas Frieden called for urgent steps to scale back and monitor use, or risk reverting to an era when common bacterial infections of the urinary tract, bloodstream, respiratory system and skin routinely killed and maimed.

"We will soon be in a post-antibiotic era if we're not careful," Frieden said. "For some patients and some microbes, we are already there."

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Wonderful. We're reverting back to the 1700's. My sister died from a blood infection she got in the hospital. Every anti-biotic they tried on her was useless. We're very rapidly heading for the day when all anti-biotics are useless. What a gift we are leaving to newborn babies and toddlers now growing up, eh? And the damn farm lobby is too powerful to stop the anti-biotic abuse.
1 posted on 09/19/2013 6:06:41 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

oh bull hockey

this is more of the food control garbage this administration is trying to foist on us


2 posted on 09/19/2013 6:13:22 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: chessplayer

Big Pharma shakes hands with Big Farmers. A pact made in hell.


3 posted on 09/19/2013 6:19:16 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: yldstrk

We can trust Big Ag because no Big Business has ever lied to us ... ever.


4 posted on 09/19/2013 6:19:23 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: yldstrk

You mean this is another plot to take your guns away by the commie/nazi/muzzy/hippy/scientist/running dogs?


5 posted on 09/19/2013 6:22:03 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

guns?

No, meat


6 posted on 09/19/2013 6:23:37 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: chessplayer

Somehow, the Republicans and the Tea Party are at fault! I’m sure of it!!!


7 posted on 09/19/2013 6:32:39 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: yldstrk

What you’re saying— I think— is that antibiotics increase meat production in cattle. The antibiotic used are the oldest and most common.

The real cause of anti-biotic resistance— the AIDS epidemic, the resurgence diseases like tuberculosis, unmonitored treatment of irresponsible patients, uncontrolled immigration, and declining R&D by pharmaceuticals— can’t be discussed.

Farmers and ranchers are the culprits of last resort.l


8 posted on 09/19/2013 6:35:34 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: yldstrk

My sister died because anti-biotics were useless for her. A few months ago I had a bad tooth infection and was prescribed penicillin. It had always worked in the past but didn’t this time. The infection just kept getting worse. Luckily my dentist found an anti-biotic that did work. So don’t try to hand me that crap that anti-botic resistance are just govt scare stories. Are you a cattle farmer?


9 posted on 09/19/2013 6:35:37 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Oh I too almost died from pneumonia being treated to no avail with Biaxin, so yes, I am familiar with the problem. What I am questioning is the lack of connection between that issue and the purported cause-—meat.

Evidence is a little emaciated to say the least.

Nope, I am not a cattle farmer and don’t know any either.


10 posted on 09/19/2013 6:39:51 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: chessplayer

Sorry to hear about your loss and especially how your sister died. What a tragedy.


11 posted on 09/19/2013 6:41:12 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: tsomer

bingo!


12 posted on 09/19/2013 6:41:41 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: tsomer

Yep...it’s the ranchers

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3068602/posts


13 posted on 09/19/2013 6:45:15 AM PDT by wyokostur
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To: yldstrk
I think you are discounting the vectors too quickly. It's not eating meat, it's the pathogens on the SURFACE of the meat. We all know about the problems of contaminated fruits and vegetables sickening hundreds of people due to surface contamination. It seems logical that the same vector would apply to processed meat, as well.


14 posted on 09/19/2013 6:45:44 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

wow, so by your lil chart there, people should not be allowed to take antibiotics either because it encourages the spread of drug resistant bacteria...........

you must be one of those organic food nuts, but has anyone ever told you that “organic” food is absolutely filthy with all kinds of manure loaded with bacteria (non-chemical fertilizer) and insects?

I do not prefer “organic” filthy food.


15 posted on 09/19/2013 6:51:56 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: tsomer

Nobody wants to talk about the antimicrobial infused plastic children’s toys/products that are now inundating bacterial petri dishes known as landfills.


16 posted on 09/19/2013 6:52:38 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: tsomer

oh you forgot to mention people refusing vaccinations and immunizations............


17 posted on 09/19/2013 6:52:45 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

It would be much better if we developed resistance to what you are calling “filthy” lol

These near sterile living conditions that most of the first world practices... with cleansers that also purport to be anti bacterial, do not allow the body to develop its natural defenses.

There was also a period of decades where Drs would placate patients by prescribing them antibiotics for simple colds(which are viral).


18 posted on 09/19/2013 7:04:48 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: tsomer

Prophylactic use of antibiotics is never beneficial, but it has become the norm for corporate farming. Such use creates resistant strains as surely as specifically culturing them. Add that to the standard practice of overprescription with the patients not following their regimens, and you end up with systemic problems.

All the R&D in the world is not going to fix stupid.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 7:05:23 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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To: Katya

well we do live in a clean environment, if you have ever traveled outside the US, you can see our environment is really clean and nice


20 posted on 09/19/2013 7:08:20 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
"I am not a cattle farmer and don’t know any either."

The article is correct, and the problem is not limited to the United States. And, it's not just cattle. It's also (and probably much more frequently) poultry. AB's are routinely added to the water supply to keep the flocks from contracting diseases. Such routine addition where there is no active infection condition should NOT be allowed.

Make no mistake about it, this is one major reason for the development of antibiotic resistance.

Our family farm at one time or another raised both cattle and chickens. The cattle were treated only when ill. The chickens were routinely and regulary dosed with antibiotics. This was back in the days when nobody had ever heard (or even thought) of antibiotic resistance. And we sold the farm long ago.

21 posted on 09/19/2013 7:20:00 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: chessplayer

The article is pretty much hooey. Farmers and the government have been aware of, and have been controlling, antibiotics use for decades, and are very aware of overuse problems and try to avoid them. Here are some good references, the first is simple, the second more detailed.

Animal Health Institute:

http://www.ahi.org/issues-advocacy/animal-antibiotics/

Pork industry (though really, “Pork Cares” as a slogan?):

http://www.porkcares.org/h56hu/index.html?gclid=CMP4id_T17kCFY9xQgodwBkAsg


22 posted on 09/19/2013 7:26:50 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: chessplayer

I’m not a hand sanitizer mom like so many other parents I know. We’ve even switched our hand soaps to regular soap and not antibacterial soap. I insist my kids get dirty. We rarely use antibiotics, and I think each of them has only been on them twice. My family is quite healthy, and I think one of the reasons is because of dirt.


23 posted on 09/19/2013 7:27:03 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: chessplayer

I’ve long thought the routine use of antibiotics in animal feed to marginally improve productivity is madness. We put people in jail for the misuse of opiate painkillers, but have few controls over the use and misuse of antibiotics. It’s going to cost lives.


24 posted on 09/19/2013 7:43:35 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like tractor.)
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To: chessplayer

The meds administered to cattle must cease 60-90 days prior to slaughter, depending on the med. That is so there are no traces of the meds in the animals system.

These meds area administered IM, intramuscular, or sub cue, under the skin. They are not administered orally, that is by mouth or via the feed. This is significant, The drugs admnistered to your sister IM or IV would have been ineffective orally. The same is true of the cattle drugs. Even if the drugs were present in the meat, it would have no effect on you, at least not as an antibiotic.

Furthermore, were it true that antibiotics were present in meat available for sale, news agencies would go down to their local store, buy some meat, have it tested, and tada, major news story, tainted meat, but that is not the case. To my knowledge, no one has done such a thing and it is simple enough to trace.

Also, we must keep our cattle meds cool. I would suspect that cooking the meat thoroughly would kill any effectiveness of any trace meds in meat.

Finally, if this were true, why do we not see a problem with dogs and cats? Carcasses go to renderers for whom there is no withdrawl times for meds. OF course this stuff is so thoroughly processed, it is unlikely that any meds present could survive with their effectiveness in tact.

Yes, I work around cattle.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 7:47:12 AM PDT by rey
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To: yldstrk

Grow & butcher your own.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 7:53:22 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I buy my beef from the cowboy down the road. Clean grass fed natural meat.


27 posted on 09/19/2013 7:57:52 AM PDT by SisterK (Alex Jones is starting to make sense these days)
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To: chessplayer
And the damn farm lobby is too powerful to stop the anti-biotic abuse.

Those aren't farms; they're animal factories.

28 posted on 09/19/2013 8:58:42 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Thank you. She had hurt her knee at home and could barely stand or walk. Went to the hospital, got one of those super bugs, and there was nothing they could do for her.


29 posted on 09/19/2013 9:00:10 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: yldstrk
wow, so by your lil chart there, people should not be allowed to take antibiotics either because it encourages the spread of drug resistant bacteria...........

Leaping to extended conclusions for rhetorical purposes does no service to the discussion. There are several reasons for antibiotic resistance developing in people, the most notable of which is individuals who do not complete their course because "I feel fine now." The drugs then kill all but the most resistant strains and slowly select them to develop resistant populations. This is not to say that antibiotics should not be prescribed, but they probably are over-prescribed and we do have the problem of non-compliant patients. The two complications abet each other.

I do not prefer “organic” filthy food.

Organic food is a mixed bag, but to call all organically grown food "filthy" degrades your argument to the point of incredibility.

30 posted on 09/19/2013 9:05:47 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

Just like the Navy Yard shooting...sequestration’s fault!


31 posted on 09/19/2013 12:44:11 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: yldstrk

yes indeed, I’ve traveled far and wide lol there are also countries that are much more fastidious about cleanliness than we are..for example Germany.
Far more troubling are the amount of antibacterial products we are using to clean. It’s quite worrisome, children are growing up with no defense mechanisms with the advent of super bugs on the horizon.

As far as bio/organic produce which you see as “filthy” lol because they contain bugs and other things commonly found outdoors? Warning... don’t wander too far outside.


32 posted on 09/20/2013 7:27:11 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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I know I have always admired the German cleanliness

And the bug thing, I used to buy that organic garbage til my cabinets kept hatching the meal moths from the stuff I bought, so now, it’s strictly the stuff with no bugs. Bugs outside don’t bother me so much. I hate having them in m house.


33 posted on 09/20/2013 7:33:11 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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