Bills Would Require Michiganders To Work For Welfare, Pass Drug Test

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[Gopher Broke]

LANSING (WWJ) - Could this mean the end of welfare as we know it?

A bill has passed in the Michigan Senate that would require those receiving public assistance to do some “volunteer” work. Another bill, which passed the House Commerce Committee, requires drug testing, revoking benefits for welfare recipients who refuse the test or who test positive.

“What [the legislation] does, it says, in order for your to receive your cash assistance, your welfare check, you must provide some kind of community service to the community,” said the volunteer work bill’s sponsor, State Senator Joe Hune, who represents Livingston and Shiawasse counties in Mid-Michigan.

Hune says he was inspired by a constituent who began to volunteer while on welfare — and that community service evolved into full employment.

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It’s already been tried and found “unconstitutional” by at least one Marxist court (can’t remember what state.) Holder’s “jus’ dis” department will attack in furiously.

[Boonie]

I have said for years if someone wants a welfare check and they are NOT disabled mentally or physically, they should meet a truck Monday thru Friday and get a shovel or trash pick stick and spend at least 6 hours per day out cleaning our parks and roadways............

[reaganaut]

This is taken from the Mormon church’s ‘welfare’ program. Not a bad idea for government, but a horrible idea for a church.

[carlo3b]

...the Chinese axiom “Give a man a fish, and you have fed him once. Teach him how to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime.”
THIS IS A FIRST STEP.. I am not setting off fireworks quite yet.. Nor do I revel in the pain this work program will cause with some truly needy family members caught in the net, but with most solutions to any major problem, there needs to be a beginning that will need to be corrections to bring the desired results..

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, and where and when did it start? The problem is, and always has been, POVERTY, and the poor folks that suffer from the consequences.. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION, and how can we solve it? “Ay, there’s the rub”

Let’s face it folks, there has always been “THE UNFORTUNATE FEW”, and there will always be a desire to help those who, are truly needy.. That was, and is the predicament..

Through the ages, families and friends, and entire communities, have taken it upon themselves to “share their lot, with those have not”.. However, with that help came a stigma of shame, because the sharers gave what themselves, didn’t have.. To help others, was the reward, in-and-of-itself.. CHARITY..

It was only when Government’s and so called leaders, in the face of overwhelming need, GREAT DEPRESSION, FAMINE, NATURAL DISASTERS, WAR, attempted to assume that mantel, to fulfill that role.. And that began what has become a slippery slope..

An early attempt at a government solution was the “Widows’ and Orphans’ Pensions Act, 1935”.. This was the program of public assistance, to alleviate the public conscience of the results of WWI, the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl, etc, to create a safety net to the most venerable, and gave birth the what is now the, SOCIAL SECURITY system.. WORTHY, and TRUE..

However, That was then, and This is now.. There have been 1700+, new programs enacted in our Congress, and TRILLIONS of Dollars of added aid to solve real and imaged new programs since then.. The exists in every community, as many as 5 generations of families that have never held a job, or were required to put any effort forward to receive money, from our taxpayers’ general fund.. They are neither, Widows or Orphans, or anything resembling such, and yet entitled to a lifetime of income, “ad infinitum”, a Latin phrase meaning “to infinity” or “forevermore”.. Well, maybe not, we shall see..

Imagine a child, or children, waking up in a home, where not a single person in that home has ever held any gainful employment, EVER.. What role model does that provide, to end this insidious cycle? Two, three, four, FIVE generations of family that have never worked for the money they receive from other hardworking families who wake each day to earn a meager existence that are forced to share what they haven’t got with those who have never even tried.. It’s a failed system, and a cruel trap, for everyone involved..

SHOULD WE TRY TO STOP THIS INJUSTICE, and give these folks on both sides of the table a chance to regain some dignity, and others to keep what is rightfully theirs? I SAY YES, what say you?

[BlueMondaySkipper]

I’ve said for many years that one solution to the welfare state is for the government to never, ever give money to individuals without something in return.

And that something in return should be for the taxpayers, and not the government.

For example, I'm saddled with a huge tax bill. I also have lots of personal stuff that needs to be done, such as mowing the lawn, washing my car, shoveling snow, etc. The folks on welfare should have to do something for the taxpayers since we are the ones footing the bill. Come mow my lawn to free up some of my time since I'm paying for your welfare.

[cuban leaf]

And some people have been made poor BECAUSE of taxes.

[musicman]

"...what say you?"

[gundog]

I think that was on 4th Amendment grounds. Don’t know how you’d work it for welfare, but failing a drug test after being on unemployment would seem to me to be fraud, as you are required to be in employable condition.

[cripplecreek]

Yeah I doubt it will withstand the inevitable court challenges but I think it could be tweaked to make it more acceptable to the courts.

Maybe start with a low baseline amount that can be increased if the recipient submits to drug testing and increases more for community service.

[Me1onCollie]

It is long past time for welfare to have a “no increase” clause: if you’re not pregnant when you apply, the number of warm bodies RIGHT NOW is ALL that you get aid for.

There’s a Klanned Barrenhood on every other street corner and ‘free’ birth control; unless you were raped you have absolutely no excuse. This will also help put a stop to people intentionally having more brats to increase their check size.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Gopher Broke.

NAACP leaders: Efforts to block Obamacare and change election laws a ‘subversion of democracy’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3069271/posts

[snip] Members of the Michigan State Conference NAACP are gathering in Kalamazoo this weekend to consider how to address the “mass movement to subvert democracy” in the United States, convention speakers said. [/snip]

(psst! mass movement to subvert democracy? really?)