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Verizon's Plan to Break the Internet
SaveTheInternet ^ | 9/18/13 | Timothy Karr

Posted on 09/19/2013 6:42:01 AM PDT by shego

Verizon has a big plan for the Internet. And if that doesn't worry you, it should.

The company is trying to overturn the Federal Communications Commission's Open Internet Order, which prevents Internet service providers from blocking, throttling or otherwise discriminating against online content.

And in court last Monday, Verizon lawyer Helgi Walker made the company's intentions all too clear, saying the company wants to prioritize those websites and services that are willing to shell out for better access. She also admitted that the company would like to block online content from those companies or individuals that don't pay Verizon's tolls....

In court last week, the judges asked whether the company intended to favor certain websites over others.

"I'm authorized to state from my client today," Verizon attorney Walker said, "that but for these rules we would be exploring those types of arrangements."

Walker's admission might have gone unnoticed had she not repeated it at least five times during oral arguments.

In response to Judge Laurence Silberman's line of questioning about whether Verizon should be able to block any website or service that doesn't pay the company's proposed tolls, Walker said: "I think we should be able to; in the world I'm positing, you would be able to."

(Excerpt) Read more at savetheinternet.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Technical
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; censorship; internet; verizon
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The parade of evil just keeps emanating from Verizon -- first, climbing into bed with Big Brother, then attacking companies that use what little legal leverage they have to push for reform, and now outright declaring a plan to block sites (like this one) that don't cough up "protection" payments (or, given the liberal leanings of most establishment types, probably taking the money and blocking FR anyway).

All paid for by special government "local franchise" gifts protecting the incumbent carriers from competition.

1 posted on 09/19/2013 6:42:01 AM PDT by shego
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To: shego

Fascism.


2 posted on 09/19/2013 6:43:46 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: shego

down with Verizon and their evil plots


3 posted on 09/19/2013 6:44:11 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SC_Pete

Yep. Most people are too squeamish to call this sort of corporate-government partnership to control the rest of us what it is; good for you for being the exception.


4 posted on 09/19/2013 6:44:44 AM PDT by shego
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To: shego

They must want to go bankrupt and join MCI in the trash bin of history...............


5 posted on 09/19/2013 6:46:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong. .....Voltaire)
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To: shego; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; ...

6 posted on 09/19/2013 6:48:06 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: shego

I can trade in this 3g Verizon phone on something from AT&T, T-Mobile or another carrier this afternoon.

I’ll take my 5 family members with me too.

Want to watch, Verizon?


7 posted on 09/19/2013 6:49:32 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Why haven't we heard from the 30 Benghazi survivors?)
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To: ShadowAce

I particularly “love” the weaseliness of, on the one hand, declaring that, golly geez, they have to get in bed with Big Brother because they are just following the law — and then, on the other hand, trying to overturn laws that inconveniently require them to actually provide their customers with the service (access to the Internet sites of the customers’ choice) they purchased.


8 posted on 09/19/2013 6:50:43 AM PDT by shego
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To: SC_Pete

Another one of these weird issues which has the potential to unite the Tea Party with elements of the far Left.


9 posted on 09/19/2013 6:51:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: shego

There is no law. There is an illegal determination by Obama’s FCC that they can impose “net neutrality”.


10 posted on 09/19/2013 6:55:36 AM PDT by free me (Do it.....Sign & Endorse today!!! www.dontfundobamacare.com)
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To: Uncle Miltie
I can trade in this 3g Verizon phone on something from AT&T, T-Mobile or another carrier this afternoon.

I’ll take my 5 family members with me too.

Want to watch, Verizon?

Do you know a way to get out of your contract without paying their extortion fee? I mean a way that really works? I've found a lot of sites that claim to be able to get out early, but they all depend on waiting for a change in service terms. I want to be able to get out immediately. BTW, if you do get out of their contract by paying their extortion fee, do you get to keep your phone and phone #?

11 posted on 09/19/2013 6:55:50 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: shego
We're on month-to-month service with Verizon. Any suggestions for a better carrier?

I shouldn't have to say it, but just in case... AT&T is not an option.

12 posted on 09/19/2013 7:03:35 AM PDT by OKSooner (What's the NCAA gonna do, suspend OSU from the first half of its first game next season?)
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To: shego; All
We're on month-to-month service with Verizon. Any suggestions for a better carrier?

I shouldn't have to say it, but just in case... AT&T is not an option.

13 posted on 09/19/2013 7:04:21 AM PDT by OKSooner (What's the NCAA gonna do, suspend OSU from the first half of its first game next season?)
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To: free me
Nonsense. It's long-settled law that a business can't sell you one thing (access to the Internet sites of your choice) and deliver something else (access to the Internet sites of their choice).
14 posted on 09/19/2013 7:06:37 AM PDT by shego
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To: OKSooner
Virgin Mobile
15 posted on 09/19/2013 7:09:08 AM PDT by Dysart (Being nuts has its advantages...and the machete doesn't hurt, either.)
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To: shego

I switch from Verizon on Sept 30, 2013, BECAUSE of this.


16 posted on 09/19/2013 7:13:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little Sgirl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: OKSooner

AIO is a new guy on the block. I’m going to look at them.


17 posted on 09/19/2013 7:14:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little Sgirl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: shego

“Net Neutrality”, the subject of the article, is NOT the law.


18 posted on 09/19/2013 7:15:11 AM PDT by free me (Do it.....Sign & Endorse today!!! www.dontfundobamacare.com)
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To: shego
BREAK UP the Bell System...NYNEX...Bell Atlantic...Verizon!!
19 posted on 09/19/2013 7:15:41 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: shego

Are we saying we’d disagree that a company owned by devoutly religious folks would have the right to discriminate against use of their service for porn sites, sites serving/promoting same sex marriage, not wearing shirts or shoes when using the service, or anything else that went against their beliefs?

What are the criteria here?


20 posted on 09/19/2013 7:20:00 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: shego

Verizon is totally evil, found that out long ago and cancelled all service.


21 posted on 09/19/2013 7:20:18 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: KrisKrinkle

Obviously, such a service could not be misrepresented as “internet access” — that would fall foul of the bait-and-switch issue noted above.


22 posted on 09/19/2013 7:24:40 AM PDT by shego
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To: shego
First, I have an AT&T cell phone, had it for over 16 yrs. As of this morning, there is a message from VERIZON on my house phone (local company, not Verizon) answering machine that tells me part of my phone is defective and I haven’t returned the defective part and if I don’t do it within 30 days, they will charge me up to $800. And, if I have questions, call “x” number.

What in the hell is that? I’m not calling them because I don’t use them and my cell phone is an AT&T product.

Maybe this is some kind of sales technique to get me to call and take their service??

23 posted on 09/19/2013 7:26:35 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

Why not post a link to the audio of the message and the number to call? I’m certain that many of us here would be able to vet it for you and let you know what it all means.


24 posted on 09/19/2013 7:46:50 AM PDT by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. They know!)
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To: shego

Don’t be too quick to call Verizon leftist or liberal. They make it a policy to go to war with the CWA every contract. They’ve had some nasty strikes and haven’t ever backed off when the CWA went thuggish. Verizon wants to make and keep as much money for its shareholders as possible. If that means out thugging the union, doing Big Brother’s work, or charging people to use its pathways and denying service to those who don’t pay then so be it. I remember 40 years ago after the Yom Kippur War and first oil boycott, after Nixon went Defcon 3 the 6th Fleet left Naples with half full fuel bunkers because the Saudis told Exxon Italy not to provide fuel for the Navy. During a Senate hearing afterwards Proxmire asked an Exxon rep if this was true. The rep. calmly said “ Yes.” Proxmire went ballistic. The words unpatriotic, traitor, treason resounded in the hearing room. The rep calmly responded, “ Senator Proxmire, the Exxon Corporation flies 37 flags and owes allegiance to none.” We live in a nation dominated by BIGs. Govt, Business Labor, you name it. I don’t know how to change it. Maybe the Tea Party shoud find areas on common interest with the saner elements of OWS.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 7:50:59 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: shego

Let’s JC Penny, Verizon! Put them out of business.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 8:06:22 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Who am I to judge homosexuals? That's what the Tony Awards are for.)
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To: shego

“Obviously, such a service could not be misrepresented as “internet access” — that would fall foul of the bait-and-switch issue noted above.”

How’s that work for a bakery, or a venue for weddings, or a bridal shop or anything else when the owners religious views conflict with a potential customer’s plan for use of the service?


27 posted on 09/19/2013 8:13:51 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Postman

The call was on my house phone answering machine so I don’t know and don’t see how, I could post a link to the audio.

I listened carefully this time to the message - this morning I hadn’t had my coffee before hearing that, so I didn’t listen carefully.

This recorded woman says they sent me a replacement device (guess she means a whole phone) and I had 5 days to return the defective one and I haven’t done it, and they can charge me the amount of the phone, which may be $500 (I thought it was 8). Then, she says I have 7 days to return it or be charged a late fee and she doesn’t say what the late fee is unless it is that $500. The customer service no. is 1-800-922-0204.

I don’t have their service nor their phone and haven’t received anything in the mail from them and I would surely know it if a phone was in my mail.

I went to their website and looked at all of the choices to get info. about defective devices and found nothing except call customer service.

I have an unlisted phone number for my house phone and got that near the end of 2011. I suppose whoever had this number before, if anyone did, could be who they are looking for. It isn’t me, for sure. And, why didn’t they call that cell phone number instead of my home number? I just checked my cell phone and there are no messages on it and it is AT&T service and their phone.


28 posted on 09/19/2013 8:34:00 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: shego

Not really squeamish most folks couldn’t give you a definition of fascism if you asked them . The definitions of socialism fascism Nazism communism aren’t taught in school anymore. Also students are generally discouraged from looking this up on their own.


29 posted on 09/19/2013 8:35:30 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: OKSooner

im happy with my trac fone - coverage is spotty but for 9.95/mos - its all i need


30 posted on 09/19/2013 8:54:55 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (if "meat is murder" what is abortion?)
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To: shego

Verizon is currently the poster child of corporate fascism.

They are apparently in bed with every legislative body in the US from congress to your local city council member. The “pillow talk” or under the sheets payola enables them to do what they do with their plans and services.

Combine that with often better service versus lesser service and reliability of other wireless providers enables them to be the poster child of corporate fascism.


31 posted on 09/19/2013 8:58:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: shego
Except that law doesn't apply to the Fedgov and those who pay for it.

I have been stung a few times. Contracts aren't as golden as they used to be.

32 posted on 09/19/2013 9:05:20 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Marcella

This is scam being done by out of country crooks.

They have spoofed the Verizon number and trying to get your last 4 SS #’s and of course a credit card.

Don’t call them and have any call from that number forwarded to your local DA’s office handling scams.

Go the link below and check out what I have noted above:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-922-0204


33 posted on 09/19/2013 9:11:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: Marcella

It’s a phishing scam. Ignore it.


34 posted on 09/19/2013 9:12:15 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: shego

This has nothing to do with evil or morals or getting in bed with the government. The question is does Verizon have the right to charge for the amount of data that is carried over its network.

The amount of data that can be carried over a network is limited so the question is how to ration it in a way that maximizes Verizon’s revenue. Just like any other business. Why should you be allowed to have a continuos stream of HD videos, music, and games that hog bandwidth and be charged the same as someone who sends email and occasionally surfs the web?

Someone has to pay for the usage. Verizon is trying to get the free riders like Netflix to pay instead of charging all of the network users including non Netflix customers more.

Verizon would have a better case if it didn’t have monopoly agreements in most cities it serves. But then that is a local political issue that you cannot blame on Verizon.


35 posted on 09/19/2013 9:52:33 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Grampa Dave; Hoffer Rand

Thanks, guys. I read some of those complaints and that has to be what this is. I don’t answer my phone unless I know the number calling, and only my family and a couple of friends have this number. I surely won’t answer these crooked people.


36 posted on 09/19/2013 9:53:08 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: shego

This really sucks. If they were to implement this, I’d heartily approve the rest of the world blackholing ever single subnet they own. Their own customers will demand they stop.


37 posted on 09/19/2013 10:38:02 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Someone has to pay for the usage. Verizon is trying to get the free riders like Netflix to pay instead of charging all of the network users including non Netflix customers more.

In what way is Netflix a free rider? They don't have to pay for their internet connections? Wow! Cool deal! Where can I sign my company up for it? Facts are, the do pay for their internet access. Verizon (and others) appear to have a problem with the fundamental way the internet works. If Verizon wants Netflix or Google, or whomever to pay them for their internet access, then they should be competing to handle their internet business, not just attempting to bill a company they have no contractual basis with because their customers (you know, the people who actually do pay Verizion for internet access), want to get data from netflix.com

It's how the internet works. If you're a part of the backbone, and Verizon is, and they are paid well for it, then you agree to carry traffic generated elsewhere, just like others agree to carry your traffic. If they aren't interested in doing that, they can recreate the AOL Island experience. I'm sure they'll have customers falling all over themselves to get in line for that.

38 posted on 09/19/2013 10:50:14 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: zeugma

There is only a set amount of bandwidth that is available. Is Verizon supposed to finance capacity expansion so that Netflix can stream unlimited amounts of programming to every Verizon subscriber?

They amount of bandwidth consumed will be rationed one way or another. The question is how it will be rationed. I prefer charging those who use it the most the highest rates. So we will have pay by usage or we will have usage limits.


39 posted on 09/19/2013 11:15:02 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety
If they don't want to be in the internet business, then they should get out of it. You still didn't answer my question. How is netflix getting out of paying for its internet access? They do pay for the bandwith they use. You don't think they let the company hook up to big DS3 pipes for free do you?

Pushing this stuff through is just another way for them to go one step further towards the old cellphone scam, where they were charging both sides of the call for the same call.

Again, if they don't want to be an internet provider, they are welcome to leave that to companies that do.

40 posted on 09/19/2013 12:59:54 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: shego

———lawyer Helgi Walker———

A Breastister


41 posted on 09/19/2013 1:01:56 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
There is only a set amount of bandwidth that is available. Is Verizon supposed to finance capacity expansion so that Netflix can stream unlimited amounts of programming to every Verizon subscriber?
They amount of bandwidth consumed will be rationed one way or another. The question is how it will be rationed. I prefer charging those who use it the most the highest rates. So we will have pay by usage or we will have usage limits.

I have quoted your message in a manner that subtly reveals the answer to where Verizon is supposed to obtain its funding.

They sell bandwidth. People buy bandwidth (and pay more if they buy more, obviously). It's not their business to regulate what people do with that bandwidth once they have sold it (barring the obvious exception of attempting to sabotage the network).

42 posted on 09/19/2013 2:37:01 PM PDT by shego
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To: TheRhinelander
+1

.. and boyhowdy, did THAT ever feel GOOD !

43 posted on 09/19/2013 2:37:59 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Why should you be allowed to have a continuos stream of HD videos, music, and games that hog bandwidth and be charged the same as someone who sends email and occasionally surfs the web?

Someone who only sends email occasionally ought to buy the low-bandwidth option and save some money. If they choose to buy the high-bandwidth option and not use it to its capacity, well, it's they money to give away.

Certainly, Verizon is not entitled to sell X bytes-per-minute of bandwidth and then decide that you only get x/10 if you surf to a site that hasn't cut a special deal with them... or x/infinity if you surf to a site on their blacklist (e.g. a site that keeps harping on all that inconvenient "Constitution" stuff like this one).

44 posted on 09/19/2013 2:40:44 PM PDT by shego
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To: Grampa Dave
Verizon is currently the poster child of corporate fascism. They are apparently in bed with every legislative body in the US from congress to your local city council member.

Considering the business they are in, they don't have a choice. Almost all big businesses are in bed with Big Government. That's why Palin says she's pro market, not pro-business.

45 posted on 09/19/2013 2:42:55 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

“...with a potential customer’s...”

I have a contract with Verizon, and they are changing the terms of the contract. If not for the contract, and I didn’t like how they were doing things, I wouldn’t use them. I guess that is why folks are looking at that as a way to get out of Verizon if they choose.

With the bakery, the guy coming in off the street does not have a contract with them. As a private business, they should be able to decide who they want to do business with, and what products they will sell. I go into a Vegan store and demand that they give me a steak is dumb. As dumb as getting all mad if I go into a bakery and they won’t give me a homo cake because they don’t sell them.


46 posted on 09/19/2013 2:54:33 PM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: 21twelve
I have a contract with Verizon, and they are changing the terms of the contract. If not for the contract, and I didn’t like how they were doing things, I wouldn’t use them. I guess that is why folks are looking at that as a way to get out of Verizon if they choose.
With the bakery, the guy coming in off the street does not have a contract with them. As a private business, they should be able to decide who they want to do business with, and what products they will sell. I go into a Vegan store and demand that they give me a steak is dumb. As dumb as getting all mad if I go into a bakery and they won’t give me a homo cake because they don’t sell them.

Another complication is that the government (mostly on the state and local levels, but federal regulations reinforce it) prevents real free-market competition in broadband -- typically, there are two options at best (local phone company and local cable company), which is nowhere near enough to prevent collusion and abuse.

47 posted on 09/19/2013 2:58:05 PM PDT by shego
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To: 21twelve

So your ok with Verizon doing this and establishing a precedent for others to follow? (Please take that as a straight up request for information.)


48 posted on 09/19/2013 3:53:10 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: tomkat

When we switched to cable phone they wouldn’t released our old number (illegal). After a bad ice storm the phone wire to the house was hanging, I called, they came out and cut it (also probably illegal).


49 posted on 09/19/2013 5:34:29 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Moonman62

“Considering the business they are in, they don’t have a choice. Almost all big businesses are in bed with Big Government. That’s why Palin says she’s pro market, not pro-business.”

Unfortunately, you are correct.

My big eye opener re big business in bed with big government came with the pictures of the CEO/Whores flocking to be photoed with Clintoon and the ChiComs.

Since then it has gotten worse. With more and more CEO’s in bed with the rats. ObamaCare may be waking up some of these knee padders.


50 posted on 09/20/2013 8:49:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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