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(SC) Eighth-graders learn that cops can seize guns for no reason
The Daily Caller ^ | 9-19-2013 | Eric Owens

Posted on 09/19/2013 8:36:00 AM PDT by servo1969

An eighth-grade history teacher in rural Campobello, S.C. allegedly gave a pop quiz on the Constitution this week that left the parents of one quiz taker highly irate.

Specifically, the parents took issue with a quiz question involving gun rights, reports journalist Ben Swann at Benswann.com. They say the unnamed teacher erroneously marked their daughter’s answer wrong.

The question was a hypothetical scenario:

“Mr. Jones’ gun was confiscated at a police traffic stop, even though he had the proper permit and license of ownership of the gun.”

The first sub-part to the question asked: “Is this situation Constitutional?” The second and third sub-parts ask students to identify the amendment at issue and state the relevant text.

The student indicated that the situation as described is not constitutional. The teacher allegedly marked this answer wrong, scribbling out the word “no” and writing “yes.”

The also student wrote that the amendment at issue is the Fourth Amendment, which protects Americans from unreasonable searches and seizures. That, too, was scribbled out and changed to the Second Amendment.

(The girl’s answer for the third part is not visible.)

The National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legal Action notes that people generally don’t need a permit to buy or own a rifle, shotgun or handgun in South Carolina.

Assuming the gun at issue is a handgun and not, say, a hunting rifle, Section 16-23-20 of the South Carolina Code of Laws forbids people from carrying handguns. However, the law then provides 16 broad exceptions to this prohibition. Among those exceptions are (9) carrying the handgun in a closed compartment in a vehicle and (15) transferring a handgun between two places where handguns are legal.

Perhaps the teacher is a New Mexico transplant. As Reason.com notes, the Land of Enchantment’s state supreme court ruled in 2011 that the safety of police officers trumps the constitutional rights of gun owners in cars.

New Mexico state law has very little influence in South Carolina.

Across the country, a number of teachers and school districts have been giving strangely ambiguous information about the civil right that is gun ownership.

At Guyer High School in Denton, Texas, for instance, an Advanced Placement U.S. History textbook watered down the Second Amendment this way: “The people have a right to keep and bear arms in a state militia.”

The full text of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist; campobello; education; guncontrol; secondamendment; southcarolina
I really despise public school.
1 posted on 09/19/2013 8:36:01 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Does this ‘teacher’ have a name and email address?


2 posted on 09/19/2013 8:41:50 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: servo1969

The original question is incoherent. Mr. Jones gun was confiscated at a stop? Ownership license? No such thing?


3 posted on 09/19/2013 8:45:35 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: servo1969

Although I’m 55 this year (and counting)...I have this memory of the eigth grade.

The science teacher skipped around the entire science book over the year....and I came to realize by the end of the school year that we had finished the entire book except for the chapter on evolution. It was a comical way to refuse to discuss the matter...but the teacher was a Baptist.

The math teacher wasted almost twelve weeks of the school year teaching us what should have been taught in two weeks. Incompetent and should have been let go by the school.

The history teacher summed up the entire Revolutionary War in three days, with thirty names or phrases for the test. We spent almost six weeks on the Civil War. And we wrapped up WW II in two days.

So no, I’m not surprised. Nothing much has changed in forty years....lousy instructors...bad books...and lack of any instruction.


4 posted on 09/19/2013 8:53:46 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: servo1969

I really despise public school.


Me too. It is a 19th century paradigm that outlived its usefulness for education in the late 20th century. It is no longer a good thing.

Unfortunately for me, my disdain for public schools comes out in my 122 mile round trip commute every morning, almost all on “non-freeways”. I’m rather agressive regarding passing school busses, regardless of what direction they are going.


5 posted on 09/19/2013 8:55:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: servo1969

I guess if you want a decent grade, you go along to get along.

Her parents should pull her out now.


6 posted on 09/19/2013 8:55:44 AM PDT by goldi
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To: cuban leaf; servo1969

...but I should mention that I am also hyper-informed about my state’s laws regarding passing school busses. For starters, flashing yellow light have absolutely no legal standing. They are treated exactly like yellow traffic lights. They are warning you that your legal rights are about to change when you see the red.

That is very useful information.


7 posted on 09/19/2013 8:58:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Best time to pass a SB is anytime that red light is not flashing...

BTW..most school bus drivers are road bullies.....


8 posted on 09/19/2013 9:24:44 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: PilotDave

“The original question is incoherent. Mr. Jones gun was confiscated at a stop? Ownership license? No such thing?”

The purpose of the question is to promote the idea of gun control.


9 posted on 09/19/2013 9:31:34 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Best time to pass a SB is anytime that red light is not flashing...


In my research I found out that in Iowa it is illegal to pass a school bus with the yellow lights flashing, if you are both traveling the same direction. But that’s not my state. ;)


10 posted on 09/19/2013 10:29:03 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

BTW..most school bus drivers are road bullies.....-——————————
I had one full of kids race me once.

I was in my scion stopped behind the bus on a four lane road. I was in the left lane and the right lane was closed a couple hundred yards up. The bus was stopped in the right lane picking up kids.

She literally started up while the stop sign flap was still out and her red lights flashing. I stayed right behind her, but in the inside lane as we both accelerated. She eventually had to bring the sign in while simultaneously turning on her left turn signal. Once that sign went in I floored it and she almost had to slam on her brakes to avoid hitting cones. It would have been easier for both of us had I not been in a first generation Scion xB.

She REALLY wanted in front of me and I REALLY did not want to stop another four times in a mile.


11 posted on 09/19/2013 10:33:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: ltc8k6

Ahhh, I see now. Less stupid, more evil. Thank you.


12 posted on 09/19/2013 10:55:51 AM PDT by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: cuban leaf
I believe it....I used to have a bus driver the would stop at a “T” intersection one block from my house. She would be heading in the opposite direction of me when I pulled out of the driveway. She would keep her lights (red!) flashing while she did a three point turn around using the other road. Then, if you were stuck behind her you would get caught at the 100 stops between my house and where she would turn off the main road. I finally got sick and tired of her using the law as a way to hold up the traffic stopped on the opposite side of the road so I would pull up and block the intersection so she would HAVE to let me by to do her “k” turn....One day she blocked to road and called the cops to say I was pulling up to close to her...that was the last time I saw her driving a bus. She near had a riot on her hands when she blocked the whole road.
I have NO, read ABSOLUTLY NONE, respect for school bus drivers.
13 posted on 09/19/2013 11:02:48 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: rightwingextremist1776

The busses on 31W here northbound between Radcliff and Elizabethtown (divided four lane) will leave the red light flashing after they pick up the kids and then get into the left lane so they can turn left at the next intersection.

One of the annoying things about school buses is that people often don’t know how to react to the flashing reds. They don’t know for sure when they have to stop when going the other direction on anything other than a two lane road. It causes dangerous situations sometimes.


14 posted on 09/19/2013 11:24:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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