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Pope Francis: Catholic Church must focus beyond "small-minded rules"
CBS ^ | 19 Sep 13 | CBS staff writer

Posted on 09/19/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot

VATICAN CITY Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

Six months into his papacy, Francis set out his vision for the church and his priorities as pope in a lengthy and remarkably blunt interview with La Civilta Cattolica, the Italian Jesuit magazine. It was published simultaneously Thursday in Jesuit journals in 16 countries, including America magazine in the U.S.

John Allen, a senior correspondent with the National Catholic Reporter, told CBS Radio News the pope is not changing church policy but makes it clear that he wants a less judgmental church.

"I think he is conscious that he's at a sort of make-or-break moment where the kind of pope he wants to be - if he wants to affect real change - he's got to be explicit about it," Allen said.

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In the 12,000-word article, Francis expands on his ground-breaking comments over the summer about gays and acknowledges some of his own faults. He sheds light on his favorite composers, artists, authors and films (Mozart, Caravaggio, Dostoevsky and Fellini's "La Strada") and says he prays even while at the dentist's office.

But his vision of what the church should be stands out, primarily because it contrasts so sharply with many of the priorities of his immediate predecessors, John Paul II and Benedict XVI. They were both intellectuals for whom doctrine was paramount, an orientation that guided the selection of a generation of bishops and cardinals around the globe.

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1 posted on 09/19/2013 2:46:04 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“small minded rules”
I have never thought of sin as “small mind rules”.


2 posted on 09/19/2013 2:47:21 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: SkyPilot; lightman

I’m a “recovering Methodist”, but is the Pope really considered God’s spokesman on earth?


3 posted on 09/19/2013 2:49:25 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: svcw

Beware of Jesuits...the liberal branch of the Catholic Church.


4 posted on 09/19/2013 2:50:44 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory ... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: All

This Papacy is going to be a disaster.

The 50% that voted for the most radical abortion supporter in US Presidential history....those Catholics are emboldened all over the web today, including on Raymond Arroyo’s FB page.

Prepare for more ambiguity, confusion, relativism and scandal.


5 posted on 09/19/2013 2:51:34 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: SkyPilot
Ah, thankfully not in Religion forum, where any stray comment is construed as Catholic bashing.

I'm going to say that this new pope just gives me the willies. His cuteness, for instance, always too cute by half. Wants to play the eccentric, when people find comfort in maintaining little traditions like red shoes...and that was just the beginning. He keeps wanting to pretend that he's a man of the masses, worries security, is unconventional for the sake of it. Then there's the Jesuit "liberation theology" undercurrent.

Why this guy? Was Benedict forced out? I think we are in a world of hurt. When Jon Stewart approves, w are in trouble.

6 posted on 09/19/2013 2:52:46 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I am not Catholic but I’ve had good words to say about Francis before. I hope I don’t have to take those back.


7 posted on 09/19/2013 2:55:50 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Jesuits are Catholic? That’s funny. At my Jesuit school they made it very clear they were not a Catholic school, they were Jesuit.


8 posted on 09/19/2013 2:56:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SkyPilot; NYer; zot; carriage_hill; lightman; rbmillerjr; Mamzelle

see NYer’s post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3068815/posts before going off on the CBS anti-Christian report/diatribe

It begins: Pope, in sweeping interview, compares Church with ‘field hospital’ for wounded society

Thursday, September 19, 2013 4:19:26 PM · by NYer · 13 replies
Catholic Culture ^ | September 19, 2013 | Diogenes

In a broad-ranging interview, Pope Francis has underlined the need for the Church “to heal wounds and to warm the hearts of the faithful.” “Ministers of the church must be ministers of mercy above all,” the Pope insists in the course of a 12,000-word interview. Conducted by Father Antonio Spadaro, the editor of the Italian Jesuit journal La Civilta Cattolica, the interview was translated and published simultaneously by other Jesuit publications, including the American magazine America.


9 posted on 09/19/2013 2:56:41 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: svcw

bttt


10 posted on 09/19/2013 2:57:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statemeYup. My first thought as wt of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: svcw
He's already told atheists to live according to their conscience and they'll be just fine.
11 posted on 09/19/2013 3:00:37 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: Gamecock

Oh, yea......all paths lead to God or whatever.


12 posted on 09/19/2013 3:02:23 PM PDT by svcw (Stand or die)
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To: svcw; darkangel82

See my post # 9. Remember: Do not trust CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN to give an honest report on anything Christian and especially any interview with Pope Francis.


13 posted on 09/19/2013 3:02:45 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: SkyPilot

“small-minded rules”

....

From THE mind? From the greatest mind that has ever or will ever exist?

This seems so at odds with the Pope’s statements before he became the Pope, I think we can only conclude that the Vatican is ensnared by a homosexual lobby, and this Pope has caved to them.
Is Catholicism following in the footsteps of Methodism?


14 posted on 09/19/2013 3:02:49 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: SkyPilot

The world would be a better place if people stuck to worshiping God and Jesus, and not Popes.


15 posted on 09/19/2013 3:05:18 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: GreyFriar

good point


16 posted on 09/19/2013 3:05:21 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t need a mere human to redefine the word of God for me.


17 posted on 09/19/2013 3:06:41 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: nickcarraway

Really? Jesuit’s are an order of Catholic Priests who usually teach in schools and colleges...and are liberal.


18 posted on 09/19/2013 3:08:28 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes mandatory ... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

There are some really good Jesuits. But a lot of them don’t or barely consider themselves Catholic.


19 posted on 09/19/2013 3:12:11 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SkyPilot

If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you.

John 15:19


20 posted on 09/19/2013 3:14:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (John 15:19)
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To: Mamzelle

To this time, I’ve sat back and watched/listened.
I must say, your post reflects how I’ve reacting to him.


21 posted on 09/19/2013 3:14:57 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: SkyPilot

Top story on Google News and CBS

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THAT should be a clue right away as to the authenticity of the “reporting.”

LOL...they want so desperately to have us believe that he has a different vision than Benedict or John Paul II...or that he is changing Church teaching.

He lines up perfectly with his predecessors and has not changed any Teaching of the Church.

Unfortunately...some very foolish people believe whatever they hear or read...even if it comes from CBS or any other pathetic source.

Sigh...


22 posted on 09/19/2013 3:18:35 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SkyPilot

An interview translated into English for a handful of Jesuit magazines as reported by the National Catholic Reporter (not Register, the more orthodox of the two) to CBS news?

The jury’s still WAY out on this one. These folks love nothing more to twist everything this Pope says way out of proportion.


23 posted on 09/19/2013 3:25:04 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: darkangel82

Oy vey!

Well. If he could admonish, as he should, as the Catechism allows/instructs, especially in this case, the USCCB for getting into politics in regard to their misguided stance on amnesty (they call it, quaintly, immigration), then he would have credibility.

But for now I do pray to the Blessed mother to appeal to her divine son, for this man to shut


24 posted on 09/19/2013 3:28:55 PM PDT by stanne
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To: svcw

I had high hopes for this man, but it appears he will soon be switching to become an Episcopalian or a Unitarian-Universalist.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 3:28:59 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Life is short. It's even shorter if you suggest going out for pizza on your anniversary" Peter Egan)
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To: SkyPilot

Do not trust the MSM to ever get what the Pope said right. They do not understand the concept of welcoming the sinner so that he may be healed through Christ’s grace and mercy.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 3:29:33 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: rbmillerjr
This Papacy is going to be a disaster.

He's just getting started.

I predict that we will soon be floored at what awful stuff comes out of his mouth in the coming years.

27 posted on 09/19/2013 3:35:23 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Stillwaters

ping


28 posted on 09/19/2013 3:35:47 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: SumProVita; GatorGirl; lastchance; GreyFriar

Thank you all for your reasoned words.


29 posted on 09/19/2013 3:42:57 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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I didn’t like him the first time I laid eyes on him, oh well.
next


30 posted on 09/19/2013 3:43:36 PM PDT by Sophia777
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To: SumProVita

Direct quotes. You should read them.


31 posted on 09/19/2013 3:44:04 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: lastchance

The same is true for many Christians and some Freepers, as well.


32 posted on 09/19/2013 3:44:07 PM PDT by CityCenter (The solution to all problems is spiritual.)
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To: SkyPilot

I’m surprised to hear that “thou shalt not commit adultery” is small minded.


33 posted on 09/19/2013 3:47:35 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Osama Obama Care: A Religion That Will Have You On Your Knees!)
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To: SkyPilot

It appears that soon, very soon the Catholic Church will be supporting gay marriage, free love, abortion and acid trips and socialism, well they already support socialism


34 posted on 09/19/2013 3:48:17 PM PDT by stockpirate (My great, great, great, great, grandfather fought in the Revolution, stand up patriots......)
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To: SumProVita

“I mention to Pope Francis that there are Christians who live in situations that are irregular for the church or in complex situations that represent open wounds. I mention the divorced and remarried, same-sex couples and other difficult situations. What kind of pastoral work can we do in these cases? What kinds of tools can we use?

“We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner,” the pope says, “preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our preaching, every kind of disease and wound. In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.

“A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy. When that happens, the Holy Spirit inspires the priest to say the right thing.

“This is also the great benefit of confession as a sacrament: evaluating case by case and discerning what is the best thing to do for a person who seeks God and grace. The confessional is not a torture chamber, but the place in which the Lord’s mercy motivates us to do better. I also consider the situation of a woman with a failed marriage in her past and who also had an abortion. Then this woman remarries, and she is now happy and has five children. That abortion in her past weighs heavily on her conscience and she sincerely regrets it. She would like to move forward in her Christian life. What is the confessor to do?

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.

“The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow.

“I say this also thinking about the preaching and content of our preaching. A beautiful homily, a genuine sermon must begin with the first proclamation, with the proclamation of salvation. There is nothing more solid, deep and sure than this proclamation. Then you have to do catechesis. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing. The homily is the touchstone to measure the pastor’s proximity and ability to meet his people, because those who preach must recognise the heart of their community and must be able to see where the desire for God is lively and ardent. The message of the Gospel, therefore, is not to be reduced to some aspects that, although relevant, on their own do not show the heart of the message of Jesus Christ.”

From http://www.thinkingfaith.org/articles/20130919_1.htm

We - all who claim to follow Christ - are under attack by homosexuals. The idea that marriage involves more than a right to fun is under heavy attack, and is about to go under. And what does Pope Feel-Good say?

“In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.”

All he had to say was something like, “We love our fellow man and fellow sinners, but we need to tell them the truth - you cannot come to God unless you repent. You must take your sin seriously, because God does. God loves us while we are yet sinners, but He does not love our sin or give it an easy excuse. And no one is truly happy in their sins.”

But that might make some unhappy, so the new Pope won’t tell them the truth. He thinks the Gospel is “Sin on, Brother!”

Modern man is rushing to a hell they don’t believe exists, while worshiping the God of Nike: “Just do it!” And the Pope is content to say, “Yes, do it!”


35 posted on 09/19/2013 3:49:22 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: stockpirate

Most churches will, in the last days


36 posted on 09/19/2013 3:49:29 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Arthurio
The world would be a better place if people stuck to worshiping God and Jesus, and not Popes.

Popes aren't "worshiped".

37 posted on 09/19/2013 3:53:38 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: GeronL

How very, very true. Also, the HCB has a requirement that we start getting the chip implants in 2014.


38 posted on 09/19/2013 3:53:50 PM PDT by stockpirate (My great, great, great, great, grandfather fought in the Revolution, stand up patriots......)
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To: Mr Rogers
I don't think he's saying "Sin on, brother!" But he uses a lot of words and says very little, and he seems to go out of his way to accept the faulty arguments the world proposes. For example:

“A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’

Why did he change the subject, rather than answer the question directly? He seems to be implicitly accepting the proposition that rejecting someone's acts as immoral is rejecting the person himself.

I'm not impressed.

39 posted on 09/19/2013 4:02:05 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t know exactly what Pope Francis is saying, but if the reporting is true, he’s about to make the same mistake as Pope John the 23rd. When you loosen the reins too far on the congregation, a bunch of liberals step in and that’s a recipe for ruin. Pope John the 23rd was trying to let some fresh air into the church. A bunch of liberal people stepped in and started things like guitar and tambourine masses. They changed the cannon of the mass until it was full of niceties, but the regimentation was gone. Then the people started to not attend.

If Pope Francis starts down that same road, he’ll lose more. Please learn from the past, Pope Francis. Hold to the truths of the church. Use common sense. Be conservative. I pray!


40 posted on 09/19/2013 4:03:38 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: SkyPilot

Although I am not Catholic, I have long admired the Catholic Church’s steadfast opposition to Abortion in the face of great opposition, long before Evangelicals picked up the mantle.

Now, that Science and technology are actually affirming the Catholic position with 3D ultrasound and fetal monitoring, it would seem that the new pontiff is calling this heroic stand “small-minded rules”.

If this is true and not a media ruse, it is VERY disturbing.

Pope Francis is, of course, entitled to his opinion, but there is a large group of people who consider his statements to be infallible. What can they do when the statements conflict with centuries of Catholic teaching?

Not to mention their own conscience in the matter.


41 posted on 09/19/2013 4:04:17 PM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: GreyFriar
Remember: Do not trust CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN to give an honest report on anything Christian

AMEN! I've seen the secular media misrepresent the reports from all manner of religious groups.

42 posted on 09/19/2013 4:04:59 PM PDT by cotton
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To: rbmillerjr
Direct quotes.

I don't think he gave the interview in English.

43 posted on 09/19/2013 4:05:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: SkyPilot
The entire interview is available online in English on America Magazine

A long read. Here's the portion being quoted in the MSM with some context:

"I mention to Pope Francis that there are Christians who live in situations that are irregular for the church or in complex situations that represent open wounds. I mention the divorced and remarried, same-sex couples and other difficult situations. What kind of pastoral work can we do in these cases? What kinds of tools can we use?

“We need to proclaim the Gospel on every street corner,” the pope says, “preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing, even with our preaching, every kind of disease and wound. In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.

A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being. In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation. It is necessary to accompany them with mercy. When that happens, the Holy Spirit inspires the priest to say the right thing.

“This is also the great benefit of confession as a sacrament: evaluating case by case and discerning what is the best thing to do for a person who seeks God and grace. The confessional is not a torture chamber, but the place in which the Lord’s mercy motivates us to do better. I also consider the situation of a woman with a failed marriage in her past and who also had an abortion. Then this woman remarries, and she is now happy and has five children. That abortion in her past weighs heavily on her conscience and she sincerely regrets it. She would like to move forward in her Christian life. What is the confessor to do?

“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.

The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. “The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow."




"Dia shábháil ar fad anseo!"

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

44 posted on 09/19/2013 4:05:40 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I don’t know if you remember the old Phil Donahue show, it seems the only scripture that he could quote was “judge not lest ye be judged”. That was the whole Bible for him.


45 posted on 09/19/2013 4:06:22 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: SkyPilot

Am I the only Roman Catholic who can see a MAJOR civil war within the Church??

There are some outstanding traditionalists/conservatives within the Church however the lefties have become very influential.

Perhaps the REAL 3rd secret of Fatima was the Roman Catholic Church being ripped apart by internal strife.


46 posted on 09/19/2013 4:10:28 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: SkyPilot

TheVatican’s gotta generate some more revenue.


47 posted on 09/19/2013 4:11:19 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: FreeReign

“I don’t think he gave the interview in English.”

Neither was Scripture.


48 posted on 09/19/2013 4:12:28 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obam a's Socialist Agenda:)
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To: left that other site
--- but there is a large group of people who consider his statements to be infallible. ---

The pope teaches infallibly regarding faith and morals when he invokes his charism of infalibility. This has only happened a handful of times, at most, in the past 150 years.

Papal Infallibility

49 posted on 09/19/2013 4:15:57 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: ConorMacNessa
“We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.

Except for the occasional outlier, the bishops have been virtually silent on these issues. They are seldom a topic of discussion or homily, and Catholic businesses will now be forced to support them, and now we are being told to shut up about these subjects.

Wow.

50 posted on 09/19/2013 4:16:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (John 15:19)
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